Big East Coaching Stability.

[Herman Cain]

You are right, the non-conference is important. That's why scheduling 12 teams instead of 12 teams plus an RPI suck like Grambling is a great idea.

Who said the 13th has to be a sucky team.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Who said the 13th has to be a sucky team.

Because the only reason you don't schedule a 13th game is because the only schools you could find were the sucky ones.

We were supposed to play Utah. It fell apart due to scheduling issues. Only teams left would have been crap.

[Herman Cain]

Because the only reason you don't schedule a 13th game is because the only schools you could find were the sucky ones.

We were supposed to play Utah. It fell apart due to scheduling issues. Only teams left would have been crap.

Win versus no Win, I will take a win.

[fjm]

A win vs a very low ranked team will only lower our RPI. Which was a clear issue last year.

[brewcity77]

Win versus no Win, I will take a win.

A NCAA bid is worth more than an extra win. Playing teams that lower your RPI, at least as long as RPI remains such a heavy factor in influencing who is in and out, is a mistake. Marquette is better off not playing that game than taking a team that will hurt their resume, especially when they are likely to be a bubble team already.

At this time of year, there are two types of teams you can get for that buy game. Someone awful that no one else wants to play, or someone really dangerous that everyone is afraid to play. It's basically a Grambling or Stephen F Austin type debate. Beating Grambling hurts you, losing to SFA hurts you. There's a reason those types of teams have trouble filling their schedules, and we aren't in a position to throw either type of team a bone when we're already likely to be sitting on our hands come Selection Sunday.

[Badgerhoney]

Cancel the season, someone said Wisconsin has Final Four potential.

Of course Wisconsin has the potential to do big things.  They play in the B1G.  Since you evidently think UW belongs to the Big East?  Remember when UW lost to the 7th and 8th place teams in the Big East, 1 at home and 1 on a neutral court, and then finished 3rd in the B1G?  Heck, you lost at home to a 5th place Horizon League team and a dead last Summit League team at home before going 12-6 in the B1G.  Come join a real conference and let's see how your season goes.

What's Bo up to these days?

Thanks for your contribution to the Big East Coaching Stability thread.  Very important!  And hey, if it turns out to be true that UW does, in fact, make it to the Final Four, at least that means at least one B1G team can get past the Sweet 16 this season for a change!  Maybe they can win the first national title for the B1G in 17 years!  An outstanding 1 title in the last 27 years for the almighty B1G!  The Big East and AAC are both 3 years into existence and have equaled that.  What a joke.

Some teams take a little longer to gel.  Would you rather be playing well in December or March?

[wadesworld]

Some teams take a little longer to gel.  Would you rather be playing well in December or March?

I'd love to have the easy B1G schedule vs. the tough Big East schedule when the top teams are created as equals. Maybe your "playing well in March" will get you a B1G team in the E8 next year! Heck, maybe I'll even see a 2nd B1G team win a national title sometime in my lifetime!

[Badgerhoney]

I'd love to have the easy B1G schedule vs. the tough Big East schedule when the top teams are created as equals. Maybe your "playing well in March" will get you a B1G team in the E8 next year! Heck, maybe I'll even see a 2nd B1G team win a national title sometime in my lifetime!

We played the 17th toughest schedule in the nation.  Marquette played the 107th. 

In the last 30 years, the Big East has won one title.  The Big Ten has won four.   Are you less than 15 years old, otherwise you have seen two already. 

[wadesworld]

We played the 17th toughest schedule in the nation.  Marquette played the 107th. 

In the last 30 years, the Big East has won one title.  The Big Ten has won four.   Are you less than 15 years old, otherwise you have seen two already.

Weird. Curious to know who in the B1G has won a national title since MSU in 2000. That's more than 15 years with 0 titles.

The Big East has been around for 3 years and already had as many titles as the B1G in the past 25 years.

You aren't very good at math are you? Maybe you played football at UW@Madison? Can't even count to 15 using fingers and toes but still was on the Dean's List at UW@Madison!

[Badgerhoney]

Weird. Curious to know who in the B1G has won a national title since MSU in 2000. That's more than 15 years with 0 titles.

The Big East has been around for 3 years and already had as many titles as the B1G in the past 25 years.

You aren't very good at math are you? Maybe you played football at UW@Madison? Can't even count to 15 using fingers and toes but still was on the Dean's List at UW@Madison!

Championships follow schools to their new conferences.   The Big East is not three years old.  It was created in 1979, you can confirm that on the official Big East website.  Not 3 years old, but almost 40.  How's my math?

In 2002, Maryland won the national title.  Maryland was then part of the ACC, it is now part of the Big Ten, and championships follow schools to their conferences. 

Prior to Villanova winning this year, the previous Big East title was in 1985.   Since 1985, the Big Ten won titles in 1987, 1989, 2000, and 2002. 

[wadesworld]

Championships follow schools to their new conferences.   The Big East is not three years old.  It was created in 1979, you can confirm that on the official Big East website.  Not 3 years old, but almost 40.  How's my math?

In 2002, Maryland won the national title.  Maryland was then part of the ACC, it is now part of the Big Ten, and championships follow schools to their conferences. 

Prior to Villanova winning this year, the previous Big East title was in 1985.   Since 1985, the Big Ten won titles in 1987, 1989, 2000, and 2002.

Yeah when your conference has 1 national title since 1990 you do have to pretend that a school's title for a different conference counts towards yours. Good stuff.

[forgetful]

Championships follow schools to their new conferences.   The Big East is not three years old.  It was created in 1979, you can confirm that on the official Big East website.  Not 3 years old, but almost 40.  How's my math?

In 2002, Maryland won the national title.  Maryland was then part of the ACC, it is now part of the Big Ten, and championships follow schools to their conferences. 

Prior to Villanova winning this year, the previous Big East title was in 1985.   Since 1985, the Big Ten won titles in 1987, 1989, 2000, and 2002.

If we are going to use the entire 40 year history of the BE, then:

2016  NOVA
2013  Louisville
2011  UCONN
2004  UCONN
2003  Syracuse
1999  UCONN
1985  NOVA
1984  Georgetown

So since 1985, the BE has won 7 NCAA titles and 8 since 1984. 

[Herman Cain]

A NCAA bid is worth more than an extra win. Playing teams that lower your RPI, at least as long as RPI remains such a heavy factor in influencing who is in and out, is a mistake. Marquette is better off not playing that game than taking a team that will hurt their resume, especially when they are likely to be a bubble team already.

At this time of year, there are two types of teams you can get for that buy game. Someone awful that no one else wants to play, or someone really dangerous that everyone is afraid to play. It's basically a Grambling or Stephen F Austin type debate. Beating Grambling hurts you, losing to SFA hurts you. There's a reason those types of teams have trouble filling their schedules, and we aren't in a position to throw either type of team a bone when we're already likely to be sitting on our hands come Selection Sunday.

We are at the stage in our program where we need wins for optical reasons. We could play a D2 like Grand Valley State which would not count toward RPI.

I want to see us get to the 20 win mark again.  To get to the NCAA we need 5th or higher in the Big East which is a tall order.

[rocky_warrior]

In 2002, Maryland won the national title.  Maryland was then part of the ACC, it is now part of the Big Ten, and championships follow schools to their conferences. 

Yeah..about that.  Sports reference disagrees with you.  Perhaps the BIG1? media guide has it's own PR agenda, but that title is with the ACC.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-ten/ncaa.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/acc/ncaa.html

[wadesworld]

Yeah..about that.  Sports reference disagrees with you.  Perhaps the BIG1? media guide has it's own PR agenda, but that title is with the ACC.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-ten/ncaa.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/acc/ncaa.html

Oops?

[tower912]

Badger honeys are notoriously poor at facts, consistency, and avoiding hypocrisy.  Thanks for the unintended comedy.  Or, to borrow from The Rock, thanks for knowing your role.

[brewcity77]

Badger honeys are notoriously poor at facts, consistency, and avoiding hypocrisy.  Thanks for the unintended comedy.  Or, to borrow from The Rock, thanks for knowing your role.

Pretty sure you left out a key component of that, being the "and shut your mouth".

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Championships follow schools to their new conferences.   The Big East is not three years old.  It was created in 1979

Actually this is incorrect. When the C7 split off from the football schools they created a new conference but secured the the Big East brand. The football schools were still considered to be in the same conference but it was renamed to the American Athletic Conference.

So yes, the Big East has more championships in its three years of existence than the B1G has had in the last 16....Unless you want to do something shady, like count Maryland's championship that they won in the ACC towards the B1G's count, lol.

[Herman Cain]

Actually this is incorrect. When the C7 split off from the football schools they created a new conference but secured the the Big East brand. The football schools were still considered to be in the same conference but it was renamed to the American Athletic Conference.

So yes, the Big East has more championships in its three years of existence than the B1G has had in the last 16....Unless you want to do something shady, like count Maryland's championship that they won in the ACC towards the B1G's count, lol.

Here is a link to the Big East 2015-16 Basketball Media Guide this gives a good perspective of how the Conference considers its past records and championships.

https://issuu.com/pflenke/docs/bembb2016_all__1_

[wadesworld]

Did Michigan, Michigan State, UW, Rutgers, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State, Ohio State, etc. get conference shares for Maryland's 2002 NCAA championship?  I think we all know the answer.  But when you pretend you're one of the top conferences in the country but only have 1 title in the past 25+ years, desperation tends to settle in and you act like Maryland's NCAA Championship as a member of the ACC counts for you because they switched over 12 years later.

[tower912]

By that logic, MU's sweet 16 run under KO counts toward the Big East's total.   

[wadesworld]

By that logic, MU's sweet 16 run under KO counts toward the Big East's total.

Can't believe Al got the Big East a title.  People say he was revolutionary to the sport of college basketball.  I never thought it was so much so that he won a national title for a conference that didn't even exist at the time he was coaching.

[jsglow]

Can't believe Al got the Big East a title.  People say he was revolutionary to the sport of college basketball.  I never thought it was so much so that he won a national title for a conference that didn't even exist at the time he was coaching.