Fire Coach K

[wadesworld]

What kind of team gives up over 80 points to an inept offense like South Carolina?  Duke needs to get some athletes, only an unathletic team could possibly give up points to that team.  What kind of coach gets so outcoached in the second half by Frank Martin?  Who loses to a team that hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game in 44 years?  This is an embarrassment.  Fire the guy.

[Marqus Howard]

Send him to prison.

[forgetful]

Giving up 65 points in a half to that crappy offense.  Coach K needs to hire a defensive specialist ASAP.

Screw it.  They just need to fire the whole lot and hire Stan the Man.

[dgies9156]

Makes SC look better than we thought.

Those guys peaked at just the right time.

[wadesworld]

Makes SC look better than we thought.

Those guys Cocks peaked at just the right time.

FIFY.

[DJO's Jaw]

He only wins the easy tournaments

[jutaw22mu]

Congrats to them!  I hope they keep winning.

[GoldenZebra]

haha classic!

[mayfairskatingrink]

Now that's a rebuild.

We'll see if Wojo does that in the same timeframe.

[forgetful]

Honestly, if the officials stay on their side and do not call all the reaches, they are the type of team that makes the unexpected final 4 run.

[jesmu84]

Now that's a rebuild.

We'll see if Wojo does that in the same timeframe.

Ah. Thanks. Was waiting to see when the goalposts would shift

[GoldenDieners32]

Who is going to beat bucky now

[GooooMarquette]

Who is going to beat bucky now

Gators....

[GoldenDieners32]

Gators....

Hopefully

[cheese ball chaser]

Who is going to beat bucky now

I mean, SC looks absolutely dirty right now. If I'm Bucky, not sure I would want to face them eventually...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

FIFY.

[Big Papi]

What kind of team gives up over 80 points to an inept offense like South Carolina?  Duke needs to get some athletes, only an unathletic team could possibly give up points to that team.  What kind of coach gets so outcoached in the second half by Frank Martin?  Who loses to a team that hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game in 44 years?  This is an embarrassment.  Fire the guy.

Well, the five NCAA Championships, 12 Final Fours, 12 ACC regular season titles, and 14 ACC Tournament championships probably gives him some slack. 

[GooooMarquette]

Well, the five NCAA Championships, 12 Final Fours, 12 ACC regular season titles, and 14 ACC Tournament championships probably gives him some slack.

I think his point is that SC is playing very well right now...regardless of who they're playing against.

[wadesworld]

lol have never seen this. That's great.

[wildbillsb]

What kind of team gives up over 80 points to an inept offense like South Carolina?  Duke needs to get some athletes, only an unathletic team could possibly give up points to that team.  What kind of coach gets so outcoached in the second half by Frank Martin?  Who loses to a team that hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game in 44 years?  This is an embarrassment.  Fire the guy.

Beautiful!  +1000!!!

[wildbillsb]

I think his point is that SC is playing very well right now...regardless of who they're playing against.

Ya think?

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Now this is my kind of post! Bravo!

[fjm]

Haha. This was solid. Well done.

[MU82]

Well, the five NCAA Championships, 12 Final Fours, 12 ACC regular season titles, and 14 ACC Tournament championships probably gives him some slack.

Apparently understanding sarcasm is a dying art.

I guess wades shoulda put it in teal and surrounded the entire post with gold and silver stars.

[Eldon]

What kind of team gives up over 80 points to an inept offense like South Carolina?  Duke needs to get some athletes, only an unathletic team could possibly give up points to that team.  What kind of coach gets so outcoached in the second half by Frank Martin?  Who loses to a team that hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game in 44 years?  This is an embarrassment.  Fire the guy.

[TallTitan34]

Still can't believe a #7 seed got a home game over a #2 seed.

[MU82]

Still can't believe a #7 seed got a home game over a #2 seed.

Yep. I'm still trying to figure out if Frank Martin has naked photos of Mark Hollis.

Of course, the games would have been in Greensboro - basically a home game for the Dookies - had NC legislators not made discrimination mandatory a year ago this month.

[1SE]

Don't know how to quote from old thread into new thread, but you can't deny Coach K underperforms in the tourney, or at the very least they have been systematically over-seeded. I'd take the *Duke* program in a heartbeat, but K doesn't have a great NCAA track record of success.

Quote from: tower912 on January 27, 2016, 05:08:33 AM
Do you know anything about basketball?

Do you know anything about being an unbiased observer?  Listen - Coach K is a phenomenal coach and anyone anywhere would be thrilled with Duke's success.  That doesn't mean they still haven't under-performed RELATIVE TO EXPECTATIONS.  Just look at a very simple seed-based analysis - over the last 15 17 years they've overachieved relative to seed thrice (the three national championships), been on the seed expectation twicethrice, and under-performed 1011 times.  Again - The last 25 years of Duke basketball have been amazing in their consistency and success, but it's not a crazy argument to say they could/should have achieved more.

But then again I'm talking to the guy that will be happy if we make the NIT again by 2020.

2017 2 Second Round UNDER
2016 4 Sweet 16 ON
2015   1   -   National Championship    OVER
2014   3   26-9   First Round   UNDER
2013   2   30-6   Elite Eight   ON
2012   2   27-7   First Round   UNDER
2011   1   32-5   Sweet 16   UNDER
2010   1   35-5   National Championship   OVER
2009   2   30-7   Sweet 16   UNDER
2008   2   28-6   Second Round   UNDER
2007   6   22-11   First Round   UNDER
2006   1   31-4   Sweet 16   UNDER
2005   1   27-6   Sweet 16   UNDER
2004   1   31-6   Final Four   ON
2003   3   26-7   Sweet 16   UNDER
2002   1   31-4   Sweet 16   UNDER
2001   1   35-4   National Championship   OVER
2000   1   29-5   Sweet 16   UNDER

[1SE]

Don't know how to quote from old thread into new thread, but you can't deny Coach K underperforms in the tourney, or at the very least they have been systematically over-seeded. I'd take the *Duke* program in a heartbeat, but K doesn't have a great NCAA track record of success.

If course I'd be willing to put up with lots of underperformance if we averaged a National Championship every 6 years... 

[MU82]

Don't know how to quote from old thread into new thread, but you can't deny Coach K underperforms in the tourney, or at the very least they have been systematically over-seeded. I'd take the *Duke* program in a heartbeat, but K doesn't have a great NCAA track record of success.

Hmmm.

Maybe it all just means that it's hard as heck to win a national title - or really to win multiple games in any NCAA tournament.

[tower912]

And coach Izzo.    What kind of coach lets a close game get away from him in the last 10 minutes?

[wadesworld]

Don't know how to quote from old thread into new thread, but you can't deny Coach K underperforms in the tourney, or at the very least they have been systematically over-seeded. I'd take the *Duke* program in a heartbeat, but K doesn't have a great NCAA track record of success.

How many coaches have an NCAA Tournament record that is better than their normal seeding suggests it should be?

[VegasWarrior77]

ESPN Stats & Info‏Verified account @ESPNStatsInfo  5h5 hours ago
South Carolina Offense vs. Duke
                1st Half     2nd Half
Points          23           65
FG              7-35         20-28


ESPN Stats & Info‏Verified account @ESPNStatsInfo  7h7 hours ago
The Big East has its 7th-place finisher in the Sweet 16 (Xavier)
The ACC had its tournament champion eliminated in Round of 32 (Duke)

[Dawson Rental]

How do you put images in teal?

Because you couldn't possibily be saying that making a point about how Duke's loss should put into perspective the possible unfairness of the criticism leveled at Marquette's head coach by some on this board isn't germane to Marquette basketball.  Right?

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Yep. I'm still trying to figure out if Frank Martin has naked photos of Mark Hollis.

Of course, the games would have been in Greensboro - basically a home game for the Dookies - had NC legislators not made discrimination mandatory a year ago this month.

My friends and I joked about this all week. The games were moved out of North Carolina to to the progressive bastion of South Carolina!

[Dawson Rental]

My friends and I joked about this all week. The games were moved out of North Carolina to to the progressive bastion of South Carolina!

Hey, having basketball teams from the Carolinas playing their tournament games in the Carolinas is heritage, not hate.

[MU82]

My friends and I joked about this all week. The games were moved out of North Carolina to to the progressive bastion of South Carolina!

It is amazing.

When we moved to Charlotte in 2010, everything we heard was that it was epicenter of the progressive "New South." Within two years, it had gotten turned on its head. And now it's losing events, jobs and businesses to effen South Cackilacky.

Racist yokels raised a confederate flag high atop the parking garage overlooking the arena yesterday. Beautiful.

[lurch91]

My friends and I joked about this all week. The games were moved out of North Carolina to to the progressive bastion of South Carolina!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/protesters-fly-confederate-flag-next-to-ncaa-tournament-arena-in-greenville-190223294.html

Always fun in the South.....

[Big Papi]

Apparently understanding sarcasm is a dying art.

I guess wades shoulda put it in teal and surrounded the entire post with gold and silver stars.

I understand sarcasm very well and what he was saying.  Our defense has sucked ALL YEAR.  There is no debating that although the original post was trying to minimalize our shortcomings by saying hey look SC scored a bunch of points on Coach K.  Frankly, I don't care.  Our defense was atrocious and needs to be fixed next year so we shall see if Wojo has the ability to do that.

If anything, there were 2 things that went South Carolina's way this tournament. 
#1 They were a 7 seed and yet received home games in the first two rounds.
#2 They played us right before they played Duke in a very short turnaround.  Similar systems albeit with different players.  South Carolina didn't have to adjust nearly as much as other teams had to between games 1 and 2.  Kudos to them for advancing.

[wadesworld]

I understand sarcasm very well and what he was saying.  Our defense has sucked ALL YEAR.  There is no debating that although the original post was trying to minimalize our shortcomings by saying hey look SC scored a bunch of points on Coach K.  Frankly, I don't care.  Our defense was atrocious and needs to be fixed next year so we shall see if Wojo has the ability to do that.

If anything, there were 2 things that went South Carolina's way this tournament. 
#1 They were a 7 seed and yet received home games in the first two rounds.
#2 They played us right before they played Duke in a very short turnaround.  Similar systems albeit with different players.  South Carolina didn't have to adjust nearly as much as other teams had to between games 1 and 2.  Kudos to them for advancing.

I said nothing about our defense this year, nor did I imply anything about it.  With 21 minutes left in the Duke South Carolina game we had posters here still crying about how we could possibly let such a horrendous offensive team score so many points on us, just look at the total domination of Duke's athletes.  Well, like is often the case at MUScoop, those posters spoke with a lot of game left.  Those superior Duke athletes gave up nearly the same amount of points as our slow footed, small jumping squad.

Essentially, respect the process.

[onepost]

How many coaches have an NCAA Tournament record that is better than their normal seeding suggests it should be?

Given that his Winthrop and Wichita State teams have essentially never had high seeds, Gregg Marshall's now 11-13 record would be my call here.

[GooooMarquette]

I said nothing about our defense this year, nor did I imply anything about it.  With 21 minutes left in the Duke South Carolina game we had posters here still crying about how we could possibly let such a horrendous offensive team score so many points on us, just look at the total domination of Duke's athletes.  Well, like is often the case at MUScoop, those posters spoke with a lot of game left.  Those superior Duke athletes gave up nearly the same amount of points as our slow footed, small jumping squad.

Essentially, respect the process.

Your post echoes my thoughts exactly.  I wasn't commenting on or disputing MU's defensive needs - I was commenting on the fact that MU and Duke had extremely similar results against a SC team that was playing in front of a home crowd, and getting hot at the right time.  In fact, the games were remarkably similar despite the undeniable fact that Duke's defense is generally much better than MU's. 

[mayfairskatingrink]

Yep. I'm still trying to figure out if Frank Martin has naked photos of Mark Hollis.

Of course, the games would have been in Greensboro - basically a home game for the Dookies - had NC legislators not made discrimination mandatory a year ago this month.

Why the idiotic liberal political commentary?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Why the idiotic liberal political commentary?

What a surprise coming from you

[tower912]

Why the idiotic liberal political commentary?

Well, it least you didn't post something else stupid about Wojo.    I suppose this is better. 

[MU82]

Why the idiotic liberal political commentary?

Facts aren't liberal.

The games would have been in Greensboro.

Had yesterday's game been in Greensboro, Duke, not S. Carolina, would have been the de facto home team.

NC legislators did enact a piece of legislation that by definition discriminates against a group of individuals.

#actualfacts

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why the idiotic liberal political commentary?

I wouldn't call it political commentary and I certainly wouldn't call it idiotic. It's a statement of fact. North Carolina had the game. They passed a law that discriminates against trans people. In response, the NCAA took the game away from them.

The law discriminates against a specific group of people. That is a fact. It becomes political commentary when you start debating whether it is right or wrong to discriminate against trans people or if some greater good is served that is worth discriminating against trans people.

[TallTitan34]

It really doesn't matter where the game was suppose to be held.  The committee knew it was in South Carolina and put South Carolina there.  They could have been placed in another region. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Facts aren't liberal.

The games would have been in Greensboro.

Had yesterday's game been in Greensboro, Duke, not S. Carolina, would have been the de facto home team.

NC legislators did enact a piece of legislation that by definition discriminates against a group of individuals.

#actualfacts

It's so much easier when you can make up whatever you want to believe, call them alternative facts, and then believe wholeheartedly that they are true.

Personally, I really enjoyed MU's wins over SC and Duke and look forward seeing them perform in the S16.
#alternativetournament

[MU82]

It's so much easier when you can make up whatever you want to believe, call them alternative facts, and then believe wholeheartedly that they are true.

Personally, I really enjoyed MU's wins over SC and Duke and look forward seeing them perform in the S16.
#alternativetournament

I can't wait to watch MU in the Alternative Sweet Sixteen (aka ASS)!

[1SE]

How many coaches have an NCAA Tournament record that is better than their normal seeding suggests it should be?

Would be interesting metric to compare across coaches over time and (I think) the global average is performing on expectation (but maybe not quite - a trickier problem than it seems on the surface and I don't want to think through it right now) but just for a local reference with the Buzzard... (3 on expectation, 2 over achieved, 3 underachieved) - so 5/8 on expectation or better compared to 6/17 for K since 2000. Listen, K will go down as one of the greatest to ever coach the game but all I'm saying is that a Duke fan could make a reasonable and evidence-based case for disappointment.

2013   3  Elite Eight   OVER
2012   3  Sweet 16   ON
2011   11  Sweet 16   OVER
2010   6  First Round   UNDER
2009   6  Second Round   ON
2008   6  Second Round  ON
2007   8  First Round   UNDER
2006   7  First Round   UNDER

[warriorfred]

Why the idiotic liberal political commentary?

Agree.  Take it to the Superbar.

[wadesworld]

Would be interesting metric to compare across coaches over time and (I think) the global average is performing on expectation (but maybe not quite - a trickier problem than it seems on the surface and I don't want to think through it right now) but just for a local reference with the Buzzard... (3 on expectation, 2 over achieved, 3 underachieved) - so 5/8 on expectation or better compared to 6/17 for K since 2000. Listen, K will go down as one of the greatest to ever coach the game but all I'm saying is that a Duke fan could make a reasonable and evidence-based case for disappointment.

2013   3  Elite Eight   OVER
2012   3  Sweet 16   ON
2011   11  Sweet 16   OVER
2010   6  First Round   UNDER
2009   6  Second Round   ON
2008   6  Second Round  ON
2007   8  First Round   UNDER
2006   7  First Round   UNDER

It's a lot easier to perform at or above expectation when your expectation is pretty mediocre. It's a lot harder to do it when your "expectation" is Elite 8 or better.

[MU82]

It's a lot easier to perform at or above expectation when your expectation is pretty mediocre. It's a lot harder to do it when your "expectation" is Elite 8 or better.

Yep.

I invest in stocks. Often, when a company underperforms for many years and then finally has a decent - but certainly not great - earnings report, its price will zoom up by several percent in one session. Conversely, when a company that has been kickin' arse for a long time has a very good - but not arse-kickin' - earnings report, its price will plummet.

It's all about expectations.

[naginiF]

Yep.

I invest in stocks. Often, when a company underperforms for many years and then finally has a decent - but certainly not great - earnings report, its price will zoom up by several percent in one session. Conversely, when a company that has been kickin' arse for a long time has a very good - but not arse-kickin' - earnings report, its price will plummet.

It's all about expectations.

+141.42

[Dr. Blackheart]

Yep.

I invest in stocks. Often, when a company underperforms for many years and then finally has a decent - but certainly not great - earnings report, its price will zoom up by several percent in one session. Conversely, when a company that has been kickin' arse for a long time has a very good - but not arse-kickin' - earnings report, its price will plummet.

It's all about expectations.

It's all about when to buy and sell.

[MU82]

+141.42

Made me laugh out loud.

Even Smuggles might chuckle if he sees it.

[1SE]

Don't know how to quote from old thread into new thread, but you can't deny Coach K underperforms in the tourney, or at the very least they have been systematically over-seeded. I'd take the *Duke* program in a heartbeat, but K doesn't have a great NCAA track record of success.

Coach K now underperformed relative to seed 13 times since 2000 (on seed 4 times,  over 3 times).

This argument has always been half teal/tounge-in-cheek, and the probability of underperforming relative to seed is much higher than overperforming when you've been a 1 seed 10/20 times and a 2 seed 6 times (that's crazy - a 1 or 2 seed in 80% of the tourneys over the past two decades - amazing) but, interestingly, when K has been seeded 2 or worse in the past 20 years Duke has NEVER overperformed to seed.

Duke is hands-down the best program of the past two decades. But one could argue others have been better tourney coaches than K. K recruits phenomenal talent, and that talent generally performs to/below expectations. Everything except the "pehnomenal" in that sentence sounds familiar...

2019   1 Elite Eight UNDER
2018   2 Elite Eight ON
2017   2 Second Round UNDER
2016   4 Sweet 16 ON
2015   1   -   National Championship    OVER
2014   3   26-9   First Round   UNDER
2013   2   30-6   Elite Eight   ON
2012   2   27-7   First Round   UNDER
2011   1   32-5   Sweet 16   UNDER
2010   1   35-5   National Championship   OVER
2009   2   30-7   Sweet 16   UNDER
2008   2   28-6   Second Round   UNDER
2007   6   22-11   First Round   UNDER
2006   1   31-4   Sweet 16   UNDER
2005   1   27-6   Sweet 16   UNDER
2004   1   31-6   Final Four   ON
2003   3   26-7   Sweet 16   UNDER
2002   1   31-4   Sweet 16   UNDER
2001   1   35-4   National Championship   OVER
2000   1   29-5   Sweet 16   UNDER

[muguru]

Coach K now underperformed relative to seed 13 times since 2000 (on seed 4 times,  over 3 times).

This argument has always been half teal/tounge-in-cheek, and the probability of underperforming relative to seed is much higher than overperforming when you've been a 1 seed 10/20 times and a 2 seed 6 times (that's crazy - a 1 or 2 seed in 80% of the tourneys over the past two decades - amazing) but, interestingly, when K has been seeded 2 or worse in the past 20 years Duke has NEVER overperformed to seed.

Duke is hands-down the best program of the past two decades. But one could argue others have been better tourney coaches than K. K recruits phenomenal talent, and that talent generally performs to/below expectations. Everything except the "pehnomenal" in that sentence sounds familiar...

2019   1 Elite Eight UNDER
2018   2 Elite Eight ON
2017   2 Second Round UNDER
2016   4 Sweet 16 ON
2015   1   -   National Championship    OVER
2014   3   26-9   First Round   UNDER
2013   2   30-6   Elite Eight   ON
2012   2   27-7   First Round   UNDER
2011   1   32-5   Sweet 16   UNDER
2010   1   35-5   National Championship   OVER
2009   2   30-7   Sweet 16   UNDER
2008   2   28-6   Second Round   UNDER
2007   6   22-11   First Round   UNDER
2006   1   31-4   Sweet 16   UNDER
2005   1   27-6   Sweet 16   UNDER
2004   1   31-6   Final Four   ON
2003   3   26-7   Sweet 16   UNDER
2002   1   31-4   Sweet 16   UNDER
2001   1   35-4   National Championship   OVER
2000   1   29-5   Sweet 16   UNDER

In reading their board yesterday after the game, many are seriously ready for a change. Think his one and done model fails too often in the tourney and that the game has passed him by.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

In reading their board yesterday after the game, many are seriously ready for a change. Think his one and done model fails too often in the tourney and that the game has passed him by.

Their best offense was "give it to Zion" all year.  And they went away from it when it mattered most. 

[LoudMouth]

In reading their board yesterday after the game, many are seriously ready for a change. Think his one and done model fails too often in the tourney and that the game has passed him by.

lol yes they are as knowledgeable as you! When Duke gives him the boot maybe Wojo will hire him on as an assistant

[rocky_warrior]

In reading their board yesterday after the game, many are seriously ready for a change. Think his one and done model fails too often in the tourney and that the game has passed him by.

Was thinking about this during and after the game.  You have a team with  likely 4 2019 NBA picks, 2 of them likely lottery, and you can't dominate?  That seems disappointing to me.

[MU82]

Duke couldn't get the ball back at the end because they only had committed 4 fouls in the second half. So they faced the unenviable task of having to commit 3 fouls in less than 7 seconds just to send MSU to the line for a 1-and-1.

When I was a middle school head coach, I used to get really nervous if we only had a few fouls in a close game and less than 2 minutes were left. I'd tell my players to get really aggressive trying to steal the ball. If they got the steal, great. If not, we'd commit a foul so we'd get closer to putting the other team in the bonus. The same thing happened a couple times this season (when I was a high school assistant). I'd tell our head coach that we shouldn't be shy about committing a couple of fouls because we might need our opponent to be in the 1-and-1 in the final seconds; he agreed.

Maybe K or his assistants said just that to his guys with a few minutes left and they didn't execute, or maybe the refs let them get away with a few slaps or whatever.

I guess it's just another sign of me being a better coach than K - ha!

[Norm]

Maybe K or his assistants said just that to his guys with a few minutes left and they didn't execute, or maybe the refs let them get away with a few slaps or whatever.

Yeah, they could have easily called about 4 fouls on Zion alone in the 2nd half that they let go.

[Nukem2]

Was thinking about this during and after the game.  You have a team with  likely 4 2019 NBA picks, 2 of them likely lottery, and you can't dominate?  That seems disappointing to me.

They are still 18 or 19 year old freshmen who make mistakes even if they have elite athleticism, etc.

[MU82]

Yeah, they could have easily called about 4 fouls on Zion alone in the 2nd half that they let go.

I trust that's true. We actually had our team end-of-season dinner last night and I was only able to watch bits and pieces of the game.

[CTWarrior]

Duke couldn't get the ball back at the end because they only had committed 4 fouls in the second half. So they faced the unenviable task of having to commit 3 fouls in less than 7 seconds just to send MSU to the line for a 1-and-1.

When I was a middle school head coach, I used to get really nervous if we only had a few fouls in a close game and less than 2 minutes were left. I'd tell my players to get really aggressive trying to steal the ball. If they got the steal, great. If not, we'd commit a foul so we'd get closer to putting the other team in the bonus. The same thing happened a couple times this season (when I was a high school assistant). I'd tell our head coach that we shouldn't be shy about committing a couple of fouls because we might need our opponent to be in the 1-and-1 in the final seconds; he agreed.

Maybe K or his assistants said just that to his guys with a few minutes left and they didn't execute, or maybe the refs let them get away with a few slaps or whatever.

I guess it's just another sign of me being a better coach than K - ha!

I started wondering about Coach K when they lost to Lehigh several years back in the first round.  It was a close game (Duke up 2 at the half) and Lehigh had no real size.  I figured Duke would just pound it inside and bludgeon Lehigh in the second half, but instead they just kept chucking threes.  The way I remember it the Plumlees scored at will on those rare occasions they got the ball and Doc Rivers' kid and Steph Curry's brother missed about 100 3s each.  Of course he's a great coach, but even great coaches can have bad days.

[brewcity77]

Yeah, they could have easily called about 4 fouls on Zion alone in the 2nd half that they let go.

It felt rather ironic that at the end, Duke couldn't just put MSU on the line because the refs hadn't called enough fouls on them throughout the half. Not only did MSU get the sideline out-of-bounds because the refs didn't blow whistles on Duke, but had they fouled Winston, it just would've been another out of bounds because Duke was still only on 4 fouls. MSU had multiple opportunities coming to bleed clock before it went to the 1-and-1.

[rocky_warrior]

Duke couldn't get the ball back at the end because they only had committed been called for 4 fouls in the second half.

Fixed, for accuracy

[MU82]

Fixed, for accuracy

Thanks. That's why you get the big bux, rocky!

It felt rather ironic that at the end, Duke couldn't just put MSU on the line because the refs hadn't called enough fouls on them throughout the half. Not only did MSU get the sideline out-of-bounds because the refs didn't blow whistles on Duke, but had they fouled Winston, it just would've been another out of bounds because Duke was still only on 4 fouls. MSU had multiple opportunities coming to bleed clock before it went to the 1-and-1.

Yep.

[1SE]

Was thinking about this during and after the game.  You have a team with  likely 4 2019 NBA picks, 2 of them likely lottery, and you can't dominate?  That seems disappointing to me.

Right - I mean building a program where you can recruit and field a full NBA roster every year is an amazing accomplishment, but really shouldn’t an NBA team go 40-0 in the NCAA? It would almost be like Marquette being in the WIAA.

[Loose Cannon]

Right - I mean building a program where you can recruit and field a full NBA roster every year is an amazing accomplishment, but really shouldn’t an NBA team go 40-0 in the NCAA? It would almost be like Marquette being in the WIAA.

Well it sounds nice, but do you ready believe it.  They may have the NBA talent but they are a year out of a high school and College BB is a Little more than just talent.