The Dark One Returneth: Wojo Report Card - A Failure

[Lennys Tap]

I might be missing something, but who said that Wojo's in "total rebuild mode" this year?

Many here are still excusing the product by saying we're still in a rebuilding phase.

[brandx]

Many here are still excusing the product by saying we're still in a rebuilding phase.

We are. Next year will be the 1st season that Wojo has his guys.

Then it will be time to hold him accountable.

[GGGG]

Many here are still excusing the product by saying we're still in a rebuilding phase.

Wojo is still in the process of building the program.  Some thing we should be further along than we are.

But "total rebuild mode?"  No one has said that.

[brewcity77]

I still think if you let it be known you're willing to make someone one of CBB's highest paid coaches..you'd get interest in the MU job from names you may not have thought possible. Money talks.

I don't think Marquette can afford that.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

??? So Wojo's in total rebuild mode in year three with two starters and a key reserve as holdovers but Buzz wasn't because he had two years to prepare for it? Hasn't Wojo also had two years to prepare?

Again, I didn't disagree. I just think a coach starting from a strong position and having to replace talent is different than a coach starting from a weak position and having to build talent. I'm not saying one is harder than the other. I just wouldn't call them the same thing.

[4everwarriors]

I still think if you let it be known you're willing to make someone one of CBB's highest paid coaches..you'd get interest in the MU job from names you may not have thought possible. Money talks.

Hasn't been da case in da past, ai na?

[Lennys Tap]

Again, I didn't disagree. I just think a coach starting from a strong position and having to replace talent is different than a coach starting from a weak position and having to build talent. I'm not saying one is harder than the other. I just wouldn't call them the same thing.

Fair enough.

[Class71]

Hasn't been da case in da past, ai na?

Does that mean if we pay more we do no better? If that is the case are we overpaying or did we hit the optimal point? That is, Wojo is the best that MU can do? Do we believe that or are we afraid of the risk associated with change? Thoughts?

I admit I do not know but if this is the best we can do this trip is not going to be fun.

[muguru]

I don't think Marquette can afford that.

It has been said by many that would know, $$$ is no object for MU in paying a Coach.

[GGGG]

It has been said by many that would know, $$$ is no object for MU in paying a Coach.

That simply isn't true.

[Bocephys]

It has been said by many that would know, $$$ is no object for MU in paying a Coach.

Was that before or after we alienated Dick Strong by not including him in the Wojo hire?

[muguru]

Was that before or after we alienated Dick Strong by not including him in the Wojo hire?

Now that is a good question..pretty sure it was before, but still may be the case..MU has plenty of wealthy donors...the question is, how do they perceive the program and it's trajectory right now?? I'd love to hear that answer.

[MU82]

It has been said by many that would know, $$$ is no object for MU in paying a Coach.

Every school has a "top price" it's willing to pay. I'm guessing Shaka had to be pretty high up there in our top-price zone.

I'm trying to figure out how Scoop would have reacted if MU had paid top dollar for a guy to lead us to a 10-15 record in Year 2. Probably nice and calm and content, eh?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Every school has a "top price" it's willing to pay. I'm guessing Shaka had to be pretty high up there in our top-price zone.

I'm trying to figure out how Scoop would have reacted if MU had paid top dollar for a guy to lead us to a 10-15 record in Year 2. Probably nice and calm and content, eh?

This is obsession may be bordering on ners/chicos levels

[muguru]

Every school has a "top price" it's willing to pay. I'm guessing Shaka had to be pretty high up there in our top-price zone.

I'm trying to figure out how Scoop would have reacted if MU had paid top dollar for a guy to lead us to a 10-15 record in Year 2. Probably nice and calm and content, eh?

Rip on Shaka all you want, but you seem to forget he took UT to the dance his first year there, when not many expected them to go. I can also guarantee you if he were at MU, this team WOULD be playing defense...and an exciting brand of it as well.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Rip on Shaka all you want, but you seem to forget he took UT to the dance his first year there, when not many expected them to go. I can also guarantee you if he were at MU, this team WOULD be playing defense...and an exciting brand of it as well.

Who didn't expect Texas to go? They were picked preseason to finish 4th in a conference that traditionally sends 7 or 8 teams to the dance every year.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210420591

[MU82]

Rip on Shaka all you want, but you seem to forget he took UT to the dance his first year there, when not many expected them to go. I can also guarantee you if he were at MU, this team WOULD be playing defense...and an exciting brand of it as well.

Ha! Texas was one of the conference favorites! They moderately underachieved last season, and they are a laughingstock this year.

I have already said many times that I wish things had worked out for Shaka to be at Marquette. But folks who think it would have been some kind of guarantee that he would quickly bring us back from the disaster Buzz left ... please.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

It's surprising Shaka hasn't made waves at Texas.  Texas should be one of the best spots to recruit for basketball. Shaka is venturing down the path of Tom Crean......where he had it better at the smaller, less prominent school.

[MU82]

It's surprising Shaka hasn't made waves at Texas.  Texas should be one of the best spots to recruit for basketball. Shaka is venturing down the path of Tom Crean......where he had it better at the smaller, less prominent school.

So far, anyway.

Texas blew a lead and fell tonight to a bad Oklahoma team that just lost its best player to injury and entered the game on a 7-game losing streak. Shaka's lads are now 10-16.

Speaking of Oklahoma ... there's a coach who wins everywhere he goes: Lon Kruger. And he'll go anywhere and everywhere, especially to a school that shows him the money! Just don't expect him to stick around for more than 11 minutes.

[tower912]

A thread on the scout board......  The BOT is satisfied with Wojo.    They were put off by the off court attention that occurred under Buzz.    They are pleased that Wojo is bringing in players who, so far, are of high character and are willing to give him several more years to build the program.    So, rant, rave, curse, scheme, whatever.     The powers-that-be wanted the anti-Buzz, believe they have him, and are not in a hurry.   

[Newsdreams]

A thread on the scout board......  The BOT is satisfied with Wojo.    They were put off by the off court attention that occurred under Buzz.    They are pleased that Wojo is bringing in players who, so far, are of high character and are willing to give him several more years to build the program.    So, rant, rave, curse, scheme, whatever.     The powers-that-be wanted the anti-Buzz, believe they have him, and are not in a hurry.

#fakenews lies from failing scout board

[GGGG]

#fakenews lies from failing scout board

So does this mean I have to buy one of Dodds' premium memberships like I just did the New York Times?

[Newsdreams]

So does this mean I have to buy one of Dodds' premium memberships like I just did the New York Times?

subscription from failing NYT what a loser

[vogue65]

Now that is a good question..pretty sure it was before, but still may be the case..MU has plenty of wealthy donors...the question is, how do they perceive the program and it's trajectory right now?? I'd love to hear that answer.

This is on track.  The selection by the BOT was based on image, style and P.R..  Winning and cost were not high on the selection criteria.   More consideration was given to being representative than a win at all or nearly all cost.

I  understand that thinking that a decision can be based on anything besides money and trophies is a serious paradyme shift. 

What we were is not what we are, change is difficult.

[Newsdreams]

This is on track.  The selection by the BOT was based on image, style and P.R..  Winning and cost were not high on the selection criteria.   More consideration was given to being representative than a win at all or nearly all cost.

I  understand that thinking that a decision can be based on anything besides money and trophies is a serious paradyme shift. 

What we were is not what we are, change is difficult.

Yeah because Doc Rivers has no clue about coaching.