Bucks president has some thoughts on Milwaukee

[GGGG]

Mostly Socialists, which are closer to Democrats than Republicans.  Nevertheless, Democrat mayors in 1908, 1912 (fusion candidate of Republicans and Democrats, but Bading was the Democrat who represented the fusion offering), 1940 another.

Another way to look at it, since the city began in 1846, this is the breakdown of party control at the mayoral level

Democrats: 103 years
Socialists (more aligned with Democrats than Republicans): 38 years
Republicans:  20 years
Fusion / non partisan: 10 years

The Milwaukee Common Council is almost entirely Democrat.  If you keep having the same problems for decade after decade, it might be time to think about the same policies and ideologies from the same group of elected leaders. 

This is pretty much Trump's pretend appeal to African Americans as well.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Since the badger troll violated the no politics rule, can we ban him now?

[mu03eng]

Since the badger troll violated the no politics rule, can we ban him now?

I would have thought being a Badger would be enough...so yes, drop the ban hammer

[rocket surgeon]

Da $$$$$ ownership group has several minority, minority members. But, beyond dat, either Feigen is a bonofide idiot or he's layin' the groundwork for another round of public support panderin', hey?

Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...."  Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about?  Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods?  Short answer is NO!   Segregation has been going on forever. Ever since immigration began.  People of different ethnic groups tend to hang together.  Note-China town, Greek town, Hispanics, Serbs, Italians, etc have all made their own neighborhoods/niches.  Segregated??  I guess so, but so what? People did this for reasons of commonality, family, doing business, traditions, ease of communication, etc.  It's what those ethnic groups have made of those areas themselves that define the people, not the city itself.  The cities didn't direct certain people to certain areas and physically "wall" them off.  This at a time when I'm reading about certain groups of students telling universities that they will not live with a fill-in-the-blank person I their dorm? 

Feigen is an idiot pander'er.  By him coming out and saying that, why of course he's not a racist or anything because he's getting ahead of the problem, right?  You mean to tell me San Francisco with its china town or New York with all its "towns" isn't segregated as well?  Why does segregation mean something bad?  The people of these "segregated" areas are free to move around as they choose last time I checked

[jesmu84]

Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...."  Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about?  Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods?  Short answer is NO!   Segregation has been going on forever. Ever since immigration began.  People of different ethnic groups tend to hang together.  Note-China town, Greek town, Hispanics, Serbs, Italians, etc have all made their own neighborhoods/niches.  Segregated??  I guess so, but so what? People did this for reasons of commonality, family, doing business, traditions, ease of communication, etc.  It's what those ethnic groups have made of those areas themselves that define the people, not the city itself.  The cities didn't direct certain people to certain areas and physically "wall" them off.  This at a time when I'm reading about certain groups of students telling universities that they will not live with a fill-in-the-blank person I their dorm? 

Feigen is an idiot pander'er.  By him coming out and saying that, why of course he's not a racist or anything because he's getting ahead of the problem, right?  You mean to tell me San Francisco with its china town or New York with all its "towns" isn't segregated as well?  Why does segregation mean something bad?  The people of these "segregated" areas are free to move around as they choose last time I checked

Yes. The same institutional racism/discrimination that forced each of those ethnic groups into the poor areas of town, is doing the same now. Unfortunately, there are less opportunities/growth now then when those other groups moved to the US. Although I would argue it's less about ethnicity/race and more about economic class. It is much much harder for lower economic classes to move up now than it was in the 19th, early 20th century. Read a sociology book for me one time.

[Buzzed]

I'm going to take a wild guess here that Feigen bought a condo in either the lower eastside or third ward just like Lasry's kid.  If so, he is part of the problem, not part of the solution.  He's slinging some mighty big rocks for living in a glass condo.

[GGGG]

I'm going to take a wild guess here that Feigen bought a condo in either the lower eastside or third ward just like Lasry's kid.  If so, he is part of the problem, not part of the solution.  He's slinging some mighty big rocks for living in a glass condo.

So the only way you can be "part of the solution" is to live in a house on 30th and Cherry?

He is paying his property taxes to the City of Milwaukee and MPS, generating his economic activity in the City, etc.  That is being part of the solution.

[Buzzed]

Did I say part or did I say only?

It all depends how passionate he is about solving the problem. To solve it faster it is going to take majority ethnicities to move where they are minorities and a sizeable portion of the old majority to stay.  By moving into a neighborhood where he is part of the majority he just strengthened it. A minority needs to move in just to have the demographics be the same as before. Hence, part of the problem.

And yes it is going to take more white people to move to Midtown for the problem to be truly solved, but I take it from your comment it won't be you.  So just don't move out when minorities move in because let's not forget the northwest side use to be majority white just a generation ago.  Thanks for being part of the solution.

[GGGG]

Did I say part or did I say only?

It all depends how passionate he is about solving the problem. To solve it faster it is going to take majority ethnicities to move where they are minorities and a sizeable portion of the old majority to stay.  By moving into a neighborhood where he is part of the majority he just strengthened it. A minority needs to move in just to have the demographics be the same as before. Hence, part of the problem.

And yes it is going to take more white people to move to Midtown for the problem to be truly solved, but I take it from your comment it won't be you.  So just don't move out when minorities move in because let's not forget the northwest side use to be majority white just a generation ago.  Thanks for being part of the solution.

You said that he is "part of the problem, not part of the solution."  I would argue moving to a Milwaukee condo isn't a problem at all and is part of what is going to be needed to create a solution. 

And it likely won't be me, at least anytime soon, because I don't live in the Milwaukee area.  But nice try.

[mu_hilltopper]

While we don't prevent minorities from moving to the suburbs .. it's all about having a modicum of a racial-minority middle class.  Milwaukee just doesn't have the economy to boost many inner-city people up a rung.   

The suburbs don't have stop signs, but they do have high housing barriers to entry -- not to mention a typically homogenized citizenry which shouldn't surprise as uncomfortable.

MKE's economy will be like this for more generations.

[mu03eng]

Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...."  Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about?  Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods?  Short answer is NO!   Segregation has been going on forever. Ever since immigration began.  People of different ethnic groups tend to hang together.  Note-China town, Greek town, Hispanics, Serbs, Italians, etc have all made their own neighborhoods/niches.  Segregated??  I guess so, but so what? People did this for reasons of commonality, family, doing business, traditions, ease of communication, etc.  It's what those ethnic groups have made of those areas themselves that define the people, not the city itself.  The cities didn't direct certain people to certain areas and physically "wall" them off.  This at a time when I'm reading about certain groups of students telling universities that they will not live with a fill-in-the-blank person I their dorm? 

Feigen is an idiot pander'er.  By him coming out and saying that, why of course he's not a racist or anything because he's getting ahead of the problem, right?  You mean to tell me San Francisco with its china town or New York with all its "towns" isn't segregated as well?  Why does segregation mean something bad?  The people of these "segregated" areas are free to move around as they choose last time I checked

Feigen is correct that Milwaukee is one of, if not the most segregated city in the country. Some amount of that may be as the result of overt racism as Feigen indicates by calling the city racist, but I think there is a lot more to it than that. Part of why I react so strongly to his blanket statement is that it's such an acidic charge it allows the subtle issues to hide which I think is a bigger chunk of the problem.

As Jes points out, a lot of the problem is already "baked into the pie" so to speak. Culturally we are more often than not predicated to be resistant to new or different within our communities. And we are very resistant if that new and different are some how a lower economic class than our own. Unfortunately, the lower economic classes are disproportionately minority so it has the effect of also being construed as racism when we shun the less economically fit.

I remember the online stink that some in the community I live in made about a Walmart being built, or a Milwaukee County bus line being extended....hell the city even got sued for not wanting low income housing. I fully believe there are some in my city that are overt racists, but I think far more of the issue is the view that somehow the "lower" class(economic not racial) would sully the community which results in people of that class not feeling welcome and feel like they have to "stick to their own". Which going back to my previous paragraph means far fewer minorities.

[GGGG]

Feigen is correct that Milwaukee is one of, if not the most segregated city in the country. Some amount of that may be as the result of overt racism as Feigen indicates by calling the city racist, but I think there is a lot more to it than that. Part of why I react so strongly to his blanket statement is that it's such an acidic charge it allows the subtle issues to hide which I think is a bigger chunk of the problem.

As Jes points out, a lot of the problem is already "baked into the pie" so to speak. Culturally we are more often than not predicated to be resistant to new or different within our communities. And we are very resistant if that new and different are some how a lower economic class than our own. Unfortunately, the lower economic classes are disproportionately minority so it has the effect of also being construed as racism when we shun the less economically fit.

I remember the online stink that some in the community I live in made about a Walmart being built, or a Milwaukee County bus line being extended....hell the city even got sued for not wanting low income housing. I fully believe there are some in my city that are overt racists, but I think far more of the issue is the view that somehow the "lower" class(economic not racial) would sully the community which results in people of that class not feeling welcome and feel like they have to "stick to their own". Which going back to my previous paragraph means far fewer minorities.

I think you are far underestimating how much race is involved.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...."  Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about?  Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods?  Short answer is NO!

You're kidding me right? Your argument is if the people of color don't like it they should move? Also not taking into account the radical difference in socio-economic status between different races that could be be barriers to moving. The fact that it would mean leaving friends, family, and community behind. The fact that it is a challenge to be one of the only person who looks like you in a neighborhood which would be a reality in the suburbs.

The answer to an area being racist isn't have all the minorities leave. The answer is for all the racists to stop being racist.

[GGGG]

You're kidding me right? Your argument is if the people of color don't like it they should move? Also not taking into account the radical difference in socio-economic status between different races that could be be barriers to moving. The fact that it would mean leaving friends, family, and community behind. The fact that it is a challenge to be one of the only person who looks like you in a neighborhood which would be a reality in the suburbs.

The answer to an area being racist isn't have all the minorities leave. The answer is for all the racists to stop being racist.

Cmon TAMU let's get real!

What's preventing a black family from the inner-city, largely reliant on public transportation, from moving to Brookfield??  NOTHING!!!

[mu03eng]

I think you are far underestimating how much race is involved.

Do you mean that race is the underlying issue? I'm willing to believe A) I'm naive and B) that I can't articulate very on this topic.....but I do think race is a large portion of the problem but it is much more subconscious than conscious which means the way you fight it (IMO) is not with overarching labels and aggressive language but with more education around exclusivity and diversity generally and not specific to race. While race is definitely part of the problem I think if you go head on most people's reaction is "I'm not racist, I don't hate people, I have African American friends etc etc" and they don't examine all the subtle ways they could be practicing racism.

[Pakuni]

I remember the online stink that some in the community I live in made about a Walmart being built, or a Milwaukee County bus line being extended....hell the city even got sued for not wanting low income housing. I fully believe there are some in my city that are overt racists, but I think far more of the issue is the view that somehow the "lower" class(economic not racial) would sully the community which results in people of that class not feeling welcome and feel like they have to "stick to their own". Which going back to my previous paragraph means far fewer minorities.

So the problem isn't that minorities and other "lower class" people are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked from living in certain communities .... but rather that they choose not to live in places where they are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked?

[mu03eng]

So the problem isn't that minorities and other "lower class" people are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked from living in certain communities .... but rather that they choose not to live in places where they are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked?

Your first statement is exactly the problem and what I'm saying...not sure where I went wrong that the later was what you thought I was saying

Edit to be very clear:
The problem is that communities are not welcoming to lower class and/or minorities

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Where do Stan Johnson, Chris Carrawell, Jabari Parker, Giannis, etc. live?

I don't think it is the poor neighborhoods.  So the issue is not strictly race.  It is a combination of race and socioeconomic class.

I'll stop there so I don't drift into politics.  Any further discussion would inevitably lead me there and I will respect the mods rules.

[4everwarriors]

Milwaukee doesn't have a black middle class. Until today's youth realizes that der role models need ta be folks who have achieved via education and not by draggin' der pants on the ground, pushin' pills, suckin' outta a brown paper sack, dribbin' a basketball, makin' babies, and collectin' a welfare check, nothin's gonna change, ai na?

[Pakuni]

Your first statement is exactly the problem and what I'm saying...not sure where I went wrong that the later was what you thought I was saying

Edit to be very clear:
The problem is that communities are not welcoming to lower class and/or minorities

Perhaps I misread you? I took your statement to mean you were putting the onus on the minority/lower-class residents to endure the barriers rather than all of us working to remove the barriers.

[Pakuni]

Milwaukee doesn't have a black middle class. Until today's youth realizes that der role models need ta be folks who have achieved via education and not by draggin' der pants on the ground, pushin' pills, suckin' outta a brown paper sack, dribbin' a basketball, makin' babies, and collectin' a welfare check, nothin's gonna change, ai na?

Oh, never mind.

[mu03eng]

Perhaps I misread you? I took your statement to mean you were putting the onus on the minority/lower-class residents to endure the barriers rather than all of us working to remove the barriers.

My apologizes for the poor writing, the onus is on the communities to remove the barriers.

[Pakuni]

My apologizes for the poor writing, the onus is on the communities to remove the barriers.

Got it. My bad for misunderstanding your point.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Hence my point that he needs to get out more

He needs to... choose to go to more racist places?

[mu03eng]

He needs to... choose to go to more racist places?

Feels like your being a little glib here, but I'll bite.

(preface, this is all my opinion)

His statement about Milwaukee's segregation is quantifiable. His statement about racism is qualitative and therefore is subject to experience, context, and opinion. Additionally, declaring a community/city as the most racist place he's ever been is a very significant charge and is essentially like throwing a verbal bomb at the people of that community. If you are going to level that charge, I think you really better have a lot of context and experience behind you to justify it. As I said, I think the majority the inherent racism within the community is either subconcious(lack of understanding/experience) or subtle. Throwing a charge of universal racism at a community is not a very good way to influence either of those groups and create effective change, especially when you lack the context of a broader experience.

Last note, I would encourage everyone to travel outside of their comfort zones....until you see how bad things are you can't get a context for the work that needs to be done and where