[Paint Touches] Transfer Tracker

[Herman Cain]

Watt tyme are da naked dancin' girls scheduled ta come thru campus, hey?

I think you posted to the wrong message board. The correct one would be:

http://www.scout.com/college/louisville/forums/2755-the-yum

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Shayok just committed to ISU... of course.

[Herman Cain]

Shayok just committed to ISU... of course.

Keeps with the Marquette West tradition.

[Dawson Rental]

Satisfied? No. Disappointed? Sure. Think Wojo is inadequate, not trying hard enough, and asking "what the hell is Wojo doing?" Not even close.

Again, recruiting grad transfers is not a buffet line. You don't just pick what you want and take it. I promise you that Wojo is putting the full court press on both Cam Johnson and the Rice Russian. He is doing everything he can. Despite that, there is still a chance that both could choose to go elsewhere. Because just about every other high major coach is also putting the full court press and doing everything they can to land them. I'm not sure what it is that you think Wojo isn't doing that he should be doing in order to land a stud grad transfer.

Excellent point.  A related one that should be remembered whenever Wojo is denigrated for losing a recruit or a game - recruiting head coaches is not a buffet line either.

[Dawson Rental]

In simpler terms, MiKyle McIntosh will grad transfer

lol

[MU82]

Shayok just committed to ISU... of course.

Darn. I'd have loved to have seen him in blue and gold. An athletic defensive stopper who also can make shots. He will be more valuable in his one season at Iowa State than Deonte was as a senior, and he would have been hugely valuable here.

Oh well. Next!

Oh, and BTW, fire Wojo.

[HoopsterBC]

Darn. I'd have loved to have seen him in blue and gold. An athletic defensive stopper who also can make shots. He will be more valuable in his one season at Iowa State than Deonte was as a senior, and he would have been hugely valuable here.

Oh well. Next!

Oh, and BTW, fire Wojo.

Never been overly impressed with Shayok, nice player, but nothing special.  Offensively, would have fit Buzz's system perfect, a SF that can not shoot, but tough
defensively.  MU does not have a defensive player like Shayok.  Not sure he even fits, ISU system.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Never been overly impressed with Shayok, nice player, but nothing special.  Offensively, would have fit Buzz's system perfect, a SF that can not shoot, but tough
defensively.  MU does not have a defensive player like Shayok.  Not sure he even fits, ISU system.

I think Shayok is better shooter than his UVA numbers show.

[Herman Cain]

I think Shayok is better shooter than his UVA numbers show.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

I mean, only three guys averaged over 20 minutes.  10 over 10 minutes.  And 8 over 15 minutes.  And they don't score very much.  Not hard to see how a scorer would be held down in that system. 

Look, I don't think Shayok is an NBA prospect or anything.  But I do think he is a pretty good distance shooter that didn't get the opportunity to put many up in UVA's offense.

[HoopsterBC]

I think Shayok is better shooter than his UVA numbers show.

Why do you say that?  He shot from threes 32 percent last year, and averaged about 9 points.  Average player.   Better out there then him, ISU must need a
body, 2 years for 1 playing year?  Not worth it

[MU82]

I think y'all will see a very nice jump in Shayok's offensive game at Iowa State, and he would have done fine offensively here. He is a career 37% 3pt shooter who shot 44% as a soph. He also is a pretty good slasher/scorer. ISU will play him 30+ minutes, he'll defend the opponent's best wing or perimeter player, and he'll score plenty. He would have done the same for us.

Virginia walks the ball up and milks the clock on every possession, and also seriously spreads the minutes around. I don't blame Shayok for leaving.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Why do you say that?  He shot from threes 32 percent last year, and averaged about 9 points.  Average player.   Better out there then him, ISU must need a
body, 2 years for 1 playing year?  Not worth it

See previous post.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why do you say that?  He shot from threes 32 percent last year, and averaged about 9 points.  Average player.   Better out there then him, ISU must need a
body, 2 years for 1 playing year?  Not worth it

This is why traditional stats are very limited. His 9 points a game is much more impressive when you factor in the tempo Virginia plays at, the amount of minutes he played, and how deep of a rotation Virginia had. His 9 points a game was 2nd highest on the team and his ppp (points per possession) was in the "Very Good" range per Synergy. Too lazy to run the numbers on all of the players but I'd be willing to bet that he led the team in ppp.

He also shot 44% from three as Sophomore as MU82 pointed out. Not unreasonable to think that he could end up in the high 30s for his final year. I am confident that Shayok will have a very nice final year in Ames.

As an aside, I'm very curious to see how Iowa State proceeds from here. Prohm has done fine with Hoiberg's leftovers. I wouldn't say he under or over achieved to this point. But he's graduating 6 players this offseason. Those 6 include 4 starters, the first guy off the bench, and the last guy in the rotation. It also includes the top 4 scorers (and 5 of the top 6), the top 5 rebounders, the top 4 assistmen, the top 4 thieves (and 5 of the top 6), 4 of the top 5 shot blockers, and the top 3 three point shooters (and 4 out of the top 5). That's a lot to recover from. I think they drop out of the tournament picture for at least a season.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Shayok has never made more than 19 threes in a season. Never attempted more than 58 in a season. Low volume three point shooter.

More of a slasher. High usage rate at 27%. Will his usage rate stay that high at Iowa State? Possible that he has a lower usage rate. That would mitigate the faster tempo. Total shot attempts might stay the same, which could keep him around 9-10 PPG. Keep the usage rate, and faster tempo leads to more shots and a uptick in PPG.

Biggest value though is on defense. D rating last year was 92.2 while he had 100.4 O rating.

[barfolomew]

As an aside, I'm very curious to see how Iowa State proceeds from here. Prohm has done fine with Hoiberg's leftovers. I wouldn't say he under or over achieved to this point. But he's graduating 6 players this offseason. Those 6 include 4 starters, the first guy off the bench, and the last guy in the rotation. It also includes the top 4 scorers (and 5 of the top 6), the top 5 rebounders, the top 4 assistmen, the top 4 thieves (and 5 of the top 6), 4 of the top 5 shot blockers, and the top 3 three point shooters (and 4 out of the top 5). That's a lot to recover from. I think they drop out of the tournament picture for at least a season.

This is one of the reasons I was glad about Shayok's commitment. They may not be able to afford two transfers who sit out next season, and so this might make Morrow less of an option for them.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is one of the reasons I was glad about Shayok's commitment. They may not be able to afford two transfers who sit out next season, and so this might make Morrow less of an option for them.

Maybe, but they have three schollies left for next season. I doubt they are getting three more players who are eligible for the fall. Probably plenty of room for Morrow.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Maybe, but they have three schollies left for next season. I doubt they are getting three more players who are eligible for the fall. Probably plenty of room for Morrow.

Three? Isn't it just 2?

Edit: Nevermind, you were referring to ISU.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/

Updated. Influx is slowing down but still since great names available

[wadesworld]

PS the Lawson brothers have a 3rd brother who is a top 20 recruit in the class of 2019 and a 4th brother who is ranked in the top 10 of the class of 2021 (way too early to be worth anything, I get that, but still chances are he'll be a top recruit).  So even more reason you take those 2 had they said they were interested in coming to MU (which they obviously never were, but just theoretically).

Oh and their cousin is a top 10 recruit in the class of 2019.

So Kansas got the 2 brothers through the transfer market and I'd be willing to bet they'll get 3 other top 20 recruits as a result if they want them...

I know people have brought up "drama" surrounding the Lawsons and I don't know what all that includes, but the fact of the matter is Tubby Smith came in and demoted the father from his position as one of the assistants at Memphis and didn't treat him very well.  So the father looked into other options, and in turn so did the brothers.  If that's "drama" or "chemistry issues," count me in.  From what I can tell, Tubby is more at fault than the Lawsons.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

PS the Lawson brothers have a 3rd brother who is a top 20 recruit in the class of 2019 and a 4th brother who is ranked in the top 10 of the class of 2021 (way too early to be worth anything, I get that, but still chances are he'll be a top recruit).  So even more reason you take those 2 had they said they were interested in coming to MU (which they obviously never were, but just theoretically).

Oh and their cousin is a top 10 recruit in the class of 2019.

So Kansas got the 2 brothers through the transfer market and I'd be willing to bet they'll get 3 other top 20 recruits as a result if they want them...

I know people have brought up "drama" surrounding the Lawsons and I don't know what all that includes, but the fact of the matter is Tubby Smith came in and demoted the father from his position as one of the assistants at Memphis and didn't treat him very well.  So the father looked into other options, and in turn so did the brothers.  If that's "drama" or "chemistry issues," count me in.  From what I can tell, Tubby is more at fault than the Lawsons.

See below link.  Certainly not that big of a deal, but does show a lack of class.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/kj-lawson-snapchat-video-f-tubby-smith-memphis-dedric-lawson-transfer-kansas/1gopht9mx7w7p1127tuf93yb2a

[wadesworld]

See below link.  Certainly not that big of a deal, but does show a lack of class.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/kj-lawson-snapchat-video-f-tubby-smith-memphis-dedric-lawson-transfer-kansas/1gopht9mx7w7p1127tuf93yb2a

Yeah not a good look but it's a college kid whose father was demoted from his assistant coach position to make way for an entire staff of assistant coaches that combined had gotten fewer top 50 recruits to sign for their programs than his dad had for Memphis himself.  Tubby has completely ruined the Memphis program single handedly.  Everyone transferred out to the point that they return a total of 3 players next year, and their recruiting class is as bad as it's ever been at Memphis.

If Tubby comes in and just leaves Mr. Lawson at the position he had been holding there's no transferring out for the Lawsons, no snapchat video, and probably 3 McDonald's AA recruits coming in the future.  Instead, Tubby will be out of a job 3 years from now.

[BM1090]

Yeah not a good look but it's a college kid whose father was demoted from his assistant coach position to make way for an entire staff of assistant coaches that combined had gotten fewer top 50 recruits to sign for their programs than his dad had for Memphis himself.  Tubby has completely ruined the Memphis program single handedly.  Everyone transferred out to the point that they return a total of 3 players next year, and their recruiting class is as bad as it's ever been at Memphis.

If Tubby comes in and just leaves Mr. Lawson at the position he had been holding there's no transferring out for the Lawsons, no snapchat video, and probably 3 McDonald's AA recruits coming in the future.  Instead, Tubby will be out of a job 3 years from now.

Maybe there is a reason he didn't do that.

Maybe he realized the kids have character issues and wants to build his own culture.

[EaglesNest]

Jaaron Simmons, a grad transfer from Ohio, is going to play for Michigan

[GoldenDieners32]

Charlie Moore cal transfer is going to kansas