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Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« on: September 26, 2016, 05:01:19 PM »
I haven't followed a player's recruitment as closely as this one since Vander I would say. Concerns me that the Crystal Ball guys havent updated at all since his visit and no one has Xavier as an MU lean despite what appears to have a been a very positive visit and a strong interest from both parties. When do those guys usually update? This guy to me looks alot like Gardner with the footwork but with MUCH more athleticsm...Gardner didn't dunk in a game until his senior year from what I remember....Need a big man like this

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 05:04:46 PM »
I think you should ask Jaybee for his opinion.......

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 05:21:37 PM »
Concerns me that the Crystal Ball guys havent updated at all since his visit and no one has Xavier as an MU lean despite what appears to have a been a very positive visit and a strong interest from both parties. When do those guys usually update?

The cristal bowel is just a little marketing toy. Many who play it update when either (a) there is widely-known information that is known by the general public or (b) they are bored and update a punch of little picks (i.e., play the game for fun).

X and mom have been transparent with their plans and timing. Not much for the marketing toy players to react to.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 06:15:15 PM »
If there's a big shift, it will probably start Thursday night or Friday morning. Once those picks get made, it usually means word is out.
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 10:19:03 PM »
I haven't followed a player's recruitment as closely as this one since Vander I would say. Concerns me that the Crystal Ball guys havent updated at all since his visit and no one has Xavier as an MU lean despite what appears to have a been a very positive visit and a strong interest from both parties. When do those guys usually update? This guy to me looks alot like Gardner with the footwork but with MUCH more athleticsm...Gardner didn't dunk in a game until his senior year from what I remember....Need a big man like this
I could be wrong, but I think Gardner hurt his knee when he came down after attempting a dunk in his sophomore year.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 10:32:38 PM »
I think hes going to MSU, we gave it a great shot but if he matches up the pros and cons of the schools and the family and girlfriend angle, we come up a little short. But I,ve  been known to be wrong!

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 10:34:15 PM »
I think hes going to MSU, we gave it a great shot but if he matches up the pros and cons of the schools and the family and girlfriend angle, we come up a little short. But I,ve  been known to be wrong!
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 11:01:22 PM »
Respect the process.
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 11:05:47 PM »
Respect the process.

Yep,  Give it your best shot, and wait.
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 11:38:30 PM »
I'd put it at 50-50-0. With the zero being Purdue.
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 12:25:53 AM »
I could be wrong, but I think Gardner hurt his knee when he came down after attempting a dunk in his sophomore year.

I could be wrong, but I think Gardner got stuffed by the underside of the rim on at least a couple of dunk attempts.
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2016, 05:44:54 AM »
The problem with people's armchair analysis of the pros and cons is that it leaves out probably THE most important factor.  The relationship with the coaches.  We have no idea how he feels about Izzo and company versus Wojo and company.  Just let it play out and see what happens.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2016, 08:31:55 AM »
The problem with people's armchair analysis of the pros and cons is that it leaves out probably THE most important factor.  The relationship with the coaches.  We have no idea how he feels about Izzo and company versus Wojo and company.  Just let it play out and see what happens.

Yep.  More generally, as fans, we see what we perceive to be pros and cons...but its impossible to know how closely our perception matches that of an 18-year old kid most of us have never met.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 08:58:34 AM »
Yep.  More generally, as fans, we see what we perceive to be pros and cons...but its impossible to know how closely our perception matches that of an 18-year old kid most of us have never met.

If a middle aged man was making the decision he would pick the safe choice, the more sure thing.  Lucky for MU X is an 18 year old kid.  That is why the recruiting process is so hard to predict. (Glad my job doesn't depend on it).  You guys have only got a few days to wait for an answer.  Unless you have true inside information lets not try to handicap this based on what we think is important.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 09:07:32 AM »
If a middle aged man was making the decision he would pick the safe choice, the more sure thing.  Lucky for MU X is an 18 year old kid.  That is why the recruiting process is so hard to predict. (Glad my job doesn't depend on it).  You guys have only got a few days to wait for an answer.  Unless you have true inside information lets not try to handicap this based on what we think is important.

I point that has not been suggested is how good is Tillman?  He is ranked in the Top100 for sure, but at the lower end.  At MSU, will he be over-recruited by Izzo.  I am
not sure at Marquette that will happen.  It sounds like Tillman is an undersized 5 or 10 foot range player at the 4.  Where does he fit at MSU vs. MU?  Is Theo John
the same player or Eke?  Differences?

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 09:27:00 AM »
I point that has not been suggested is how good is Tillman?  He is ranked in the Top100 for sure, but at the lower end.  At MSU, will he be over-recruited by Izzo.  I am
not sure at Marquette that will happen.  It sounds like Tillman is an undersized 5 or 10 foot range player at the 4.  Where does he fit at MSU vs. MU?  Is Theo John
the same player or Eke?  Differences?


So our recruiting pitch should be that "you're really not good enough for MSU anyway?"

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2016, 09:30:43 AM »

So our recruiting pitch should be that "you're really not good enough for MSU anyway?"

Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here.  Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2016, 09:36:23 AM »
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Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here.  Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.

Still a pretty weak argument. I'd expect a more positive pitch from the coaching staff.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2016, 09:45:55 AM »
Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here.  Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.

That's a terrible recruiting pitch. Not only is it small-minded thinking, but it's a lie. No chance MU is going to go four years without recruiting another PF (nor, obviously, should they). And promising a kid he'll start for four years? So, if say, MU has a chance to land a McDonald's AA at the same position two years from now they shouldn't?

The pitch should be that Marquette intends to play at the highest level. That means bringing in the best players at ALL positions to compete, and that competition will make Xavier (or whoever else they're recruiting) the best player they can be.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2016, 09:55:20 AM »
Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here.  Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.


You want our coaching staff to promise someone a four-year starting job before his senior year in high school??  And this is after you question how good he really is?
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2016, 10:01:40 AM »
Our recruiting pitch should be, you will start for 4 years here.  Not be over-recruited here, there maybe.

LOL we are recruiting Joey Hauser and Race Thompson hard in the class immediately following him. There will be competition for PT wherever he goes.

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2016, 10:03:34 AM »
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2016, 10:08:24 AM »
If a middle aged man was making the decision he would pick the safe choice, the more sure thing.  Lucky for MU X is an 18 year old kid.  That is why the recruiting process is so hard to predict. (Glad my job doesn't depend on it).  You guys have only got a few days to wait for an answer.  Unless you have true inside information lets not try to handicap this based on what we think is important.

So what's your answer as a middle aged man? A coach that has sent every class (outside of 1 I believe) to the final four? Or a coach that hasn't coached a single post season game. Not a knock on wojo, takes time...but I'm confused by your analysis. Looks to me that Tillman would play day 1 at MSU. You're talking about a top 5 program that has made you a priority. I hope he comes to MU, but it would be hard to say no to that. if by safe you mean floor time, there's no guarantee at MU. John and Heldt will compete for his minutes. 

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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2016, 10:21:54 AM »
That's a terrible recruiting pitch. Not only is it small-minded thinking, but it's a lie. No chance MU is going to go four years without recruiting another PF (nor, obviously, should they). And promising a kid he'll start for four years? So, if say, MU has a chance to land a McDonald's AA at the same position two years from now they shouldn't?

+1.  Has the "I will be the best husband ever because I'm so out of your league" proposal ever worked in the history of everything?
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Re: Xavier Tillman and the Crystal Ball
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2016, 10:29:47 AM »
Well, Jim McIlvaine was ranked slightly higher than Tillman is (mid 70s, IIRC) and Kevin O'Neill kept him away from UCLA by using the "they'll recruit over you" pitch sucessfully.
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