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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2017, 08:55:42 PM »
I wasnt ranking them just said they were really good going back to my original post.

But if i had to id prolly put them ahead of the 02 team and what ever year we were the 11 seed in cleveland n went s16.  Could be wrong.  02 team wasnt all that good apart from Wade.  Good argument to have though
96 team had some really good players n two future NBAers.  Beat some really good teams and had tremendous size n guard play were really solid at every position( thanks to oneil)
If they dont poop the bed against arkansas they are way elevated in the minds of MU fans.  N Arkansas was severly under seeded everyone knew they would beat Penn State.  Arkansas was still a big time program at the time having won the title in 94 and fresh off another final four in 95 and 3 ff in the last 6 years.  Big time talent in fayetville back in those days
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2017, 09:13:12 PM »
I'm not arguing that they'd be good. But I'm arguing that they weren't one of the best teams in the last 25 years. But here's a fun drill, I've listed the 7 teams I argued at were better for sure. Tell me which of there you'd say the 96 team was better than that would move them from middle of the pack to one of the better teams.

96: 23-8


94: 24-9

02: 26-7

03: 27-6

08: 25-10

09: 25-10

12: 27-8

13: 26-9

For sure better than the '02, '08 and '09 teams.   So sixth best team over last 25 years.

Sand Knit is right about this. That was a fun, hard nosed team. 

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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2017, 09:15:11 PM »
For sure better than the '02, '08 and '09 teams.   So sixth best team over last 25 years.

Sand Knit is right about this. That was a fun, hard nosed team.

02 won the same amount of games as 03 in the regular season...

and are we talking 09 pre or post D James going down?
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2017, 09:18:27 PM »
02 won the same amount of games as 03 in the regular season...

and are we talking 09 pre or post D James going down?


Seasons are judged as a whole.

2002 was pretty much all Wade.  Nowhere near as well rounded as '03

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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2017, 09:35:33 PM »
96 team better than the 02 team , remeber that team had harris and others.  Not that great of a team apart from wade.

96 better than the midgets team. Loved that team but 96 better

96 could have played with all those teams they had great size which would have created issues n tremendous guard play.  Hutchins was as clutch a player as ive ever seen.  Big shot? Hutch was stroking it
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2017, 09:39:53 PM »
96 team better than the 02 team , remeber that team had harris and others.  Not that great of a team apart from wade.

96 better than the midgets team. Loved that team but 96 better

96 could have played with all those teams they had great size which would have created issues n tremendous guard play.  Hutchins was as clutch a player as ive ever seen.  Big shot? Hutch was stroking it

Midgets was not a team that I had listed.
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2017, 09:59:11 PM »
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2017, 07:40:40 AM »
95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher.  Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called.  The game hurt.

After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.

I had one long sad train ride back to Connecticut after that one. 
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2017, 09:56:48 AM »
Here's how i judge it...

When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.

1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013

vs.

1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade.  Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2017, 10:12:15 AM »
Here's how i judge it...

When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.

1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013

vs.

1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade.  Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time

No mention of last year or 93?
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2017, 10:13:27 AM »
Here's how i judge it...

When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.

1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013

vs.

1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade.  Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time

This is pretty spot on. I had more belief in 2008, but otherwise I agree.

For me, it's the difference between the "if we get lucky a couple times" like we did in 2011 as opposed to the "this team can actually win some games" like 2003, 2012, and 2013.

This year was definitely hoping to get lucky, but if things break well, 2019 could be a win some games type team.
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #61 on: April 28, 2017, 10:21:44 AM »
Here's how i judge it...

When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.

1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013

vs.

1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade.  Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time


2009?  We were too underhanded and that caused us to struggle leading up to the tournament.  Exact opposite of 1996.

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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2017, 10:52:23 AM »

2009?  We were too underhanded and that caused us to struggle leading up to the tournament.  Exact opposite of 1996.

I still had hope then. All season until DJ's injury, that felt like THE year. Top-10, tops in the Big East. Yes, it all came crashing when James went down, and most of us knew he'd be less than 100% when he came back, but I was still hoping that if we got through the first weekend, maybe the extra week would help his recovery and we'd have a shot at the Final Four.

80% of that season we were legit title contenders. That season is actually what scares me most about 2018-19. On paper, it all looks really rosy, but hinges so much on that one crucial PG.
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« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2017, 11:26:26 AM »
I still had hope then. All season until DJ's injury, that felt like THE year. Top-10, tops in the Big East. Yes, it all came crashing when James went down, and most of us knew he'd be less than 100% when he came back, but I was still hoping that if we got through the first weekend, maybe the extra week would help his recovery and we'd have a shot at the Final Four.

80% of that season we were legit title contenders. That season is actually what scares me most about 2018-19. On paper, it all looks really rosy, but hinges so much on that one crucial PG.

With regards to 2009, I was talking pre James injury.  I thought we were an E8 team.
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2017, 05:29:44 PM »
Here's how i judge it...

When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.

1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013

vs.

1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade.  Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time

We were looking good in 06 until Jarel broke his hand right before the Pitt game. That changed the season.

2008 was a damn good team but Jarel decided to play hero ball down the stretch of regulation against Stanford and future NBA all-star Brook Lopez hit a great shot to win the game.  Stanford had three future NBA players on that team; two of whom were first round picks.  Most painful loss in my MU fandom.

We probably beat Mizzou in 2009 if Buzz hadn't put a 50% Dominic James out there.
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Re: Mike Deane Retrospective
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2017, 05:34:37 PM »
I thought that 2009 team had a great shot at a deep run in the tourney.

23-4, ranked 8th in the country heading into the UConn game that DJ injured his foot.
then facing a tough schedule without DJ, went 2-6 to close out the year.

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« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2017, 08:47:00 PM »
We were looking good in 06 until Jarel broke his hand right before the Pitt game. That changed the season.

2008 was a damn good team but Jarel decided to play hero ball down the stretch of regulation against Stanford and future NBA all-star Brook Lopez hit a great shot to win the game.  Stanford had three future NBA players on that team; two of whom were first round picks.  Most painful loss in my MU fandom.

We probably beat Mizzou in 2009 if Buzz hadn't put a 50% Dominic James out there.

Remeber jerel against villanova? Perhaps the most retarded 30 seconds of any college or even junior high players career on both ends of the court smh
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« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2017, 04:31:44 AM »
Remeber jerel against villanova? Perhaps the most retarded 30 seconds of any college or even junior high players career on both ends of the court smh

Nice.

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« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2017, 06:59:53 AM »
Nice.

Go back to the 1970s, douchebag.
The words people choose to use tell a lot about them and I believe douchebag is appropriate here. Thank you.
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« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2017, 08:54:07 AM »
The things that snowflakes choose to be outraged over is even moreso
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« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2017, 11:01:18 AM »
The things that snowflakes choose to be outraged over is even moreso


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« Reply #71 on: April 29, 2017, 04:30:31 PM »
The things that snowflakes choose to be outraged over is even moreso

I'm pretty sure snowflakes just melt when they come up against adversity. MU82, was calling out someone who said something he thought was wrong. Isn't that the opposite of what a snowflake would do?
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« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2017, 05:35:58 PM »
I'm pretty sure snowflakes just melt when they come up against adversity. MU82, was calling out someone who said something he thought was wrong. Isn't that the opposite of what a snowflake would do?
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« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2017, 06:15:42 PM »
Just another anonymous internet thug.

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« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2017, 08:19:43 PM »
He passed on Wally Szerbiak (sp?) for John Polonowski and Chris Mimh for Greg Clausen. Oof.


Mihm's dad played tennis at Marquette.

I may have gotten the story jumbled in my head over the years, but I think Sczerbiak's dad reached out to Deane and said straight up that Wally wanted to play at MU. Deane passed.

My favorite Deane story, by far, was I heard he went up to a girl at Hegarty's and said, "Roses are red, violets are blue, if you have a fat ass, you go to MU."
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