When will Markus Howard stop pouting? New starting lineup

[teamdee]

1.  Wilson
2.  Rowsey
3.  Fischer
4.  JJJ
5.  Hauser

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Pouting?  I guess I am unaware of pouting.  Inconsistent play lately, yes, but not pouting.

[🏀]

This place is the worst right now.

[MU82]

Pouting?

Source?

[Loose Cannon]

  Wildfire

[Golden Avalanche]

1.  Wilson
2.  Rowsey
3.  Fischer
4.  JJJ
5.  Hauser

Unfounded with the pouting accusation. However, I do think switching him and Rowsey would be smart. Markus has hit the wall. Even the simple stuff of ball reversal and drop-offs are troubling him. You can see him thinking through everything these last few games rather than playing by instinct as he has since the Vandy game. Coming off the bench can refresh the mindset and get him back to the player he was in January.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

1.  Wilson
2.  Rowsey
3.  Fischer
4.  JJJ
5.  Hauser

Were you just listing players or are those numbers supposed to reflect their positions? Because Fischer at the 3 seems less than ideal....

[DUNKS45]

pouting? strange take.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

A terrible characterization. 

That being said, I wonder if Markus is tired. 

Remember Big Daddy reporting he went to the gym to shoot after the VU win?  This kid is working a lot and the toll of a Big East season is tough.  I remember a few times that Buzz would even ease up on the kids at this point in the year to ensure no burn-out.  Have to pace yourself - particularly in Yr 1

[mu03eng]

Pouting?

Source?

I heard he was either too tired or refused to slap fives with Cam.

#Iamthesource

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I haven't seen Markus pout once.  If he is, the only thing he has to pout about lately is his game.  But I haven't seen it. 

I am down for a lineup change though.  However, this would be my lineup:

1. Markus
2. Rowsey
3. JJJ
4. Katin
6. Luke

Would be fine with Rowsey at the 1 and Duane at the 2 as well.  I think we need to put our best offensive foot forward.  We know this team can't defend, but we do know we can score.  So let's focus on putting up 15-20 before the first media timeout, and this is the lineup to do it.

[79Warrior]

Unfounded with the pouting accusation. However, I do think switching him and Rowsey would be smart. Markus has hit the wall. Even the simple stuff of ball reversal and drop-offs are troubling him. You can see him thinking through everything these last few games rather than playing by instinct as he has since the Vandy game. Coming off the bench can refresh the mindset and get him back to the player he was in January.

He is awfully small and I think that is frustrating him against the bigger BE players.

[mu03eng]

I haven't seen Markus pout once.  If he is, the only thing he has to pout about lately is his game.  But I haven't seen it. 

I am down for a lineup change though.  However, this would be my lineup:

1. Markus
2. Rowsey
3. JJJ
4. Katin
6. Luke

Would be fine with Rowsey at the 1 and Duane at the 2 as well.  I think we need to put our best offensive foot forward.  We know this team can't defend, but we do know we can score.  So let's focus on putting up 15-20 before the first media timeout, and this is the lineup to do it.

JjJ has got to sit. I'd go

1. Rowsey
2. Haanif
3. Duane
4. Katin
5. Luke

I'd have Hauser and Markus ready for significant minutes depending on foul/performance issues with Wowsey and Katin. JjJ's gonna get minutes because Duane has foul trouble but I'd try and minimize JjJ as much as possible.

[Jay Bee]

There are 3 freshmen in the country with an ORtg > 115 & usage > 24%. Zags' Zach Collins, Kentucky's Malik Monk & Marquette's Markus Howard.

[Goose]

I'd give Markus every minute he can handle. He plays the most important position on the court and the best incoming PG we have had since DJames. Play the kid and play him hard.

[Windyplayer]

1.  Wilson
2.  Rowsey
3.  Fischer
4.  JJJ
5.  Hauser

Pathetic. Just irresponsible.

[curi15]

I understand Haanif's defense is solid, but offensively speaking, here is the lineup that we need to start off:

1.)Rowsey
2.)Duane
3.)JJJ
4.)Reinhardt
5.)Luke

Duane is providing a spark a lot recently and as frustrating as he has been in the past, he has kept us competitive lately and we can rely on his drives to the basket.  Hauser and Howard are off, and maybe need less minutes here and there.

[dw3dw3dw3]

Markus has been fine, has had some foul trouble leading to sporadic minutes, a little bit harder to get his shot off now, but geez he is way way down on the list of problems. I think Wojo should be giving him a little longer leash too. He's a bit quick with the AR subs on a MH turnover now.  He and Luke are the only concrete starters to me. Everything else could be mixed up to start off.

I can get behind Duane at the 2, and JJJ at the 3. Sam needs to start getting more aggressive and taking more than just wide-open looks, I'd still keep him in with the starters. HC is the switch out imo. Small value defensively over DW is overshadowed by DWs leadership and offensive capabilities.

[CTWarrior]

I'd give Markus every minute he can handle. He plays the most important position on the court and the best incoming PG we have had since DJames. Play the kid and play him hard.

I like the kid very much, but he is a 2G playing the point.  Even on a team with a gaping hole at PF, the biggest thing we are missing is that heady-coach-on-the-floor PG.  We have had a long string of good to great PGs (Miller/Hutchins/Henry/Deiner/James), then solid PGs (Acker/Cadougan/Buycks), to a poor one (Ners archenemy), to really not having one at all now. 

I like a PG who is a QB that looks to get everyone involved and gets them the ball where they can do something with it, and as good and fun as Rowsey and Howard are, they aren't that type of player.  Wilson actually does that, but I don't know if he has the ball handling skills to play PG.

[Goose]

CT Warrior

Complete agreement on the position and 80% agreement on Howard role at position. My hopes is he becomes  the QB on the court as he matures. Currently a 2 but believe he has big upside at the 1. IMO the PG makes or breaks a team in today's game.

[GoldenDieners32]

JjJ has got to sit. I'd go

1. Rowsey
2. Haanif
3. Duane
4. Katin
5. Luke

I'd have Hauser and Markus ready for significant minutes depending on foul/performance issues with Wowsey and Katin. JjJ's gonna get minutes because Duane has foul trouble but I'd try and minimize JjJ as much as possible.

Haanif can't score should go with all our scorers and just try to score as many points as fast as possible considering the defense can't get a stop

[dw3dw3dw3]

I mean Markus has some limitations at this point, but to call him not a pg right now is a bit over the top. He's a leader. He's had a little bit of a tough stretch, but between him and DW. They own all the leadership stars this team has given out this season. Wish he could break guys down a little better and do more than just initiate the offense, but his overall qualities outweigh his shortcomings at this point. As a freshman, he belongs in that first group. All of those guys had issues that put limitations on the team.

[wadesworld]

Right now neither Rowsey or Howard are going to be able to lock anyone down. Both can make you pay if you let them get their shot off, though Rowsey has been ever so slightly better recently in that regard. What is setting Rowsey apart is he attacks the basket with purpose. If the shot isn't there he keeps his dribbler and has some nice dump off passes to Luke for the dunk or to the corner for a 3 point look. He finishes significantly better at the rim than Howard, who leaves his feet and leaves himself the only option of trying to finish over 3 significantly taller defenders. Rowsey is also much better at creating contact both on the drive and on the perimeter.

Hopefully Howard grows 3+ inches this offseason and they can both be on the court at the same time next year.

[GoldenDieners32]

Right now neither Rowsey or Howard are going to be able to lock anyone down. Both can make you pay if you let them get their shot off, though Rowsey has been ever so slightly better recently in that regard. What is setting Rowsey apart is he attacks the basket with purpose. If the shot isn't there he keeps his dribbler and has some nice dump off passes to Luke for the dunk or to the corner for a 3 point look. He finishes significantly better at the rim than Howard, who leaves his feet and leaves himself the only option of trying to finish over 3 significantly taller defenders. Rowsey is also much better at creating contact both on the drive and on the perimeter.

Hopefully Howard grows 3+ inches this offseason and they can both be on the court at the same time next year.

We don't know if he will grow but he is 17 if you didn't know so he might still hit a growth spurt

[GooooMarquette]

I'd give Markus every minute he can handle. He plays the most important position on the court and the best incoming PG we have had since DJames. Play the kid and play him hard.

Yep.  He's hit the freshman wall, but he will play through it. 

[warriorchick]

he is 17 if you didn't know

WHAT!!?!?!?!?!?!

Why are we just now finding out about this?

[rocky_warrior]

This place is the worst right now.

I agree with this analysis.

[tower912]

The whiners are out in force.  Sadly, they have ammunition.

[brewcity77]

I am down for a lineup change though.  However, this would be my lineup:

1. Markus
2. Rowsey
3. JJJ
4. Katin
6. Luke

Luke at the 6? That's a bold move, Cotton, let's see if it pays off...

[warriorchick]

Luke at the 6? That's a bold move, Cotton, let's see if it pays off...

He wants to play the 3-forward 3-guard half-court style of ball that I played in Tennessee.

[MarquetteDano]

I like the kid very much, but he is a 2G playing the point.  Even on a team with a gaping hole at PF, the biggest thing we are missing is that heady-coach-on-the-floor PG.  We have had a long string of good to great PGs (Miller/Hutchins/Henry/Deiner/James), then solid PGs (Acker/Cadougan/Buycks), to a poor one (Ners archenemy), to really not having one at all now. 

I like a PG who is a QB that looks to get everyone involved and gets them the ball where they can do something with it, and as good and fun as Rowsey and Howard are, they aren't that type of player.  Wilson actually does that, but I don't know if he has the ball handling skills to play PG.

We were asking for good shooting point guards after Cadougan, Derrick, and then Traci.  Well we now have them.  Only problem is that they are not elite passers.  Rowsey will never be a great passer.  My only hope with Howard is that he grows into a true point.  He definitely can get to the rim.  Just needs to have the vision to find the open man.

[brewcity77]

We were asking for good shooting point guards after Cadougan, Derrick, and then Traci.  Well we now have them.  Only problem is that they are not elite passers.  Rowsey will never be a great passer.  My only hope with Howard is that he grows into a true point.  He definitely can get to the rim.  Just needs to have the vision to find the open man.

All we're really looking for is a lottery-caliber PG that can pass, shoot, protect the ball, and defend, and is willing to stay for 4 years. Is that too much to ask?

[MU82]

Unless another PG is in the pipeline - and I sure don't see one - Markus is our future. So we can say he's not a true PG until we're blue-and-gold in the face, but he's going to be our PG.

Not starting him? Sure, if it's to do a little change for the sake of change thing, but he's been fine at the beginning of most games. His big TO in the last game was in the middle of it. He has had some real fast starts for us, too. But yeah, sometimes it's not bad to make a change or two just because, and maybe he would be a real spark off the bench.

Oh, and the troll who made the OP hasn't come back here to offer any proof that Markus has been pouting. That's a snapshot of what makes Scoop so doggone special during rough patches!

[MarquetteDano]

Unless another PG is in the pipeline - and I sure don't see one - Markus is our future. So we can say he's not a true PG until we're blue-and-gold in the face, but he's going to be our PG.

Not starting him? Sure, if it's to do a little change for the sake of change thing, but he's been fine at the beginning of most games. His big TO in the last game was in the middle of it. He has had some real fast starts for us, too. But yeah, sometimes it's not bad to make a change or two just because, and maybe he would be a real spark off the bench.

Oh, and the troll who made the OP hasn't come back here to offer any proof that Markus has been pouting. That's a snapshot of what makes Scoop so doggone special during rough patches!

Agreed. For the record, I think Markus will turn both into a good passer and defender by the time he graduates.

[Herman Cain]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

[jesmu84]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

What. The. unnatural carnal knowledge.

[MU82]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

I vote Heldt.

[🏀]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

Scoop has officially jumped the shark.

[brewcity77]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

Why would JJ shoot our point guard? 

[tower912]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

It's Valentine's day.   Not April Fool's day. 

[ATWizJr]

The whiners are out in force.  Sadly, they have ammunition.

 

So that makes their whining legit.

[brewcity77]

So that makes their whining legit.

Not necessarily. We had plenty of whiners in 2011, 2012, and 2013, and those teams went to the Sweet 16 twice and Elite 8. We also had whiners in 2014, when we were up and down all year and went into Selection Sunday losers of 4 straight. Ammunition doesn't make them right, as whiners have always had ammunition around here. Reality is it's probably best to be patient and make such judgments after the fact with the benefit of hindsight.

[ATWizJr]

Not necessarily. We had plenty of whiners in 2011, 2012, and 2013, and those teams went to the Sweet 16 twice and Elite 8. We also had whiners in 2014, when we were up and down all year and went into Selection Sunday losers of 4 straight. Ammunition doesn't make them right, as whiners have always had ammunition around here. Reality is it's probably best to be patient and make such judgments after the fact with the benefit of hindsight.

then you'd say, "anyone can make those judgements in hindsight".  having ammo, imo, means that there's some justification. semantics, i suppose.

[DUNKS45]

LMAO  nice one Tower.

[brewcity77]

then you'd say, "anyone can make those judgements in hindsight".  having ammo, imo, means that there's some justification. semantics, i suppose.

Why would I say that? Whining means you're a whiner, not that you have justification. I prefer a more measured approach before, during, and after. Very little gets solved by whining other than to make the whiner more miserable.

[mr.MUskie]

I haven't seen Markus pout once.  If he is, the only thing he has to pout about lately is his game.  But I haven't seen it. 

I am down for a lineup change though.  However, this would be my lineup:

1. Markus
2. Rowsey
3. JJJ
4. Katin
6. Luke

Would be fine with Rowsey at the 1 and Duane at the 2 as well.  I think we need to put our best offensive foot forward.  We know this team can't defend, but we do know we can score.  So let's focus on putting up 15-20 before the first media timeout, and this is the lineup to do it.

Are you boycotting 5?

[GoldenDieners32]

Are you boycotting 5?

it's overrated

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Lets give JJJ a shot at the point guard the last 5 games.

This is a gem.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

JJJ is one of the better passers on the team. However, he lacks the bball iq to be an effective point.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

JJJ is one of the better passers on the team. However, he lacks the bball iq to be an effective point.

He also takes the cake for all of the dumbest passes this year. 


....well maybe Haanif's backwards "pass" to Howard with out 2.5 to go when MU had pulled it within 10 or so on Saturday would make the top 5.

[ATWizJr]

Why would I say that? Whining means you're a whiner, not that you have justification. I prefer a more measured approach before, during, and after. Very little gets solved by whining other than to make the whiner more miserable.

so this is about the style not the substance.  got it.

[fjm]

1.  Wilson
2.  Rowsey
3.  Fischer
4.  JJJ
5.  Hauser

Cut him.
We can find better. Right?


Right?!?!?!?!?

Pouting and 34 points.

Transfer him to MU west.

[Tugg Speedman]

Typical scoop post ... timing completely wrong.

[warriorchick]

Typical scoop post ... timing completely wrong.

It has never been the right time to post that Marcus sucks.