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1,000 point scorers
« on: November 01, 2016, 10:19:41 AM »
I thought I'd revive this with new candidates to get to 1,000 career points at Marquette in the 2017-18 season. We have only two real candidates to get there. Sam Hauser would have to average 22.6 ppg with Marquette making it to both the Big East Tournament final and the Sweet 16 to have a shot. I don't see any way he increases his average by 9 points the rest of the way, so we're left with our backcourt:

  • Markus Howard, 635 points: Howard has 635 career points through 10 games of his sophomore year. With his current 22.5 ppg scoring average, he is on pace to eclipse 1,000 points on February 17 at Creighton. While he may see his scoring average tail off a bit in conference play, it seems likely that Marquette will play at least 32 games this season (1 BET, 1 postseason) since currently a 16-15 record would land a RPI around 75 and SOS of 27, which is likely good enough for the NIT, and MU has a good shot to eclipse that record. That means Howard only has to average 16.6 ppg the rest of the way to assure himself 1,000 points as a sophomore. Has any MU player ever done that before? I'm sure Brute Force did it in two years, but not sure about the true sophomore aspect.
  • Andrew Rowsey, 589 points: Rowsey has 589 points at Marquette and is averaging 21.8 ppg this year. At that rate, he would eclipse 1,000 points in the penultimate game at Georgetown. Not impossible to think he could do it on his senior night as well. If we assume 32 games this season, Rowsey has to average 18.7 ppg the rest of the way to reach 1,000. It's a harder road for him, but not impossible, and would make him a 1,000 point scorer at two different schools (he had 1,244 at UNC-Asheville).
My guess at this point, Howard will get there, Rowsey will depend on how far we go in March tournaments. I expect both of their scoring averages to drop come conference play, but it could be an interesting February and March for stat watchers.

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With some upperclassmen, I was thinking about our last 1,000 point scorer. Davante Gardner reached the landmark in 2013-14 and is our only 1,000 point scorer since Jae Crowder and Darius Johnson-Odom left in 2012. This year we could see as many as four (though more likely three) players eclipse that mark.

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  • Duane Wilson, 764 points: Even if Duane's role is reduced, he only needs 236 points to reach 1,000. That would require 7.6 ppg for Duane as a junior. Barring injury, this will happen.
  • Luke Fischer, 664 points: To reach 1,000 Luke would need to post 336 points, which would be fewer than he put up last year. Fischer would need to average around 10.8 ppg for 31 games. Seems likely after scoring 12.1 ppg a year ago. Luke did score 37 points at Indiana as well, but I'm basing this off what he did in a Marquette uniform.
  • Jajuan Johnson, 642 points: Jajuan needs 358 points, which would be a career high and he needs about 11.5 ppg. If he plays an entire season like he did during the latter half of Big East play, he'll do it easily.
  • Haanif Cheatham, 391 points: Considering the depth at guard, this seems highly unlikely. Haani would need to average around 19.6 ppg this year. My guess is he will eclipse 1,000 points, but more likely early in his junior year.
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Just one more thing to get excited about this season, especially in the latter half of the season. Another interesting thing to watch will be Andrew Rowsey's career. He scored over 1,000 at UNC-Asheville. Will he play a big enough role to reach that mark in 2 years at Marquette? He would probably need to average around 15.9 ppg to get there over his two seasons. If we made runs in the Big East and NCAA Tournament, he could reach that mark averaging 14.3 ppg (assuming a 70 game career).
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Re: 1,000 point scorers
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2016, 10:43:03 AM »
Nice post. Hope atleast jjj and fish get there this year as they are seniors

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Re: 1,000 point scorers
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2016, 10:49:13 AM »
Nice post.

+1. Watching players develop over the course of their careers is one of my favorite things about being a Marquette fan. It's good to recognize milestones along the way.
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Re: 1,000 point scorers
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 10:55:27 AM »
When is the last time that MU had three 1000-point scorers on their roster at the same time?

(All of whom had 1000 points at the time)

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 11:09:13 AM »
When is the last time that MU had three 1000-point scorers on their roster at the same time?

(All of whom had 1000 points at the time)

Senior year of The Amigos. I believed that team had 4, since Lazar joined the club that season as well.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 11:20:45 AM »
Senior year of The Amigos. I believed that team had 4, since Lazar joined the club that season as well.

That's correct. We did have teams with three 1,000 point career scorers since then, but not when they already had that total. 2010 had Lazar, DJO, and Jimmy, 2011 had DJO, Jimmy, Jae, and Davante, and 2012 had DJO, Jae, and Davante.

What's interesting is that this year, we could actually have FIVE guys on the roster at the same time with 1,000+ career points. Both Andrew Rowsey and Katin Reinhardt have already accumulated over 1,000 points in their career. From none on the roster in two years to five in the same season. If our defense is any kind of decent, this could be a very exciting team. Such a wealth of scoring options, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if in a couple years, the most prolific career scorers on this roster end up being Cheatham and Howard.
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Re: 1,000 point scorers
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 12:02:23 PM »
JJJ is going off this year. 20 ppg go to scoring option

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 12:04:07 PM »
JJJ is going off this year. 20 ppg go to scoring option

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 12:38:25 PM »
Gotta get a taste of what you're drinkin
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 02:58:17 PM »
JJJ is going off this year. 20 ppg go to scoring option

I don't think anyone will get close to that. Too many different options for one player to average that much. I do think we could see 6-7 guys averaging double digits though.
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Re: 1,000 point scorers
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 03:51:34 PM »
With 4 years of eligibility, the shot clock and the 3 pointer a 1000 points does not seem to be a great accomplishment. George Thompsons career scoring record seems so much more formidable by comparison.

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 08:18:30 PM »
With 4 years of eligibility, the shot clock and the 3 pointer a 1000 points does not seem to be a great accomplishment. George Thompsons career scoring record seems so much more formidable by comparison.

I don't think the OP was comparing Duane Wilson to George Thompson or any past MU greats. It's a simple acknowledgement of a player milestone.
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Re: 1,000 point scorers
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 09:30:59 PM »
With 4 years of eligibility, the shot clock and the 3 pointer a 1000 points does not seem to be a great accomplishment.

For me the most impressive career stat is that 4 of Marquette's Top 9 Career Scorers all played on the same court for 3 years.  McNeal, Hayward, James and Matthews.  Its almost impossible to believe given MU's long history of great players that those guys could be complementary enough to play together and still run up those career stats.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2016, 09:17:48 AM »
I think there will be plenty of chances to score. I think MU gets at least 4 games where they score at least 100 and I think our season scoring average ends up somewhere in the top 20, like 80ish.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2016, 09:23:41 AM »
For me the most impressive career stat is that 4 of Marquette's Top 9 Career Scorers all played on the same court for 3 years.  McNeal, Hayward, James and Matthews.  Its almost impossible to believe given MU's long history of great players that those guys could be complementary enough to play together and still run up those career stats.

And yet they won a total of 1 NCAA Tournament game.  Thanks Crean.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2016, 09:31:51 AM »
And yet they won a total of 1 NCAA Tournament game.  Thanks Crean.

Actually, they won 2.  One was with Buzz.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2016, 09:35:48 AM »
Actually, they won 2.  One was with Buzz.

And James broken foot ruined what could very well have been at least an E8 run.  They were ranked 8th, IIRC, when Dom broke his foot vs. Duke, and with all those upperclassmen I think they had a great chance to make a deep run.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2016, 09:42:57 AM »
Actually, they won 2.  One was with Buzz.

Ahh thanks.

And James broken foot ruined what could very well have been at least an E8 run.  They were ranked 8th, IIRC, when Dom broke his foot vs. Duke, and with all those upperclassmen I think they had a great chance to make a deep run.

Vs. UCONN.  But yes.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2016, 10:12:04 AM »
And yet they won a total of 1 NCAA Tournament game.  Thanks Crean.

True.  We should recall that Crean got us to NCAA tourney's on the regular, after inheriting a program that was truly a mess and devoid of talent following Deane's years.  Now that was a true rebuild.  There was also that Final Four trip too.  Let's hope we can soon say "Thanks Wojo," and that he can replicate Crean's success here at MU.  I'd be happy with Wojo as coach if he can perform comparably to Crean - as I think most MU fans would.

We screwed it up with Buzz.  Though there were some of us that were sounding the alarm bell a year in advance, and were called "Tin Foil" Hat Club, etc.  Goose.  Me.   

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 10:29:58 AM »
True.  We should recall that Crean got us to NCAA tourney's on the regular, after inheriting a program that was truly a mess and devoid of talent following Deane's years.  Now that was a true rebuild.  There was also that Final Four trip too.  Let's hope we can soon say "Thanks Wojo," and that he can replicate Crean's success here at MU.  I'd be happy with Wojo as coach if he can perform comparably to Crean - as I think most MU fans would.

We screwed it up with Buzz.  Though there were some of us that were sounding the alarm bell a year in advance, and were called "Tin Foil" Hat Club, etc.  Goose.  Me.

Crean was 30-28 in his first 2  years at Marquette.  Wojo is 33-32.  Fairly comparably so far.  One coached in CUSA, the other in the Big East.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2016, 10:38:59 AM »
Crean was 30-28 in his first 2  years at Marquette.  Wojo is 33-32.  Fairly comparably so far.  One coached in CUSA, the other in the Big East.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2016, 12:18:20 PM »
Crean was 30-28 in his first 2  years at Marquette.  Wojo is 33-32.  Fairly comparably so far.  One coached in CUSA, the other in the Big East.

And one inherited 6 Top 100 players, one of which was an All Big East Freshman, 3 other Top 100 sophomores, with a program coming off of Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Missed NIT.  Not to mention Wojo was recruiting into the Big East, having the Al built, all of which lead to 4-14 in the water downed Big East Year 1, and 8-10 year two, with a Freshman All American and NBA 1st round draft choice.  That's a far cry from what Tom Crean walked into at MU.


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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2016, 12:37:20 PM »
Are the cherries already in season? Seems to be a lot of people picking them.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2016, 12:49:58 PM »
And one inherited 6 Top 100 players, one of which was an All Big East Freshman, 3 other Top 100 sophomores, with a program coming off of Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Missed NIT.  Not to mention Wojo was recruiting into the Big East, having the Al built, all of which lead to 4-14 in the water downed Big East Year 1, and 8-10 year two, with a Freshman All American and NBA 1st round draft choice.  That's a far cry from what Tom Crean walked into at MU.

1. The S16 S16 E8 run is irrelevant to this conversation. He took over a team that missed the NIT and lost 4 starters to graduation. 4 SENIOR STARTERS LOST FROM A VERY AVERAGE TEAM.

2. Not only that, he didn't have any time to recruit because he took over in April.

He was left with nothing. I'm pretty open-minded, but anyone that thinks Wojo was left with anything resembling a functional basketball team is wrong. I don't know why I bother, it's admittedly a waste of time.

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2016, 12:56:28 PM »
With 4 years of eligibility, the shot clock and the 3 pointer a 1000 points does not seem to be a great accomplishment. George Thompsons career scoring record seems so much more formidable by comparison.

To address this, here's the list of 1,000 point scorers:

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/all-time_leading_scorers

I understand it not seeming like the accomplishment it once was, but you still have to be a good, consistent player to get there. Looking down the list at names to reach that milestone in the past 20 or so years, here are the guys:

Jerel McNeal, Lazar Hayward, Dominic James, Travis Diener, Brian Wardle, Wes Matthews, DJO, Steve Novak, Aaron Hutchins, Cordell Henry, Davante Gardner, Dwyane Wade, Jimmy Butler, Scott Merritt, Jae Crowder, Tony Miller

All pretty darn good players, most of them were really good. It's still an accomplishment I'd argue is worth celebrating.
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