JJJ, Luke, KR post grad playing opportunity thread

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

[brewcity77]

Him getting drafted was a pipe dream at best. But Luke put up pretty good numbers at Portsmouth. He's not NBA material but his numbers backed up the fact that he was one of the top offensive seniors in college basketball last season. He was arguably the best true center we have had since Rob Jackson.

I don't think it's arguable at all. Who's even in the conversation, Otule? Burke? Merritt, maybe?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't think it's arguable at all. Who's even in the conversation, Otule? Burke? Merritt, maybe?

Well I think that too. But the guy I'm talking to would argue that he wasn't even the best true center on last year's team!

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I don't think it's arguable at all. Who's even in the conversation, Otule? Burke? Merritt, maybe?

Luke had one good game at Portsmouth.  Other games were bad.
And yes with our scoring punch last year, we were a better team with Heldt who could play a shred or defense n fight for rebounding position.  At least Wojo agreed with me.

[brewcity77]

Luke had one good game at Portsmouth.

Okay, I think we've tried every "nice" way of saying it. You're an idiot. You have no ability to objectively watch a player and judge their contributions. You became blinded to Luke. I don't know, maybe it's jealousy, maybe it's a need to tear others down to make yourself feel good, maybe he stole your girlfriend. But bottom line, your are simply wrong in your assessments of Luke and your blatant stupidity shines through like a blazing orange light of mental mediocrity every time you mention him.

Luke went 105.2/115.4/124.5 ORtg in his three years here. He increased his efficiency every year while also increasing his usage. His worst season in terms of eFG% was better than Davante Gardner's best. He was at worst 11th in the Big East in block percentage, and 2/3 years was top-5.

Was Luke an all-American or superstar? No. Were there some centers in his time better in the league? Sure. But not many, and he's the best we've had other than a one year transfer in over a generation. And frankly, if you look at the numbers and totality of contributions on both ends of the floor, it's not even remotely debatable.

[barfolomew]

Luke had one good game at Portsmouth.  Other games were bad.
And yes with our scoring punch last year, we were a better team with Heldt who could play a shred or defense n fight for rebounding position.  At least Wojo agreed with me.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Okay, I think we've tried every "nice" way of saying it. You're an idiot. You have no ability to objectively watch a player and judge their contributions. You became blinded to Luke. I don't know, maybe it's jealousy, maybe it's a need to tear others down to make yourself feel good, maybe he stole your girlfriend. But bottom line, your are simply wrong in your assessments of Luke and your blatant stupidity shines through like a blazing orange light of mental mediocrity every time you mention him.

Luke went 105.2/115.4/124.5 ORtg in his three years here. He increased his efficiency every year while also increasing his usage. His worst season in terms of eFG% was better than Davante Gardner's best. He was at worst 11th in the Big East in block percentage, and 2/3 years was top-5.

Was Luke an all-American or superstar? No. Were there some centers in his time better in the league? Sure. But not many, and he's the best we've had other than a one year transfer in over a generation. And frankly, if you look at the numbers and totality of contributions on both ends of the floor, it's not even remotely debatable.

Interesting that all the things that you say about me can be said about you as it pertains to his offensive numbers.  Your offense only focus is scary.  You are prolly a really good fantasy player, however, some of us realize that defense is half of the game and that defense wins championships.  You will also notice my post pertained to defense and how MUs season turned on a dime when Wojo realized we needed some in the middle.  Keep referencing ur efg tho

[brewcity77]

Blocks are an offensive stat? Maybe I was giving you too much intellectual credit 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Luke's defense was atrocious. He had decent blocking numbers but his ppp allowed was terrible. Making an argument that Heldt was a better fit for last year's team, I could hear that argument. That is very different from the months of Luke bashing that we heard. Heldt's defensive numbers were better than Luke's but not by nearly enough to make up for the huge discrepancy in their offensive statistics.

[brewcity77]

Luke's defense was atrocious. He had decent blocking numbers but his ppp allowed was terrible. Making an argument that Heldt was a better fit for last year's team, I could hear that argument. That is very different from the months of Luke bashing that we heard. Heldt's defensive numbers were better than Luke's but not by nearly enough to make up for the huge discrepancy in their offensive statistics.

Could you do a breakdown of his sophomore year defense?

[#UnleashSean]

I don't know why you are all still arguing about this. The team played better with heldt. That is something I don't think is really that debatable. Fischer had better offense stats. But I think heldt moved in the offense better.

[Jay Bee]

I don't know why you are all still arguing about this. The team played better with heldt. That is something I don't think is really that debatable. Fischer had better offense stats. But I think heldt moved in the offense better.

It's debatable and you will admit you were wrong

[wadesworld]

I don't know why you are all still arguing about this. The team played better with heldt. That is something I don't think is really that debatable. Fischer had better offense stats. But I think heldt moved in the offense better.

I think the offense seemed to run better when Heldt was inserted into the starting lineup because it was the first time we were seeing our 2 best offensive players on the court together for significant periods of time.  I think it had much, much, much less to do with Matt being in in place of Luke and much, much, much more to do with Rowsey being in in place of Cheatham.

[#UnleashSean]

I think the offense seemed to run better when Heldt was inserted into the starting lineup because it was the first time we were seeing our 2 best offensive players on the court together for significant periods of time.  I think it had much, much, much less to do with Matt being in in place of Luke and much, much, much more to do with Rowsey being in in place of Cheatham.

That could be true. But since heldt started playing real meaningful minutes at the same time I'm not sure we will ever know. Unless someone can get the +/- and efficiency of both Fischer and heldt while both Rowsey and Howard are on the court at the same time.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Luke's defense was atrocious. He had decent blocking numbers but his ppp allowed was terrible. Making an argument that Heldt was a better fit for last year's team, I could hear that argument. That is very different from the months of Luke bashing that we heard. Heldt's defensive numbers were better than Luke's but not by nearly enough to make up for the huge discrepancy in their offensive statistics.

See thats where focusing only on stats runs some if you guys afoul.  Sure matts offense didnt match lukes, while matts defense n rebounding position was superior. 
Matt didnt need to provide the touches could go elsewhere, we had other guys that could score in volumes.  What we needed filled was the gaping hole in the middle.  Wojo did that, i clamored for it for the whole year.  The guys that subtracted matts scoring average from lukes and said we were ten points worse a game, well Brew and others are still saying that.  SMH

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I think the offense seemed to run better when Heldt was inserted into the starting lineup because it was the first time we were seeing our 2 best offensive players on the court together for significant periods of time.  I think it had much, much, much less to do with Matt being in in place of Luke and much, much, much more to do with Rowsey being in in place of Cheatham.

Had a lot to do with the worst division 1 center defensively was not in the game

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

See thats where focusing only on stats runs some if you guys afoul.  Sure matts offense didnt match lukes, while matts defense n rebounding position was superior. 
Matt didnt need to provide the touches could go elsewhere, we had other guys that could score in volumes.  What we needed filled was the gaping hole in the middle.  Wojo did that, i clamored for it for the whole year.  The guys that subtracted matts scoring average from lukes and said we were ten points worse a game, well Brew and others are still saying that.  SMH

Here's where you run afoul. You didn't clamor for Heldt all year. You bashed Luke all year. There's a difference. That's what people are reacting to. If you had said "I think Heldt would be better for this team than Luke because of his defense." That would have been reasonable. Instead you went on rants about how Luke was garbage when that wasn't the case.

[MU82]

Here's where you run afoul. You didn't clamor for Heldt all year. You bashed Luke all year. There's a difference. That's what people are reacting to. If you had said "I think Heldt would be better for this team than Luke because of his defense." That would have been reasonable. Instead you went on rants about how Luke was garbage when that wasn't the case.

Bingo.

But why do you keep feeding this troll?

[MuMark]

Luke should enjoy Spain

https://twitter.com/bigfishy40/status/883788821158146050

[GGGG]

Luke should enjoy Spain

https://twitter.com/bigfishy40/status/883788821158146050

The Canary Islands?  Very nice.

[barfolomew]

Luke should enjoy Spain

https://twitter.com/bigfishy40/status/883788821158146050

Buen suerte, Pescado Grande.

[Loose Cannon]

The Canary Islands?  Very nice.

Nice Landing Spot.

[4everwarriors]

Duz he get payd in bird seed, hey?

[Jay Bee]

Duz he get payd in bird seed, hey?

BETar den man seed ainul?