Bucks N Buycks

[wadesworld]

I get that this isn't the NBA but I'll take Buycks over any PG on the Bucks roster. The kid has game.

[Herman Cain]

I get that this isn't the NBA but I'll take Buycks over any PG on the Bucks roster. The kid has game.

I agree with this analysis.

[GGGG]

I'm watching old, fat Jason Williams tearing it up and thinking that this isn't the best environment to judge a player.

[Lighthouse 84]

I agree with this analysis.

Serious questions....what's the percentage of your posts that say simply, "I agree with this analysis " and is this just to raise your click total? 

[BM1090]

I'm watching old, fat Jason Williams tearing it up and thinking that this isn't the best environment to judge a player.

Bibby is the fat one

Williams actually looks to be in good shape but he has to be close to 40 or over at this point.

[tower912]

Serious questions....what's the percentage of your posts that say simply, "I agree with this analysis " and is this just to raise your click total?

That, lamenting that MU didn't try harder for Kostas, and being glad that the coaching staff is pursuing 'X'. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I agree with this analysis.

Don't force Tex to go back to praising Dawson in every post.

[forgetful]

I'm watching old, fat Jason Williams tearing it up and thinking that this isn't the best environment to judge a player.

Buycks averaged 9 ppg in the NBA for the Lakers 2 years ago (yes small sample size) though.  He can play in the NBA and he is better than the current options for the Bucks.

They should give him a chance.

[BM1090]

I'm watching old, fat Jason Williams tearing it up and thinking that this isn't the best environment to judge a player.

Bibby and Williams lost by 30.

[GGGG]

Buycks averaged 9 ppg in the NBA for the Lakers 2 years ago (yes small sample size) though.  He can play in the NBA and he is better than the current options for the Bucks.

They should give him a chance.

He played a bunch of garbage games in April for a bottom feeding Lakers team.  Bucks can give him a chance no doubt, but he is what he is.

[Herman Cain]

He played a bunch of garbage games in April for a bottom feeding Lakers team.  Bucks can give him a chance no doubt, but he is what he is.

Here is a nice memory of Buycks time with the Lakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JqrwjrgANQ

[forgetful]

He played a bunch of garbage games in April for a bottom feeding Lakers team.  Bucks can give him a chance no doubt, but he is what he is.

Personally, I think Buycks would be a step up from Delleadova, and think they just wasted $10M a year on a well below average player.

[BM1090]

He played a bunch of garbage games in April for a bottom feeding Lakers team.  Bucks can give him a chance no doubt, but he is what he is.

I think he could earn a spot in the NBA and wouldn't be surprised if he was playing in the NBA this year. He had a private tryout a few months ago with an NBA team, Portland I think? He wasn't signed, but he's about as close to being an NBA player as you can be without being in the league.

Nobody else on the roster has a real chance. Jamil will have a nice pro career, but not in the NBA

[damuts222]

But but but Dakich said that Gardner could be in NBA if he was in great shape. Except for the fact that he can't jump..it's the Gardner shuffle. Very skilled big man just can't jump and is 2-3" too short.

[forgetful]

I think he could earn a spot in the NBA and wouldn't be surprised if he was playing in the NBA this year. He had a private tryout a few months ago with an NBA team, Portland I think? He wasn't signed, but he's about as close to being an NBA player as you can be without being in the league.

Nobody else on the roster has a real chance. Jamil will have a nice pro career, but not in the NBA

If I remember correctly, his going overseas was his choice and he could have stayed and played in the NBA (well had a contract).

He wanted to play and has good paying opportunities overseas.

[Herman Cain]

Personally, I think Buycks would be a step up from Delleadova, and think they just wasted $10M a year on a well below average player.

I agree with this analysis.

[Herman Cain]

That, lamenting that MU didn't try harder for Kostas, and being glad that the coaching staff is pursuing 'X'.

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I am now in the acceptance phase relative to the death of our recruitment of the player noted above.

[wadesworld]

I meant it half as Buycks is a heck of a player, and half as Delly and MCW are horrible NBA point guards.  Buycks has a combination of athleticism and shooting that neither Delly nor MCW have (Delly can I guess hit wide open 3s when LeBron and Kyrie are on the court leaving him wide open, and MCW is a fairly good athlete, though doesn't have good foot speed).  If Buycks could play within the team concept (I don't know either way whether he could or not) and defend, he'd definitely be worth a look.

[WarriorFan]

It's like this... Buycks can go overseas and make high 6 figures while playing 25-30 mins/game and being a go to scorer, or he can rid the pine for the NBA minimum.  If it's me, I'll take the money and the PT.

Dellavadova will get found out now that he's in another system.  He's just a foul looking for a place to happen on D, and generally a liability on O.  The only reason he ever scored is because no-one ever guarded him due to LeBron, Love, Kyrie, etc.  Very bad spend by the Bucks, who could have gotten Buycks for $2m/year.

[GGGG]

Personally, I think Buycks would be a step up from Delleadova, and think they just wasted $10M a year on a well below average player.

Not saying the Bucks didn't overpay for Delladova, but he has been a decent NBA back up for three seasons and was a MUCH better college player. There is no evidence to suggest that Dwight would be a step up.

[brewcity77]

Buycks looks like a NBA player in this environment. He's clearly one of the elite players in this tournament. However the game speed, the level of competition, and the team chemistry here is nothing like the NBA, so I'm not convinced that means a ton. I loved his potential when he was here and thought he had NBA talent. Doubt he'll ever be a regular, but love seeing a guy truly maximize his talent.

[rocket surgeon]

Personally, I think Buycks would be a step up from Delleadova, and think they just wasted $10M a year on a well below average player.

I agree with your analysis(click bump, EyN'a) but I also noted back when he was playing with us that he had the court awareness to make an adequate pro baller.  I loved how he saw the court. I'm not a Della fan at all. He tries to make up for his lack of talent with high energy- nothing wrong with that except with the high energy, he tends to play out of control and his wild swings for the ball, well, ya'll see what can happen.  Just axk mr iguadala his boys

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Buycks reminds me of a guy like Diener - could hang in the NBA for quite a while at the end of the bench - but may be better from a money standpoint off in Europe being a go to guy/starter for a longer period of time. 

Of course that equation may be changing with the new NBA deal. 

[willie warrior]

But but but Dakich said that Gardner could be in NBA if he was in great shape. Except for the fact that he can't jump..it's the Gardner shuffle. Very skilled big man just can't jump and is 2-3" too short.

Regardless...we must always...always...remember the ox.

[GGGG]

Buycks reminds me of a guy like Diener - could hang in the NBA for quite a while at the end of the bench - but may be better from a money standpoint off in Europe being a go to guy/starter for a longer period of time. 

Of course that equation may be changing with the new NBA deal.

Except he hasn't.  At Dwight's current age, Travis played in well over 150 NBA games and was on an NBA roster every year in the league.

[brewcity77]

Except he hasn't.  At Dwight's current age, Travis played in well over 150 NBA games and was on an NBA roster every year in the league.

I like Dwight, but he's no Diener. Travis had NBA offers when he left but got a lucrative deal in Italy that allowed him to play with his cousin. I think he easily could have played 5-6 more years in the league, but followed his wishes, and nothing wrong with that.

[GGGG]

Travis was waived by two teams his last year in the league.  (Was he coming off an injury?)  I'm not sure he could have been in the league another 5-6.  He was also very successful in one of the best leagues in Europe. 

[jsglow]

Travis was waived by two teams his last year in the league.  (Was he coming off an injury?)  I'm not sure he could have been in the league another 5-6.  He was also very successful in one of the best leagues in Europe.

Correct.  Travis had a nice run and to put Buycks in his same class is way off.  He might have squeezed another year out of the NBA but his time in any regular rotation was quickly coming to an end.  He went to Italy and made bank for several years.

I sometimes wonder if Travis has made a conscious decision NOT to immediately seek an Assistant's role.  In his current position he isn't forced to travel/recruit while he has a young child at home.  I know from personal connections that part of the decision to come home from Italy perhaps a little early was largely family related.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Correct.  Travis had a nice run and to put Buycks in his same class is way off.  He might have squeezed another year out of the NBA but his time in any regular rotation was quickly coming to an end.  He went to Italy and made bank for several years.

I sometimes wonder if Travis has made a conscious decision NOT to immediately seek an Assistant's role.  In his current position he isn't forced to travel/recruit while he has a young child at home.  I know from personal connections that part of the decision to come home from Italy perhaps a little early was largely family related.

Pretty sure Travis has openly said this

[wadesworld]

Buycks is an NBA player. Not only is his offense on that level but his defense is really good when it needs to be.

[Herman Cain]

Buycks is an NBA player. Not only is his offense on that level but his defense is really good when it needs to be.

I agree with this analysis.

[brandx]

Not saying the Bucks didn't overpay for Delladova, but he has been a decent NBA back up for three seasons and was a MUCH better college player. There is no evidence to suggest that Dwight would be a step up.

Couldn't agree more.

[martyconlonontherun]

I meant it half as Buycks is a heck of a player, and half as Delly and MCW are horrible NBA point guards.  Buycks has a combination of athleticism and shooting that neither Delly nor MCW have (Delly can I guess hit wide open 3s when LeBron and Kyrie are on the court leaving him wide open, and MCW is a fairly good athlete, though doesn't have good foot speed).  If Buycks could play within the team concept (I don't know either way whether he could or not) and defend, he'd definitely be worth a look.

You realize that he is a career 40% 3 point shooter and shot 37% without LBJ as a rookie. Hopefully, with point Giannis he will be getting a ton of open 3s with teams packing the lane. I really this board is overrating Buycks. He's a fringe player that has only played 20 NBA games. I highly doubt he chose to play in Europe if he was able to get a full NBA contract.

As for his D, Beal called him the league's best defender and advanced stats put him well above the league average for guards despite being slowed down last year by nagging injuries.

I'm not a big Dellavedova guy, but there is some crazy homerism is in here saying Buycks is better.

[wadesworld]

You realize that he is a career 40% 3 point shooter and shot 37% without LBJ as a rookie. Hopefully, with point Giannis he will be getting a ton of open 3s with teams packing the lane. I really this board is overrating Buycks. He's a fringe player that has only played 20 NBA games. I highly doubt he chose to play in Europe if he was able to get a full NBA contract.

As for his D, Beal called him the league's best defender and advanced stats put him well above the league average for guards despite being slowed down last year by nagging injuries.

I'm not a big Dellavedova guy, but there is some crazy homerism is in here saying Buycks is better.

"Delly" has made 1.0 3 pointers per game in his 3 seasons as an NBA player.  People continually talk about the Bucks addressing their need for 3 point shooting by signing Teletovic and Delly.  Delly is not, by any means, a 3 point shooter.  If you have Giannis running the 1 then your 2 needs to be able to shoot the 3, because your 1 certainly isn't going to be doing that.  Delly can't do that.  Guys like Marvin Williams, Jae Crowder, Matt Barnes, Omri Casspi, Patrick Patterson, etc. (none of whom I would consider to be big time 3 point shooters) made more 3 pointers than Delly did last season (a career high in 3 point field goals).  Delly does absolutely nothing to help the Bucks lack of perimeter shooting.  In fact I would, without hesitation, consider Bayless, Mayo, and even Vasquez, none of whom will be back in the Bucks backcourt, to be better 3 point shooters than Delly.

If you think teams respect Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton like they do LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love, you're fooling yourself.  Delly will have far worse looks on the Bucks than he could get on the Cavs.

I'm not overly familiar with defensive advanced statistics but for his career he's averaged 0.93 defensive win shares for his 3 year career.  Again, I'm very familiar with the numbers, but if that's "well above average for NBA guards" then NBA guards must be pretty poor on the defensive side of the ball on average.

I will give Delly this, he does a good job at making the guy he is guarding work to get the ball.  He's willing to be physical off the ball and work really hard to not let his guy get easy touches.  In my opinion, he plays the Badgers "grab and pull" defense and is able to get away with it a lot.  As an on ball defender?  Meh.

He tries really hard.  That's about all I can say he does above average for the NBA.

[BM1090]

You realize that he is a career 40% 3 point shooter and shot 37% without LBJ as a rookie. Hopefully, with point Giannis he will be getting a ton of open 3s with teams packing the lane. I really this board is overrating Buycks. He's a fringe player that has only played 20 NBA games. I highly doubt he chose to play in Europe if he was able to get a full NBA contract.

As for his D, Beal called him the league's best defender and advanced stats put him well above the league average for guards despite being slowed down last year by nagging injuries.

I'm not a big Dellavedova guy, but there is some crazy homerism is in here saying Buycks is better.

I think it's partly due to homerism and partly because Delly is just a really easy guy to dislike. But he's a useful player.

[brandx]

He tries really hard.  That's about all I can say he does above average for the NBA.

Everybody in the NBA tries real hard.

[brandx]

Buycks is an NBA player. Not only is his offense on that level but his defense is really good when it needs to be.

Hard to find a place for a guy who is 6'2" in the NBA other than PG and Buycks is not an NBA PG by any stretch of the imagination.

Every NBA GM and coach would take issue with the statement that Buycks is better than Delly.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I thought Buycks decision making was a big reason MU lost that game last night. Poor shot selection and turnovers in big situations. He was great for 4/5 of the game and awful for that last 1/5. Seems like the exact same player other than he's looks like he has a better handle.