2 pt Scorers

[Loose Cannon]

Just to help me get thru this dead period, I've been mulling over this Question.

With our 3pt core shooters returning, who will be our Top Two 2pt scorers (Any combination of Short jumpers, Floaters, Lay ups, Put Backs, Dunks and Made 2pt Free Throw.)

I know its really early and most don't have an idea about the new guys, but if you have the time help me out here.  Thanks

[lurch91]

Matt Heldt

Everyone else has 3pt range and ability.  Because of everyone else taking 3 pointers, I would think Matt would lead in ppg from 2pt range.

[Loose Cannon]

Matt Heldt

Everyone else has 3pt range and ability.  Because of everyone else taking 3 pointers, I would think Matt would lead in ppg from 2pt range.

Thanks but I was looking for 2.

[LAMUfan]

Matt Heldt

Everyone else has 3pt range and ability.  Because of everyone else taking 3 pointers, I would think Matt would lead in ppg from 2pt range.

I like Heldt, but this would not be good

[wadesworld]

Cain, Rowsey, Howard, Hauser.

[Clam Crowder]

It will be Haanif at 1 and Heldt/Froling at 2...more likely Froling than Heldt unless Heldt solidifies starter minutes prior to Froling's eligibility

[Loose Cannon]

Cain, Rowsey, Howard, Hauser.

Can you break that down to only 2, Thanks

[Jay Bee]

Haani + Harry, heyna?

[lurch91]

It will be Haanif at 1 and Heldt/Froling at 2...more likely Froling than Heldt unless Heldt solidifies starter minutes prior to Froling's eligibility

I forgot Froling is waiting in the wings.  If I had more faith in Haanif, I would have listed him but we all know "he basically got benched the end of last season".  Here's hoping he figures it out this summer.

[Loose Cannon]

Haani + Harry, heyna?

Thanks

[Newsdreams]

Haani + Harry, heyna?

Same for me

[VegasWarrior77]

Harry & Sacar.

[Loose Cannon]

Harry & Sacar.

Yeah, I'm slightly tilted in this direction.  With Sacar playing the role of the Best player on the opposing team ALL last year and with his High school pedigree, he becomes a valuable teammate. 

[jesmu84]

Yeah, I'm slightly tilted in this direction.  With Sacar playing the role of the Best player on the opposing team ALL last year and with his High school pedigree, he becomes a valuable teammate.

Care to expand?

[Loose Cannon]

Care to expand?

Going on memory here:  Minnesota Mr  Basketball, also I think his HS team won its Conference all 4 years during his time.  But you can check Google or accuracy and other facts.

[BM1090]

Going on memory here:  Minnesota Mr  Basketball, also I think his HS team won its Conference all 4 years during his time.  But you can check Google or accuracy and other facts.

Won state all 4 years, I believe.

[Loose Cannon]

Won state all 4 years, I believe.

 Thanks for that.

[#UnleashSean]

Without looking at stats, I'd have to say Rowsey will be our top 2pt scorer returning.

[jesmu84]

Going on memory here:  Minnesota Mr  Basketball, also I think his HS team won its Conference all 4 years during his time.  But you can check Google or accuracy and other facts.

Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

[wadesworld]

Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

Ethan Happ is okay.  Justin Patton had a decent freshman season.

[DUNKS45]

Sacar and Harry.

[Loose Cannon]

Without looking at stats, I'd have to say Rowsey will be our top 2pt scorer returning.

OK I Need one More.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

There are examples, Wades brought up the two most recent ones. Many are busts. Many develop into solid rotation players and even starters. I'm guessing Sacar ends up becoming a valuable player off the bench next season, maybe 10-15 minutes a game.

[Loose Cannon]

Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

Can you say it plainer, are you implying that accepting to be red shirted might be an indication of having lesser college BB talent.  And maybe not developing better skills during his college career?

[jesmu84]

Can you say it plainer, are you implying that accepting to be red shirted might be an indication of having lesser college BB talent.  And maybe not developing better skills during his college career?

All I was trying to say was that it's pretty rare that players who redshirt for non-medical/transfer reasons turn out to be above-average/great high D1 college players.

Basically, outside of needing to fill out physically (Justin Patton's situation), you're probably taking a redshirt to develop skills to even get playing time.

Further, I don't think pointing out high school accolades/pedigrees has a high correlation with college success in the way you implied.

That said, I hope Sacar is the needle-in-the-haystack.

[tower912]

All I was trying to say was that it's pretty rare that players who redshirt for non-medical/transfer reasons turn out to be above-average/great high D1 college players.

Basically, outside of needing to fill out physically (Justin Patton's situation), you're probably taking a redshirt to develop skills to even get playing time.

Further, I don't think pointing out high school accolades/pedigrees has a high correlation with college success in the way you implied.

That said, I hope Sacar is the needle-in-the-haystack.

Bo Ryan disagrees.

[Loose Cannon]

All I was trying to say was that it's pretty rare that players who redshirt for non-medical/transfer reasons turn out to be above-average/great high D1 college players.

Basically, outside of needing to fill out physically (Justin Patton's situation), you're probably taking a redshirt to develop skills to even get playing time.

Further, I don't think pointing out high school accolades/pedigrees has a high correlation with college success in the way you implied.

That said, I hope Sacar is the needle-in-the-haystack.

OK Thanks

[Jockey]

Froling and either Rowsey or Hauser.

[Loose Cannon]

Froling and either Rowsey or Hauser.

Sam is interesting choice, I thought I seen a few Glimpses of some nice smooth moves to the basket last year.

[jesmu84]

Bo Ryan disagrees.

Ha. Touche.

As a whole, along the high D1 spectrum of players, I think I'm more correct

[Galway Eagle]

Ha. Touche.

As a whole, along the high D1 spectrum of players, I think I'm more correct

Brian Butch

[brewcity77]

Ha. Touche.

As a whole, along the high D1 spectrum of players, I think I'm more correct

I'm becoming less convinced of this. When it's giving a redshirt to simply buy a year of eligibility, I agree. Honestly, I don't even think Bo Ryan used the redshirt well. Look at Kaminsky. That kid had tons of talent and the redshirt year didn't seem to help at all. He still wasn't ready until his junior year. Wisconsin generally wastes redshirts. Guys are no more prepared as redshirt freshman then they would be as sophomores.

But there are programs that do use it well. Creighton, not just with Patton, but Mo Watson. For us, Luke was far more ready to play after a year out, and I think Rowsey made good use as well, stepping in pretty quick. Gonzaga has done wonders with Kelly Olynyk, Nigel Williams-Goss, and others.

I'm hoping Anim will show a big jump. I think if the program has a plan to actually maximize the redshirt by optimizing a physical program and advancing basketball skills without the stress of game performance, it can be a huge benefit.

But for those guys just buying a year? Then it's often wasted on mediocre players.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I'm becoming less convinced of this. When it's giving a redshirt to simply buy a year of eligibility, I agree. Honestly, I don't even think Bo Ryan used the redshirt well. Look at Kaminsky. That kid had tons of talent and the redshirt year didn't seem to help at all. He still wasn't ready until his junior year. Wisconsin generally wastes redshirts. Guys are no more prepared as redshirt freshman then they would be as sophomores.

Big Frank no redshirt, ai-na?

[bilsu]

Harry & Sacar.

I would go with these two.
Sacar in limited playing time as a freshmen was 6 out of 12 on two point shots. It will of been a mistake to redshirt him, if he does not play much this year.

[Loose Cannon]

After reading Big Daddy's post today (Recruiting 4/1/17 Post #7310) I'm changing to Harry and Greg pushing Sacar to third. To me it seems to make the 2 pt scoring contingent Brighter.