MLB 2017 Season

[wadesworld]

Because he was trying to win a case. The guy failed to do his job correctly, and Braun won the appeal. Every single player/person in his situation would have done the exact same thing.

Exactly.

Again, Braun is a POS, I've been a hater of him ever since the situation happened, but saying he is the "scum of the Earth" and was "trying to ruin a guy's life" is complete hyperbole.

If a perfectly good police officer carries out an illegal search of a car without a warrant and finds a bunch of drugs and unregistered guns, guess what?  The suspect is going to walk free because the legal process wasn't followed correctly and the perfectly good cop is going to maybe lose his job.  There are processes that people agree to follow when they sign up for certain jobs.  If they don't follow them, they're open to losing that job.

[copious1218]

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there was more gray area than that.  Something along the lines of the collector followed the protocol of his employer, but his employer's protocol was not in line with the CBA of MLB?  Anyone remember something similar?  (Not that it really makes a difference for this argument).

[Pakuni]

Because he was trying to win a case. The guy failed to do his job correctly, and Braun won the appeal. Every single player/person in his situation would have done the exact same thing.

Maybe I have an overly optimistic outlook on humanity, but I don't believe every single player/person would have leveled false accusations of anti-semitism in that situation.

[MUBurrow]

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there was more gray area than that.  Something along the lines of the collector followed the protocol of his employer, but his employer's protocol was not in line with the CBA of MLB?  Anyone remember something similar?  (Not that it really makes a difference for this argument).

This sounds right to me - wasn't it something like he was told/allowed to bring specimens home and store them overnight if collection was after his dropoff lab was closed? I thought there was some chain of custody issue in his job description from his employer that in hindsight was clearly not okay, but also made the collector more sympathetic because it wasn't like he was just going rogue.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Hours away from a pivotal series and amidst one of the better division/ wild card races in recent years, can't we find something something else to discuss other than a years-old Braun controversy? 

[#UnleashSean]

Hours away from a pivotal series and amidst one of the better division/ wild card races in recent years, can't we find something something else to discuss other than a years-old Braun controversy?

We could talk about arrieta and peds

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Hours away from a pivotal series and amidst one of the better division/ wild card races in recent years, can't we find something something else to discuss other than a years-old Braun controversy?

Agreed - I regret commenting on it. 

We could talk about arrieta and peds

Please don't get me and Wades started on that again.....

That being said, Jake is clean!

[wadesworld]

We could talk about arrieta and peds

PEDs are awesome.  I wish more Brewers would do them more often.  Career minor leaguers can suddenly become the best pitcher in baseball at 28 years old.  It's incredible.

[MerrittsMustache]

PEDs are awesome.  I wish more Brewers would do them more often.  Career minor leaguers can suddenly become the best pitcher in baseball at 28 years old.  It's incredible.

[buckchuckler]

Because he was trying to win a case. The guy failed to do his job correctly, and Braun won the appeal. Every single player/person in his situation would have done the exact same thing.

Not everyone.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3156305

[Vander Blue Man Group]

PEDs are awesome.  I wish more Brewers would do them more often.  Career minor leaguers can suddenly become the best pitcher in baseball at 28 years old.  It's incredible.

[Dr. Blackheart]

PEDs are awesome.  I wish more Brewers would do them more often.  Career minor leaguers can suddenly become the best pitcher in baseball.  It's incredible.

Wait, Zach Davies is doing PEDs now? 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Wait, Zach Davies is doing PEDs now?

Actually, by Wades' logic, Chase Anderson would be the more likely user. He's having a great year in his age 29 season after being mediocre in his career so he must be on something.

Scherzer must be using too since he's been amazing since his age 28 season.

[MU82]

If that makes Braun the scum of the earth and someone who "tried to get a man fired from his job" and "ruining his life" then I guess Braun is.

Yes. Thank you.

Now enjoy the series.

[MUDPT]

How does that make it any better?  His legal team works for him. He could have just said "I did it" instead of letting an innocent man take the blame.

He also could have told whatever "team" he has that he wasn't doing a press conference.  He could have filed the appeal, never talked to the media, won the appeal and the guy's name never makes it to the public. 

By the way, MLB allows I think 5 times the normal limit of testosterone.  Braun's tested 20 times. Once a guy fails, the testing organization sends to another organization just to be sure.  He tested positive again.  The protocol was breached, the urine was still dirty. 

[#UnleashSean]

Actually, by Wades' logic, Chase Anderson would be the more likely user. He's having a great year in his age 29 season after being mediocre in his career so he must be on something.

Scherzer must be using too since he's been amazing since his age 28 season.

It's almost as if players get better after having years of experience   

But it's probably PEDs.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Home plate ump has been horrendous on both sides.

[wadesworld]

Wait, Zach Davies is doing PEDs now?

Wait, the guy whose ERA this season is 0.02 better than his career ERA? 

[wadesworld]

Actually, by Wades' logic, Chase Anderson would be the more likely user. He's having a great year in his age 29 season after being mediocre in his career so he must be on something.

Scherzer must be using too since he's been amazing since his age 28 season.

Yeah because Scherzer didn't have a 3.05 ERA in 16 appearances as a rookie or 3.50 ERA in his third season. 

Just went from bad to best pitcher in baseball. Oh wait. Lol

[wadesworld]

He also could have told whatever "team" he has that he wasn't doing a press conference.  He could have filed the appeal, never talked to the media, won the appeal and the guy's name never makes it to the public. 

By the way, MLB allows I think 5 times the normal limit of testosterone.  Braun's tested 20 times. Once a guy fails, the testing organization sends to another organization just to be sure.  He tested positive again.  The protocol was breached, the urine was still dirty.

...which nobody has argued. There's a protocol on place. The protocol wasn't followed. There's a reason Braun's suspension was lifted. The guy did his (side) job wrong. And as a result Braun got out of his suspension.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Yeah because Scherzer didn't have a 3.05 ERA in 16 appearances as a rookie or 3.50 ERA in his third season. 

Just went from bad to best pitcher in baseball. Oh wait. Lol

Neither did Arrieta, genius.

[wadesworld]

Neither did Arrieta, genius.

Hmm. He went 4.66, 5.05, 6.20, 4.78. And then he turned 28 and it was 2.53. Hmm.

[wadesworld]

Neither did Arrieta, genius.

PS I really love the "genius." Brings me back to those 3rd grade days. It's awesome. Almost as awesome as PEDs taking a guy from being unable to stick in the majors to the best pitcher in baseball at age 28. Hmm...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

A lead!

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Hmm. He went 4.66, 5.05, 6.20, 4.78. And then he turned 28 and it was 2.53. Hmm.

Jump right over that 3.66 ERA he put up after joining the Cubs and started to make adjustments.

PS I really love the "genius." Brings me back to those 3rd grade days. It's awesome. Almost as awesome as PEDs taking a guy from being unable to stick in the majors to the best pitcher in baseball at age 28. Hmm...

I have some other adjectives I'd prefer to use but this isn't the appropriate forum.