So now what??

[Tugg Speedman]

Just announced ... Kalif Young to PC

Wally shown the door to make room for him and he did not show.

What other options do we have?

Because if we don't get someone better than Wally, Wojo made this team worse by cutting Wally and replacing him with nothing.

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I'm having a hard time believing next year's team is better than last year's team.  And last year's team could not make the NIT with a lottery pick.

[wadesworld]

Just announced ... Kalif Young to PC

Wally shown the door to make room for him and he did not show.

What other options do we have?

Because if we don't get someone better than Wally, Wojo made this team worse by cutting Wally and replacing him with nothing.

No.

[Tugg Speedman]

No.

You're wrong.  We are another 8 - 10 BE team, season over after second round loss in the BET

[MomofMUltiples]

We have at least four threads going on this topic, the chief one being the recruiting thread.  No need to start another one.

[wadesworld]

You're wrong.  We are another 8 - 10 BE team, season over after second round loss in the BET

And Kalif Young would've made us...what?  Exactly?  Or Walter Ellenson?

[wadesworld]

We have at least four threads going on this topic, the chief one being the recruiting thread.  No need to start another one.

Heise didn't start them, so he doesn't get credit for the Scoop Clicks.  So of course there was a reason for another thread!

[Tugg Speedman]

And Kalif Young would've made us...what?  Exactly?  Or Walter Ellenson?

A 6'9" power forward is the biggest need this team has. 

To be clear, I was OK with letting Wally go.  I took it as a sign that Wojo had some better "in the bag."  It is now looking like he had nothing, and worse, was deluding himself that he actually had something.

[MomofMUltiples]

Heise didn't start them, so he doesn't get credit for the Scoop Clicks.  So of course there was a reason for another thread!

I know.  With the political board gone, he's got to find his clicks elsewhere.

[wadesworld]

A 6'9" power forward is the biggest need this team has. 

To be clear, I was OK with letting Wally go.  I took it as a sign that Wojo had some better "in the bag."  It is now looking like he had nothing, and worse, was deluding himself that he actually had something.

No, not at all.

But yeah, the sky is falling, Wojo is in over his head, Wojo doesn't know where he stands, etc.

[Tugg Speedman]

No, not at all.

But yeah, the sky is falling, Wojo is in over his head, Wojo doesn't know where he stands, etc.

Actually I like Wojo.  But I'm not going to torture all logic to say this is fine or no big deal.  It is a big deal, that can only be salvaged with another player in the next few weeks.

It's these post season transfers that he whiffs on.  Shonn and Lee last year and Gill and Young this year.  And he compounded this year's whiff by dumping Wally when he had nothing.

[wadesworld]

Actually I like Wojo.  But I'm not going to torture all logic to say this is fine or no big deal.  It is a big deal, that can only be salvaged with another player in the next few weeks.

It's these post season transfers that he whiffs on.  Shonn and Lee last year and Gill and Young this year.  And he compounded this year's whiff by dumping Wally when he had nothing.

Okay.  You're right.

[uncle zeffy]

What other options do we have?

we can do what the internet does best. play arm chair quarterback and make knee jerk reactions.

[wadesworld]

we can do what the internet does best. play arm chair quarterback and make knee jerk reactions.

'zactly.

[Dawson Rental]

Just announced ... Kalif Young to PC

Wally shown the door to make room for him and he did not show.

What other options do we have?

Because if we don't get someone better than Wally, Wojo made this team worse by cutting Wally and replacing him with nothing.

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I'm having a hard time believing next year's team is better than last year's team.  And last year's team could not make the NIT with a lottery pick.

SO NOW WHAT??

1.  (and this has already happened) You get hysterical.

2.  Wojo prepares a roster of 12 pretty darn good players to play next season.

3.  Next year's team plays more like Villanova did last year, then Marquette did last year.

3.  Players who commit to Marquette for basketball know that basketball must be their top priority or they will not be kept on basketball scholarship.

4. Marquette is in a better position to land big men for the 2017 class due to more minutes being available.

[wadesworld]

SO NOW WHAT

1.  (and this has already happened) You get hysterical.

2.  Wojo prepares a roster of 12 pretty darn good players to play next season.

3.  Next year's team plays more like Villanova did last year, then Marquette did last year.

3.  Players who commit to Marquette for basketball know that basketball must be their top priority or they will not be kept on basketball scholarship.

4. Marquette is in a better position to land big men for the 2017 class due to more minutes being available.

Bingo.

[willie warrior]

A 6'9" power forward is the biggest need this team has. 

To be clear, I was OK with letting Wally go.  I took it as a sign that Wojo had some better "in the bag."  It is now looking like he had nothing, and worse, was deluding himself that he actually had something.

[/quote
What he had in the bag was douche, as in doichebag. Guess we will become Villanova next year, and go with 4 guards.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Actually I like Wojo.  But I'm not going to torture all logic to say this is fine or no big deal.  It is a big deal, that can only be salvaged with another player in the next few weeks.

It's these post season transfers that he whiffs on.  Shonn and Lee last year and Gill and Young this year.  And he compounded this year's whiff by dumping Wally when he had nothing.

1. Katin Reinhardt
2. Matt Carlino
3. Young isn't a transfer
4. He lost out on Lee and Miller to two blue blood programs, I guess technically a whiff but hardly an unforgivable one
5. HOT TAKES!!!!

[Tugg Speedman]

We have two guys over 6'6" and they will never be on the floor at the same time. 

[GGGG]

If Wojo was primarily concerned about next year, I think Wally would have helped us more that Kalif would have.

[jficke13]

We should probably panic.

[KampusFoods]

We have two guys over 6'6" and they will never be on the floor at the same time.

We had two 6'11 guys start for us and play 28+ mins last season. One was 1st team all Big-East and a lottery pick. We missed the NIT.

Would have liked Kalif but he wasn't the piece that was gonna get us to the next level. Let's see how Fishy and the Shooters do. I for one think we have a better team next year. It's the year after that I'm worried about. 2017 is a yuge recruiting year.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

So now what?  We play ball with who we got.

[Hubert Davis]

Wojo sucks.

[Dawson Rental]

Wojo sucks.

You just lost.

[uncle zeffy]

missed a golden opportunity...

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/d-hDl6OALv4?version=3&amp;autoplay=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/d-hDl6OALv4?version=3&amp;autoplay=0</a>

[WarriorInNYC]

1. Katin Reinhardt
2. Matt Carlino
3. Young isn't a transfer
4. He lost out on Lee and Miller to two blue blood programs, I guess technically a whiff but hardly an unforgivable one
5. HOT TAKES!!!!

I would even throw Gabe Levin in there since he really only ended up leaving once he realized HE was coming and his playing time was going to be dramatically reduced.

[HoopsterBC]

Now you have 4 openings for next year. or Charlie Mathews from Kentucky?  He almost came once before.  That would be a good pick-up, take the spot of JJJ
the following year.  I like that!

[brewcity77]

Now you have 4 openings for next year. or Charlie Mathews from Kentucky?  He almost came once before.  That would be a good pick-up, take the spot of JJJ
the following year.  I like that!

Pass on Matthews. We don't need another 2/3 player on this roster, and he was recruited by Buzz the last time. Highly doubt he'd have much interest in MU now, and I'd guess MU would have less interest in him.

[Newsdreams]

All Crean's fault!!!!!

[tower912]

Clearly, the answer is to start another thread.    MU will be better next year.    Fringe tournament team.    Assuming no injuries to Luke or Heldt. 

[real chili 83]

I know.  With the political board gone, he's got to find his clicks elsewhere.

Hey, what happened to the politics board???

[HoopsterBC]

Pass on Matthews. We don't need another 2/3 player on this roster, and he was recruited by Buzz the last time. Highly doubt he'd have much interest in MU now, and I'd guess MU would have less interest in him.

Brew, I do not think you can pass on anybody.  If he is interested, try again.  There is a spot for him.  Wojo, has not sealed the deal the last 2 years on kids in the
spring and other than Hauser,  the recruits have followed Stan Johnson it seems so far, great big up by Wojo.   Next year will be very interesting that is for sure, on the recruiting front.

[Stretchdeltsig]

We had two 6'11 guys start for us and play 28+ mins last season. One was 1st team all Big-East and a lottery pick. We missed the NIT.

Would have liked Kalif but he wasn't the piece that was gonna get us to the next level. Let's see how Fishy and the Shooters do. I for one think we have a better team next year. It's the year after that I'm worried about. 2017 is a yuge recruiting year.

Agree 100%.  I am excited about our team.  We are loaded with shooters.  We had athletes instead of shooters for so many years.  This year we will be fast, aggressive and score a lot of points.  Can't wait. 

[GGGG]

Hey, what happened to the politics board???

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51888.0

[real chili 83]

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51888.0

Thanks Sultan.  Not surprised at all. 

[brandx]

You're wrong.  We are another 8 - 10 BE team, season over after second round loss in the BET

Maybe .. who knows?

But if so, it won't be because a 3-star project decided not to come here.

[We R Final Four]

It's these post season transfers that he whiffs on.  Shonn and Lee last year and Gill and Young this year.  And he compounded this year's whiff by dumping Wally when he had nothing.

I am quite confident that Heisy will reiterate this sentiment---which he has from last years "whiffs" for the next 3 years. Too tough day for Heisy.

[muwar2003]

I wonder if we get 3 bigs next year, how will Joey Hauser like the situation. 

[Jay Bee]

I wonder if we get 3 bigs next year, how will Joey Hauser like the situation.

No problem. I'd sell Joey on him being a "3/4... we want you to demonstrate ALL your skills... "

He's versatile enough that you let him know he's got minutes coming and I think you're good...

[brewcity77]

Brew, I do not think you can pass on anybody.  If he is interested, try again.  There is a spot for him.  Wojo, has not sealed the deal the last 2 years on kids in the
spring and other than Hauser,  the recruits have followed Stan Johnson it seems so far, great big up by Wojo.   Next year will be very interesting that is for sure, on the recruiting front.

Wojo didn't recruit him, which means building a relationship from scratch. We could still use a big body next year and he wouldn't address that. There's no logical reason to pursue him.

Matthews wasn't interested in THIS Marquette. The coaching staff changed, which means everything changed. There is zero continuity. Would be a complete waste of recruiting resources.

[Big Papi]

If Wojo was primarily concerned about next year, I think Wally would have helped us more that Kalif would have.

At the same time, it would have been nice to have some size this year in the understudy role where they could really step in when Fish graduates.  Instead we will have to rely on freshmen bigs.  YUCK!!!

I hate to say it but this program is spinning its wheels more than going places.  And for those who keep brining up Villanova small ball and winning, we are not even close to Villanova talent at this point in time.  Maybe in a couple of years but I don't want to be 6 years removed from being in the NCAA tournament.

[MUfan12]

This is an NIT team, just like it would have been with Young.

There are better PF options in the 2017 class. Go get one of those cats instead.

[4everwarriors]

Dude from Kentucky is transferrin'. Originally from Chicago so let's get 'im, hey?

[Earl Tatum]

Personally---I think MU Basketball is at an all-time low to recruits Popularity is gone. . Young was rated No. 326 on one poll. These are the type of players we get excited about! WOW! Hope next year
recruiting is better, otherwise we will go to a low D-1 level. Probably are a low D-1 mid-major now.
Saw many good MU teams, how this program has tumbled. Buzz left the cupboard bare.
But--WE ARE MARQUETTE!

[GGGG]

At the same time, it would have been nice to have some size this year in the understudy role where they could really step in when Fish graduates.  Instead we will have to rely on freshmen bigs.  YUCK!!!

I hate to say it but this program is spinning its wheels more than going places.  And for those who keep brining up Villanova small ball and winning, we are not even close to Villanova talent at this point in time.  Maybe in a couple of years but I don't want to be 6 years removed from being in the NCAA tournament.

That's my point though. Kalif would have been a good get for the lomg run. IMO he wouldn't have made much of a difference next year.

I guess we will see next year right?

[GGGG]

Personally---I think MU Basketball is at an all-time low to recruits Popularity is gone. . Young was rated No. 326 on one poll. These are the type of players we get excited about! WOW! Hope next year
recruiting is better, otherwise we will go to a low D-1 level. Probably are a low D-1 mid-major now.
Saw many good MU teams, how this program has tumbled. Buzz left the cupboard bare.
But--WE ARE MARQUETTE!

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

Back to back top 20 classes and we are a mid major program and recruits don't like us anymore.

Some people need a lesson in logic.

[MU82]

Personally---I think MU Basketball is at an all-time low to recruits Popularity is gone. . Young was rated No. 326 on one poll. These are the type of players we get excited about! WOW! Hope next year
recruiting is better, otherwise we will go to a low D-1 level. Probably are a low D-1 mid-major now.
Saw many good MU teams, how this program has tumbled. Buzz left the cupboard bare.
But--WE ARE MARQUETTE!

Yes, recruits obviously hate us.

That's why we had a top-10 recruiting class in Wojo's first year and a top-20 this time.

I think you answered Heisy's question with, "Make dopey posts."

[Herman Cain]

Dude from Kentucky is transferrin'. Originally from Chicago so let's get 'im, hey?

I agree with this analysis.

[forgetful]

Quickly looking at current NBA early entries that have yet to sign with an agent.  I'd give my left nut for the following:

Jimmy Hall; Kent state   6'8" 235 lbs, averaged 16.4 pts 7.9 rbs
Marc-Eddy Norelia; FGCU  6'8" 218 lbs, averaged 17.1 pts 9.3 rbs
Alec Peters; Valpo  6'9: 230 lbs, averaged  18.4 pts 8.5 rbs


1/2 a nut:

Andrew White III; Nebraska  6'7" 220 lb, averaged 16.6 pls, 5.9 rbs

[Herman Cain]

Quickly looking at current NBA early entries that have yet to sign with an agent.  I'd give my left nut for the following:

Jimmy Hall; Kent state   6'8" 235 lbs, averaged 16.4 pts 7.9 rbs
Marc-Eddy Norelia; FGCU  6'8" 218 lbs, averaged 17.1 pts 9.3 rbs
Alec Peters; Valpo  6'9: 230 lbs, averaged  18.4 pts 8.5 rbs


1/2 a nut:

Andrew White III; Nebraska  6'7" 220 lb, averaged 16.6 pls, 5.9 rbs

Jimmy Hall is a modern day James "Stretch" Gregory.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/booted-for-theft-hoops-star-needed-2nd-chance-and-found-kent-st/

[forgetful]

Jimmy Hall is a modern day James "Stretch" Gregory.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/booted-for-theft-hoops-star-needed-2nd-chance-and-found-kent-st/

Ok, 3/4 a left nut for Jimmy.

[KampusFoods]

Yes, recruits obviously hate us.

That's why we had a top-10 recruiting class in Wojo's first year and a top-20 this time.

I think you answered Heisy's question with, "Make dopey posts."

At this rate it will only be top 30 next year!

[4everwarriors]

Next man up, hey?

[CAGASS24]

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

Back to back top 20 classes and we are a mid major program and recruits don't like us anymore.

Some people need a lesson in logic.

+1000

My god - we improved 7 in the win column, won a tournament, beat wisco on the road and had an all con frosh not named Henry, recruiting is going quite well imo - given what the team looked like two years ago I'd say things are pointing up for the program - do I wish we went to tourney every year , of course , but we are clearly trending up and at the end of the day that's what you want - our proverbial ceiling is high as a program - we wil be better on the court this season -

[tower912]

Screw it.    give in to the whining.    Close down scoop, go division 2, go find something else to complain about.   

[DienerTime34]

Wojo thought this could be Duke West but that's just not the long-term reality of our program. He's a young guy who's in a bit over his head at the moment and has a very young coaching staff to boot. He will adjust. Just like our previous coaches, he will learn to win with four guards and a center. It will happen.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Quickly looking at current NBA early entries that have yet to sign with an agent.  I'd give my left nut for the following:

Jimmy Hall; Kent state   6'8" 235 lbs, averaged 16.4 pts 7.9 rbs
Marc-Eddy Norelia; FGCU  6'8" 218 lbs, averaged 17.1 pts 9.3 rbs
Alec Peters; Valpo  6'9: 230 lbs, averaged  18.4 pts 8.5 rbs


1/2 a nut:

Andrew White III; Nebraska  6'7" 220 lb, averaged 16.6 pls, 5.9 rbs

I agree with this analysis.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wojo thought this could be Duke West but that's just not the long-term reality of our program.

It should be the goal of every coach to try and build their program to the level of Duke. We have been at the level in the past. We can be at that level again. It will take time, but I think we are on the right path.

[JakeBarnes]

It should be the goal of every coach to try and build their program to the level of Duke. We have been at the level in the past. We can be at that level again. It will take time, but I think we are on the right path.

I agree with your view. But right now you're talking to kids who didn't magically ride a bike on their first try so they think it's impossible to ride a bike.

[MU82]

Wojo thought this could be Duke West but that's just not the long-term reality of our program. He's a young guy who's in a bit over his head at the moment and has a very young coaching staff to boot. He will adjust. Just like our previous coaches, he will learn to win with four guards and a center. It will happen.

As a floor coach, I think Wojo improved last season but needs to improve more.

As a recruiter, I don't think he is "in over his head" at all. He has had two great recruiting classes in two years. He also has a few near-misses on other good players - as every good recruiter does.

Compare his first two classes (at least ratings-wise) to any two classes from any coach we've had the last few decades. Pretty damn good.

[CTWarrior]

As a floor coach, I think Wojo improved last season but needs to improve more.

As a recruiter, I don't think he is "in over his head" at all. He has had two great recruiting classes in two years. He also has a few near-misses on other good players - as every good recruiter does.

Compare his first two classes (at least ratings-wise) to any two classes from any coach we've had the last few decades. Pretty damn good.

Well, there's recruiting good players and recruiting the right mix of players.  I agree he has done a good job getting good players, but the jury is still out concerning the right mix.

[Pakuni]

Well, there's recruiting good players and recruiting the right mix of players.  I agree he has done a good job getting good players, but the jury is still out concerning the right mix.

Given that we've only seen one of Wojo's recruiting classes on the floor, how could the jury on "the right mix" be anything but out?

[MU82]

Given that we've only seen one of Wojo's recruiting classes on the floor, how could the jury on "the right mix" be anything but out?

Exactly.

[CTWarrior]

Exactly.

My point is that we are collecting good but smallish wings in excess and that the lack of strong bodies seem likely to be problematic for us.  I'm curious to see how we'll make it work.

[JakeBarnes]

Quickly looking at current NBA early entries that have yet to sign with an agent.  I'd give my left nut for the following:

Jimmy Hall; Kent state   6'8" 235 lbs, averaged 16.4 pts 7.9 rbs
Marc-Eddy Norelia; FGCU  6'8" 218 lbs, averaged 17.1 pts 9.3 rbs
Alec Peters; Valpo  6'9: 230 lbs, averaged  18.4 pts 8.5 rbs


1/2 a nut:

Andrew White III; Nebraska  6'7" 220 lb, averaged 16.6 pls, 5.9 rbs

These are individuals that I would also like. Duly Nutted.

[jesmu84]

Bump.

Some really good, and really awful, predictions in here

[warriorchick]

Bump.

Some really good, and really awful, predictions in here

Very entertaining read.  By the way, I fixed dinner for Heisy:

[tower912]

Clearly, the answer is to start another thread.    MU will be better next year.    Fringe tournament team.    Assuming no injuries to Luke or Heldt.

I'm smart.

[brandx]

Very entertaining read.  By the way, I fixed dinner for Heisy:

Don't get a big head.

We all do this to Heisy.

PS: Don't ever take any financial advice from the guy.

[Tugg Speedman]

Very entertaining read.  By the way, I fixed dinner for Heisy:

Yum Yum!

I'll have it with a side of Apple

[brandx]

Yum Yum!

I'll have it with a side of Apple

Well done.

[MU82]

Bump.

Some really good, and really awful, predictions in here

Fan-freakin'-tastic.

Thanks for bumping this.

[muwarrior69]

We dance.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We dropped Wally and got Harry. I think Wojo made the right decision.

[BossplayaOtto]

We dropped Wally and got Harry. I think Wojo made the right decision.

Definitely.