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Vander Blue
« on: February 14, 2017, 01:46:14 PM »
Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?


http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/




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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 01:47:32 PM »
Was hoping the Wolves would give him a chance when Lavine went down.  Instead they chose Lance Stephenson...
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 02:34:57 PM »
Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?

Sounds like they're going to start paying in Gatorade.
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 03:33:55 PM »
Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?


http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/

Guys make either $19,500 or $26,000, though there are a few outliers.  See this timely article for further explanation: http://deadspin.com/it-is-time-for-all-nba-d-leaguers-to-be-paid-a-living-w-1792344265

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 05:29:26 PM »
Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?


http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 08:39:43 AM »
Was hoping the Wolves would give him a chance when Lavine went down.  Instead they chose Lance Stephenson...
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 09:16:31 AM »
Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros.  Blue was never a great shooter which is what holds him back from getting onto an NBA team. 

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 09:19:52 AM »
Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros. 


Why?  He wasn't going to get much better staying in school.  It is extremely unlikely that he would have been drafted after his senior year.

Everyone knows who Vander is.  He's had a chance in the NBA.  To this point, NBA teams don't think he has much upside.  Another year in school wouldn't have changed that.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 09:39:27 AM »
Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros.  Blue was never a great shooter which is what holds him back from getting onto an NBA team.


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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 09:51:39 AM »
Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros.  Blue was never a great shooter which is what holds him back from getting onto an NBA team.

Vander Blue leaving is also a major reason why Marquette Basketball has struggled for the last several years (in reference to that other thread, he may be the most important recruit Marquette has brought in since Wade).

Here's the story:
-Commits, then de-commits from Badgers
-Commits to Marquette and becomes part of the best freshman duo (with Ox) since the Amigos
-Major player and eventually star on two Sweet 16 teams and then an Elite 8 team
-Bolts for the draft against Buzz's advice
-The following year the team has no leader and poor guard play, so it turns a promising season into crap
-Coach quits on team, then bolts, leaving the cupboard empty
-New coach has little to work with and has thus far struggled to bring us back to national relevance.

Vander leaving was the turning point.  If Vander stays, the 2014 team isn't total garbage.  Buzz probably stays or at least leaves us in a better position.  Continued success (or at least a less dramatic rebuilding) is the result.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 10:03:17 AM »
Vander Blue leaving is also a major reason why Marquette Basketball has struggled for the last several years (in reference to that other thread, he may be the most important recruit Marquette has brought in since Wade).

Here's the story:
-Commits, then de-commits from Badgers
-Commits to Marquette and becomes part of the best freshman duo (with Ox) since the Amigos
-Major player and eventually star on two Sweet 16 teams and then an Elite 8 team
-Bolts for the draft against Buzz's advice
-The following year the team has no leader and poor guard play, so it turns a promising season into crap
-Coach quits on team, then bolts, leaving the cupboard empty
-New coach has little to work with and has thus far struggled to bring us back to national relevance.

Vander leaving was the turning point.  If Vander stays, the 2014 team isn't total garbage.  Buzz probably stays or at least leaves us in a better position.  Continued success (or at least a less dramatic rebuilding) is the result.

Vander couldn't shoot and couldn't run the point.  He certainly would've made ups a better team his senior year, but he wasn't filling the biggest hole the team had.

Bazz's leaving had nothing to do with Vander and/or the team's success.  It had everything to do with the administration putting its foot down and saying "Enough is enough" in regards to giving him, quite literally, everything his big ego asked for.
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 10:06:45 AM »

Why?  He wasn't going to get much better staying in school.  It is extremely unlikely that he would have been drafted after his senior year.

Everyone knows who Vander is.  He's had a chance in the NBA.  To this point, NBA teams don't think he has much upside.  Another year in school wouldn't have changed that.

Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield.  Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent.  Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do.  Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold for success is much higher. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 10:08:04 AM »
Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield.  Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent.  Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do.  Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold for success is much higher.

Wesley Matthews went undrafted.
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 10:15:31 AM »
Wesley Matthews went undrafted.

You miss the point.......completely.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2017, 10:18:03 AM »
Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield.  Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent.  Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do.  Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold for success is much higher.

You really think he's going at it alone? Like, you picture him out in his backyard shooting around by himself a la Jimmy Chitwood? Professional basketball is non-stop basketball. He doesn't have classes to attend. He doesn't have to study for tests. There's no governing body limiting the amount of time he can spend with coaches. He's as good as he's going to be and yet no NBA team has been willing to give him a real chance to contribute. Another year in college wasn't going to change that.


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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2017, 10:21:30 AM »
Vander has never been an NBA level player and, whether he stayed or not (I believe he should have) that was never going to change.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2017, 10:24:51 AM »
You miss the point.......completely.

No, I get the point. But you specifically said staying your senior year can be the difference between going undrafted and getting drafted, and then used Wes Matthews as an example. Which is wrong.

I agree Vander probably should have stayed for his senior year because what good does toiling away in the D league do for an extra year? He could have done that after college. But hindsight is 20/20.

I do agree with OD that Vander leaving was the first dominoe to fall in a series of dominoes. Things could have played out differently had he stayed, for sure.
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2017, 10:26:25 AM »
You really think he's going at it alone? Like, you picture him out in his backyard shooting around by himself a la Jimmy Chitwood? Professional basketball is non-stop basketball. He doesn't have classes to attend. He doesn't have to study for tests. There's no governing body limiting the amount of time he can spend with coaches. He's as good as he's going to be and yet no NBA team has been willing to give him a real chance to contribute. Another year in college wasn't going to change that.

I never said he was going it alone.  The point is that you're on a national stage and you get game and practice experience.  You don't receive that by yourself.  Plus, you're on a national platform.  It wouldn't have hurt Blue, only helped his career, potentially.  Do you understand how player development works?  Have you ever listened to coaches on the collegiate and NBA levels talk about how most kids who leave early, never should?  Do you know why this is? 

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2017, 10:30:32 AM »
I never said he was going it alone.  The point is that you're on a national stage and you get game and practice experience.  You don't receive that by yourself.  Plus, you're on a national platform.  It wouldn't have hurt Blue, only helped his career, potentially.  Do you understand how player development works?  Have you ever listened to coaches on the collegiate and NBA levels talk about how most kids who leave early, never should?  Do you know why this is?

Lol.  You're all over the place.  "I never said he was going it alone...You don't receive that by yourself."

Plus using Wesley Matthews as an example of someone who stayed at school to prove you better your chances of getting drafted rather than leaving early...when Wesley Matthews wasn't drafted at all.
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2017, 10:33:16 AM »
Only way vander was getting drafted was by staying in school and having another "puts the team on his back" NCAA tournament run. Even then he would've been a second rounder.
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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2017, 10:34:21 AM »
Lol.  You're all over the place.  "I never said he was going it alone...You don't receive that by yourself."

Plus using Wesley Matthews as an example of someone who stayed at school to prove you better your chances of getting drafted rather than leaving early...when Wesley Matthews wasn't drafted at all.

You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews.  Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 10:53:13 AM »
You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews.  Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.

Just because one guy made a big jump his senior year, doesn't mean that Vander would have, or that Vander didn't. Willing to bet none of us were watching all his games closely his first year out of MU to see the change.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2017, 10:55:11 AM »
You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews.  Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.

I have to say though you are making a false equivalency...Matthews also didnt get drafted and his work in the post draft workouts/try-outs got him his shot.  Vander has received that same shot. 

The question should be, would Wes have developed in the D League into the same player that he is today.  That is tougher to determine IMO. 

I can say that in Vander's case I think no, he wouldnt be an NBA player today if he had developed at MU vs. D-League -- but who knows...could be yes.

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Re: Vander Blue
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2017, 10:59:23 AM »
You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews.  Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.

"But Matthews, 23, wowed the Jazz during the summer league to earn a spot on the roster and now finds himself guarding arguably the best player in the world, Kobe Bryant. Matthews gets that assignment after guarding Carmelo Anthony, a similarly challenging opponent."

http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5160958

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 11:02:19 AM »
"But Matthews, 23, wowed the Jazz during the summer league to earn a spot on the roster and now finds himself guarding arguably the best player in the world, Kobe Bryant. Matthews gets that assignment after guarding Carmelo Anthony, a similarly challenging opponent."

http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5160958

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