Mike Deane Retrospective

[Dr. Blackheart]

One could argue that MU's last five coaches hit their high water marks in MKE. Actually, one could argue, all-time, all MU head coaches ever except Rick and Tex hit their high water basketball marks at MU.

Crean is grey but the Final Four and the Big East trumps the B1G championships with the NCAA flat tires... and getting the unceremoniously getting shyt canned as his s parting gift. The jury is still out on Buzz, only because of the years ahead. Deane-o regretted leaving Siena, one gets the feeling, and it was reflected in his recruiting effort.

[Galway Eagle]

One could argue that MU's last five coaches hit their high water marks in MKE. Actually, one could argue, all-time, all MU head coaches ever except Rick and Tex hit their high water basketball marks at MU.

Crean is grey but the Final Four and the Big East trumps the B1G championships with the NCAA flat tires... and getting the unceremoniously getting shyt canned as his s parting gift. The jury is still out on Buzz, only because of the years ahead. Deane-o regretted leaving Siena, one gets the feeling, and it was reflected in his recruiting effort.

If only we got even a bit of Tex and Rick's best coaching... sighed I'd trade Nagle and Hickey for Tex till Al for sure

[Billy Hoyle]

one gets the feeling, and it was reflected in his recruiting effort.

He passed on Wally Szerbiak (sp?) for John Polonowski and Chris Mimh for Greg Clausen. Oof.

Alton Mason kind of broke him. Super talented but couldn't cut it academically and had to leave MU after midterm grades came out. After that he was scared off of recruiting academically risky kids and we got Bart Miller and John Mueller (both wonderful kids and representatives of MU but not D1 players).

[lohaus]

Wow, John Mueller. . . I totally forgot about that kid.  Thanks!

[MUDPT]

Posted in another thread, but the '98 NIT against Minnesota was on Classic last month. Deane took two timeouts right away.  MU blew a late lead and had a Cliff wide open 3 to win at the end.  The '95 NIT championship was also on. You could see the talent difference in those 3 years.  Did Lovette's troubles have anything to do with the bad '99 season, or was Deane already gone?

[hdog1017]

Deane valued consistency, which is why he recruited Oluoma Nnamaka. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Posted in another thread, but the '98 NIT against Minnesota was on Classic last month. Deane took two timeouts right away.  MU blew a late lead and had a Cliff wide open 3 to win at the end.  The '95 NIT championship was also on. You could see the talent difference in those 3 years.  Did Lovette's troubles have anything to do with the bad '99 season, or was Deane already gone?

He was gone. Recruiting was in the tank (Krunti Hester, which he tried to sell as ranked in the top 20 in Indiana), Deane had publicly gone after the St. John's job the previous spring and then tried to get Bill Cords fired. 3 strikes.

Even after beating top 5 Cincy late in the season, Cords said "this changes nothing" and Father Wild was all in on sending Deane packing.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher.  Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called.  The game hurt.

After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.

[Dr. Blackheart]

He was gone. Recruiting was in the tank (Krunti Hester, which he tried to sell as ranked in the top 20 in Indiana), Deane had publicly gone after the St. John's job the previous spring and then tried to get Bill Cords fired. 3 strikes.

Even after beating top 5 Cincy late in the season, Cords said "this changes nothing" and Father Wild was all in on sending Deane packing.

St. John's story. Some big names on their list. To be fair, SJU was the better job at the time being in the Big East.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/top-guys-not-storm-article-1.721442

[The Lens]

95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher.  Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called.  The game hurt.

After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.

That 1996 team was one of the better MU teams of the past 25 years.  Would have loved to play UMass in the S16. 

[Billy Hoyle]

That 1996 team was one of the better MU teams of the past 25 years.  Would have loved to play UMass in the S16.

32% shooting in that Arkansas game. 32% goddamn percent.  Crawford and Pieper were especially horrible that day. Already had a place to stay in Atlanta too. 

[Billy Hoyle]

95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher.  Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called.  The game hurt.

After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.

I'm not sure about that play but it was Faisel Abraham who was called for the foul on Shawn Smith (64% or so FT shooter) with .7 seconds left. We were 6 of 16 from the line in that game and led by 10 in the second half.

We were so ready go to go the Lake too. 

[Galway Eagle]

That 1996 team was one of the better MU teams of the past 25 years.  Would have loved to play UMass in the S16.

According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.

[BM1090]

According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.

Eh, I don't know. I wouldn't use the rankings solely to determine strength of team. That team earned a 4 seed in the tournament so the committee saw them as a top 16 team in the country. We've only had 3 teams earn better seeds since then (2013, 2012, 2013 I believe). Granted, 2009 we would have likely been a 2 seed if James hadn't been hurt, so I'll throw that one in there as well.

[GGGG]

According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.

That team was a four seed and hot as blazes going into the NCAA.  Only games they lost toward the end of the year was at St. Louis (bad loss), and a UC team in the CUSA championship game in overtime.  That UC team went to the E8 that year.  In the semis, they crushed a ranked Memphis team on their home court.

They cruised to an easy first round win then got upset by Arkansas which I had a sinking feeling would happen.  (That Arkansas team beat a #5 and Big Ten champion Penn State team in the first round.  I was praying for Penn State to win that game.)

That was a good Marquette team.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Hang on, if Mike Deane was content with mediocrity and making the tournament only once in a while, than why does MikeDeanesDarkGlasses want Wojo gone so badly, eh? 

[The Lens]

According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.

Crean only had 1 team that was noticeably better.  Of course Buzz had multiple better teams, Buzz is Buzz.

[GGGG]

Crean only had 1 team that was noticeably better.  Of course Buzz had multiple better teams, Buzz is Buzz.

Buzz had only two teams that were markedly better.  2011-12 and 2012-13.  (And yes I know that is multiple.)  His 2011-12 team went further in the tournament, but I would be hard pressed to say that team was "better."

[Galway Eagle]

Buzz had only two teams that were markedly better.  2011-12 and 2012-13.  (And yes I know that is multiple.)  His 2011-12 team went further in the tournament, but I would be hard pressed to say that team was "better."

Come on man 11-12 team was better than the 12-13 team. That team hit 27 wins and did it in a considerably harder way than 96 got to 23.

Crean only had 1 team that was noticeably better.  Of course Buzz had multiple better teams, Buzz is Buzz.

The first Wade team had a better record than the second, they just didn't go as far. I was also including the 07-08 team as they got up to 8th in the country and had a better record than 96 in the best conference in history. So those two and the FF team are the three I was talking about.

[Warrior Code]

That team was a four seed and hot as blazes going into the NCAA.  Only games they lost toward the end of the year was at St. Louis (bad loss), and a UC team in the CUSA championship game in overtime.  That UC team went to the E8 that year.  In the semis, they crushed a ranked Memphis team on their home court.

They cruised to an easy first round win then got upset by Arkansas which I had a sinking feeling would happen.  (That Arkansas team beat a #5 and Big Ten champion Penn State team in the first round.  I was praying for Penn State to win that game.)

That was a good Marquette team.

Wait, in basketball??

[BM1090]

Buzz had only two teams that were markedly better.  2011-12 and 2012-13.  (And yes I know that is multiple.)  His 2011-12 team went further in the tournament, but I would be hard pressed to say that team was "better."

I'm assuming you meant 2010-2011. That team went further in the tournament but was an 11 seed and one of the last teams in.

The 2011-12 team was Buzz's best team, in my opinion even though the 2012-13 team went further int he tournament.

[GGGG]

I'm assuming you meant 2010-2011. That team went further in the tournament but was an 11 seed and one of the last teams in.

Yes sorry.  That's exactly what I meant.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.

They were a 4 seed and for a reason, really good team.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I'm not sure about that play but it was Faisel Abraham who was called for the foul on Shawn Smith (64% or so FT shooter) with .7 seconds left. We were 6 of 16 from the line in that game and led by 10 in the second half.

We were so ready go to go the Lake too. 

Different play in the game

[Galway Eagle]

They were a 4 seed and for a reason, really good team.

I'm not arguing that they'd be good. But I'm arguing that they weren't one of the best teams in the last 25 years. But here's a fun drill, I've listed the 7 teams I argued at were better for sure. Tell me which of there you'd say the 96 team was better than that would move them from middle of the pack to one of the better teams.

96: 23-8


94: 24-9

02: 26-7

03: 27-6

08: 25-10

09: 25-10

12: 27-8

13: 26-9