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Team size, strength and conditioning
« on: September 29, 2016, 04:29:59 PM »
A look at this year's roster shows a number of significant differences from just a season ago:

Haanif Cheatham
6-5/180 (2015-16)
6-5/195 (2016-17) +15 lbs

Jajuan Johnson
6-5/200 (2015-16)
6-5/205 (2016-17) +5 lbs

Sandy Cohen
6-6/180 (2015-16)
6-6/200 (2016-17) +20 lbs

Katin Reinhardt
6-6/215 (2015-16)
6-6/210 (2016-17) -5 lbs

Sam Hauser
6-6/185 (2015-16)
6-7/225 (2016-17) +1 inch, +40 lbs

Matt Heldt
6-10/225 (2015-16)
6-10/245 (2016-17) +20 lbs

Luke Fisher
6-11/245 (2015-16)
6-11/250 (2016-17) +5 lbs

Hopefully, bigger = stronger = won't get pushed around as much = better rebounding. Especially for Heldt, Cohen, Hauser and even Cheatham.
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 07:16:38 PM »
Hauser +40 lbs? On his way to become Davante, hey?
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 07:22:40 PM »
Hauser +40 lbs? On his way to become Davante, hey?

6'6" 185 is pretty f'ing skinny.
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 07:37:36 PM »
6'6" 185 is pretty f'ing skinny.
Not if he gains another 40 lbs!  :P
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 07:53:14 PM »
For comparison, Lazar Hayward was listed at 6-6/215 during his freshman season (2006-07). Totally different roster, of course, but he played in every game averaging 16.3 mpg, 6.6 ppg and 3.6 rpg.

As much as we need rebounding, it's possible that Sam becomes a regular part of the rotation. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets more playing time than Wally did last season.
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 08:01:59 PM »
A look at this year's roster shows a number of significant differences from just a season ago:

Haanif Cheatham
6-5/180 (2015-16)
6-5/195 (2016-17) +15 lbs

Jajuan Johnson
6-5/200 (2015-16)
6-5/205 (2016-17) +5 lbs

Sandy Cohen
6-6/180 (2015-16)
6-6/200 (2016-17) +20 lbs

Katin Reinhardt
6-6/215 (2015-16)
6-6/210 (2016-17) -5 lbs

Sam Hauser
6-6/185 (2015-16)
6-7/225 (2016-17) +1 inch, +40 lbs

Matt Heldt
6-10/225 (2015-16)
6-10/245 (2016-17) +20 lbs

Luke Fisher
6-11/245 (2015-16)
6-11/250 (2016-17) +5 lbs

Hopefully, bigger = stronger = won't get pushed around as much = better rebounding. Especially for Heldt, Cohen, Hauser and even Cheatham.

What? They couldn't rebound last season and now they're fat and that equals better rebounding.

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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2016, 08:39:59 PM »
What? They couldn't rebound last season and now they're fat and that equals better rebounding.

Dude, we know you think we suck. But come on. If you think Todd Smith would let them gain any fat, your crazy.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2016, 08:50:10 PM »
Dude, we know you think we suck. But come on. If you think Todd Smith would let them gain any fat, your crazy.
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2016, 06:11:15 AM »
Dude, we know you think we suck. But come on. If you think Todd Smith would let them gain any fat, your crazy.

Dude, I don't think anything. I just don't know if we are as good as many here think we are or as bad until they show us either way on the court.

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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2016, 06:29:10 AM »
Dude, I don't think anything. I just don't know if we are as good as many here think we are or as bad until they show us either way on the court.

So why do you post about how bad we are in every thread there is?
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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2016, 06:51:51 AM »
So why do you post about how bad we are in every thread there is?

Why do others post about how great we are? Over the last 3 seasons we were really bad and without Henry last season may have been just as bad as Wojo's first.

We'll see if Wojo is turning this ship in the right direction by the results we'll see on the court, not on potential talent or statistical analysis; just by how well they play the game. Right now I'm not seeing it until proven otherwise. If we win 20 this year and still don't make the post season I'll be a little more optimistic.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2016, 07:13:07 AM »
Why do others post about how great we are? Over the last 3 seasons we were really bad and without Henry last season may have been just as bad as Wojo's first.

We'll see if Wojo is turning this ship in the right direction by the results we'll see on the court, not on potential talent or statistical analysis; just by how well they play the game. Right now I'm not seeing it until proven otherwise. If we win 20 this year and still don't make the post season I'll be a little more optimistic.

Guys, he's got a point.....if Wojo didn't have NBA top 20 draft pick on the roster that he recruited and coached the team would have been as bad when we had no NBA top 20 draft picks on the roster

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Re: Team size, strength and conditioning
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2016, 07:15:43 AM »
6'6" 185 is pretty f'ing skinny.

What's interesting is Haanif is 6'5" 195 this season which isn't exactly big, but I never thought that he didn't have strength last season so I'll be interesting to see how he and Sam's games change.

Let's all hope that Sam doesn't have Jon Harris type issues in his shooting as a result of all that bulk gained
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2016, 07:27:38 AM »
Guys, he's got a point.....if Wojo didn't have NBA top 20 draft pick on the roster that he recruited and coached the team would have been as bad when we had no NBA top 20 draft picks on the roster


We had four conference wins Wojo's first season and it may of been zero if Carlino got hurt before the start of conference. We had 8 conference wins last year and it also may of been zero if Henry had got hurt before the start of conference. What worries me is that the base team is not as talented as we think it is. However, players should get better with experience. The positive is that his team will not be dependent on one player. The possible negative is that this team may not have a player that can carry the team when needed, although I think(hope) someone will step up.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2016, 07:57:48 AM »
We had four conference wins Wojo's first season and it may of been zero if Carlino got hurt before the start of conference. We had 8 conference wins last year and it also may of been zero if Henry had got hurt before the start of conference. What worries me is that the base team is not as talented as we think it is. However, players should get better with experience. The positive is that his team will not be dependent on one player. The possible negative is that this team may not have a player that can carry the team when needed, although I think(hope) someone will step up.

What does base team mean? The team you have left that's average when you take superstars and/or really talented players off the roster? So let's take Wade off the '03 team, Jimmy Butler off the 2011 Sweet Sixteen team or Predator off the 2012 team, think they have the same results?

And you are telling me that Duane and Sandy as frosh, sophomore John Dawson and JjJ and Senior Derrick Wilson is as good as Haanif and Carter as frosh, sophomore Duane, junior JjJ?? I don't think it's even close.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2016, 08:08:33 AM »
What does base team mean? The team you have left that's average when you take superstars and/or really talented players off the roster? So let's take Wade off the '03 team, Jimmy Butler off the 2011 Sweet Sixteen team or Predator off the 2012 team, think they have the same results?

And you are telling me that Duane and Sandy as frosh, sophomore John Dawson and JjJ and Senior Derrick Wilson is as good as Haanif and Carter as frosh, sophomore Duane, junior JjJ?? I don't think it's even close.

For the record Jimmy and Crowder were not the leading scorers on either of those teams. I get your point but DJO could've still carried a team to victory.

What I like about this team is the 6 double digit scorers. Yes there's only one rock but it makes us incredibly hard to scout with that many offensive weapons.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2016, 08:15:04 AM »
Why do others post about how great we are? Over the last 3 seasons we were really bad and without Henry last season may have been just as bad as Wojo's first.

We'll see if Wojo is turning this ship in the right direction by the results we'll see on the court, not on potential talent or statistical analysis; just by how well they play the game. Right now I'm not seeing it until proven otherwise. If we win 20 this year and still don't make the post season I'll be a little more optimistic.

We won 20 last year and didn't make the post season.   Why aren't you optimistic?
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2016, 08:43:01 AM »
We won 20 last year and didn't make the post season.   Why aren't you optimistic?

Without Henry how many would we have won? No one knows. My concern this season is our defense and rebounding and hope the players we have can shoot from the perimeter as advertised.

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2016, 10:10:58 AM »
Without Henry how many would we have won? No one knows. My concern this season is our defense and rebounding and hope the players we have can shoot from the perimeter as advertised.

Maybe less, maybe more. Like the number of licks required to get to the middle of a Tootsie Pop, the world may never know.
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2016, 11:08:36 AM »
Without Henry how many would we have won? No one knows. My concern this season is our defense and rebounding and hope the players we have can shoot from the perimeter as advertised.

But we did have Henry
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2016, 04:04:46 PM »
What's interesting is Haanif is 6'5" 195 this season which isn't exactly big, but I never thought that he didn't have strength last season so I'll be interesting to see how he and Sam's games change.

To me, the key is how our roster compares to the rest of the Big East.

Last season at Nova, Josh Hart and Kris Jenkins were listed at 6-5/205 and 6-6/240, respectively. Hart was the team's second leading rebounder. Xavier had Trevor Bluiett at 6-6/215. Roosevelt Jones at Butler went 6-4/230. Seton Hall had Desi Rodriguez at 6-6/215 and Isaiah Whitehead at 6-4/210.

Strength matters when defending and rebounding against those kind of big guards and wings. We'll have to see if the difference in the roster carries through to the court.
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2016, 04:50:07 PM »
For the record Jimmy and Crowder were not the leading scorers on either of those teams. I get your point but DJO could've still carried a team to victory.

What I like about this team is the 6 double digit scorers. Yes there's only one rock but it makes us incredibly hard to scout with that many offensive weapons.

I went to the game in Morgantown when Crowder played all 40 minutes and Buzz was suspending half the team for the 1st half and the other half the team for the 2nd. Watching him drag that team kicking and screaming to a win all the while putting up the statement game that he was POY over Desean Butler (I think was his name) on WV was a thing of beauty.

DJO was awesome, but that was Crowder's team.

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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2016, 05:17:27 PM »
But we did have Henry

...and we couldn't even make the NIT with 20 wins because no one that counted (selection committee for NIT) thought we were good enough.