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So much for a world class basketball arena....
« on: April 30, 2016, 09:14:35 AM »
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2016/04/25/milwaukeebucks-arena-will-include-ice-rink-to-host.html

As suspected, the new Bucks arena is being designed to accommodate hockey.  Sure, there will be more/better suites, a shinier scoreboard and more retail options, but when it comes to actually watching the basketball game, it's essentially going to Bradley Center 2.0.
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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 09:21:41 AM »
Not at all pleased to hear this. First, we won't be getting a NHL team. That's pretty much a given. The Blackhawks may not have the opposition they did under Bill Wirtz, but I just don't see it happening. Second, it's not worth putting a sheet down for the chance to get one NHL exhibition every 2-3 years and a Frozen Four once per decade.

I don't get this at all. Really hope this doesn't mess with seat placement or sight lines. This venue should be built with basketball in mind.
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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2016, 09:45:57 AM »
There are much better ways to design an arena these days to accommodate hockey so no, it's not going to be BC part 2.  For instance, Bankers Life Arena in Indianapolis was designed principally for basketball, but has moveable seating that reduces capacity for ice events.  *IF* the design for this new place is similar, it would be a foolish, revenue limiting option not to include the ability to have a full ice sheet.

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2016, 10:34:13 AM »
There are much better ways to design an arena these days to accommodate hockey so no, it's not going to be BC part 2.  For instance, Bankers Life Arena in Indianapolis was designed principally for basketball, but has moveable seating that reduces capacity for ice events.  *IF* the design for this new place is similar, it would be a foolish, revenue limiting option not to include the ability to have a full ice sheet.

The difference here is that Bankers Life isn't trying to attract a Frozen Four.  If that's the goal with the Bucks arena, maybe it won't be 2.0, but let's call it v1.5 instead.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 11:01:31 AM »
This is unnatural carnal knowledgeing stupid

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 11:24:52 AM »
I guess I should never underestimate Scoops ability to complain about something without knowing all the details.

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 11:40:09 AM »
In the announcement I heard, there was no mention of ice hockey — they were talking about figure skating exhibitions and ice shows.

No idea how much money is involved, but seems logical to maximize revenue every way possible. Hopefully there's a better solution to arena seating than at the BC.
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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 11:52:10 AM »
The picture of the inside of the arena in the article alone looks way better than the BC so totally not BC 2.0.
Completely different configuration.  I'm sure there are much better ways to operate and layout an arena now versus 1989.  Good idea to put ice in now versus regretting not doing it later.

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2016, 12:02:23 PM »
It's has been said for months now the Bucks were looking to host events like the Frozen Four. They said it will be built for basketball and concerts. Nothing to worry about as a basketball fan in terms of angles and viewpoint if they host hockey.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2016, 12:09:53 PM »
As for Bankers Life Fieldhouse and unlike other multipurpose arenas, the arena was designed primarily for basketball. Nevertheless, the arena can accommodate an NHL-sized rink, but the seating capacity would be reduced to 12,300 for ice hockey, as the seating arrangement is asymmetrical. Many of the seats on one end of the arena have obstructed views, which results in poor sightlines for ice hockey.
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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2016, 01:00:36 PM »
In the announcement I heard, there was no mention of ice hockey — they were talking about figure skating exhibitions and ice shows.


Well, that turns this into another conversation altogether. The opportunity to share in the magic and brilliance that is Brian Boitano or Johnny Weir makes this a very different discussion. Very different, indeed.

I know I speak for more than a few Scoopers in saying that sacrificing seating, sight lines, and ambiance for basketball must take a back seat to the elan, panache, and verve of Holiday on Ice. If the choice is sharing an evening with the poetry in motion of figure skating then I say we can officially close the book on any further discussion.









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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2016, 01:05:14 PM »
Your homophobia is showing brah.

And as other posters have pointed out, this will make such a small difference it really isn't worth freaking out over.

Well, that turns this into another conversation altogether. The opportunity to share in the magic and brilliance that is Brian Boitano or Johnny Weir makes this a very different discussion. Very different, indeed.

I know I speak for more than a few Scoopers in saying that sacrificing seating, sight lines, and ambiance for basketball must take a back seat to the elan, panache, and verve of Holiday on Ice. If the choice is sharing an evening with the poetry in motion of figure skating then I say we can officially close the book on any further discussion.








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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2016, 01:18:43 PM »
If it's an arrangement like Bankers Life or Barclays, I'm OK with it.  But if they're trying to get a Frozen Four, I assume the NCAA wants someplace with a full hockey layout, which will screw things up for basketball.

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2016, 01:22:06 PM »
Your homophobia is showing brah.

And as other posters have pointed out, this will make such a small difference it really isn't worth freaking out over.

Homophobia?

Hardly. Why would you think I don't thrill to the mystical union of Man, Steel, and Ice?

Perhaps it is your own latent fears expressing themselves??


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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2016, 01:40:33 PM »
In the announcement I heard, there was no mention of ice hockey — they were talking about figure skating exhibitions and ice shows.

No idea how much money is involved, but seems logical to maximize revenue every way possible. Hopefully there's a better solution to arena seating than at the BC.

"Rather, the Bucks owners are looking to host events such as the NCAA hockey tournament and its Frozen Four men’s championship or an NHL exhibition game at the new arena, Suski said."

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2016, 01:57:48 PM »
Homophobia?

Hardly. Why would you think I don't thrill to the mystical union of Man, Steel, and Ice?

Perhaps it is your own latent fears expressing themselves??

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2016, 02:15:20 PM »
"Rather, the Bucks owners are looking to host events such as the NCAA hockey tournament and its Frozen Four men’s championship or an NHL exhibition game at the new arena, Suski said."

Thanks. Either the radio news announcer I heard was freelancing, or I wasn't paying very close attention.
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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2016, 02:55:57 PM »
Homophobia?

Hardly. Why would you think I don't thrill to the mystical union of Man, Steel, and Ice?

Perhaps it is your own latent fears expressing themselves??

Nice projection.
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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2016, 04:19:51 PM »
Nice projection.


I happen to be a fan of figure skating. Beginning with the Dance of the Zamboni through the skirr of honed steel on ice to the thunderous crescendo of the crowd's adulation until, finally, a man spent from having left it all out on the sheet of honor offers heartfelt thanks through the choked tears of joy...there is nothing more riveting than this in the world of sport. Nothing.

I won't have you trivialize this most elegant sport with political sentiment. Never. 


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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2016, 04:32:02 PM »

I happen to be a fan of figure skating. Beginning with the Dance of the Zamboni through the skirr of honed steel on ice to the thunderous crescendo of the crowd's adulation until, finally, a man spent from having left it all out on the sheet of honor offers heartfelt thanks through the choked tears of joy...there is nothing more riveting than this in the world of sport. Nothing.

I won't have you trivialize this most elegant sport with political sentiment. Never.

You spent too much time on 10N.  On 10S. we preferred ballet.

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2016, 05:23:02 PM »
   i wish they would close up the end zones-get rid of the entrance/exit so we can wave the big finger and fat heads directly behind opposing free throwers.  they could put those off to the corners or something
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2016, 05:35:33 PM »
I like figure skating, especially at the Olympics.

Seriously. I think it's great theater and entertainment, and the skaters - men and women - are incredible athletes.

It and hockey are by far my two favorite Winter Olympic sports.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2016, 05:49:58 PM »
Sheet of honor.

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2016, 05:55:19 PM »
Well, that turns this into another conversation altogether. The opportunity to share in the magic and brilliance that is Brian Boitano or Johnny Weir makes this a very different discussion. Very different, indeed.

I know I speak for more than a few Scoopers in saying that sacrificing seating, sight lines, and ambiance for basketball must take a back seat to the elan, panache, and verve of Holiday on Ice. If the choice is sharing an evening with the poetry in motion of figure skating then I say we can officially close the book on any further discussion.









Is that first pic a guy or girl?  i recognize Boitano but don't know the others.

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2016, 06:35:28 PM »
Not too concerning. The endzones will still be closed off. Think a smaller United Center for the ability to host hockey. Main reason they did this is so Disney on Ice can be in the new arena.

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2016, 07:37:39 AM »
How welcome is MU going to feel in all that sea of GREEN according to the renderings I've seen. The Domers will feel like its home if we renew the series with them.

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2016, 08:37:41 AM »
How welcome is MU going to feel in all that sea of GREEN according to the renderings I've seen. The Domers will feel like its home if we renew the series with them.

It looks like a lot of the green is lighting - probably not a huge deal to turn to blue and gold for MU games. 

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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2016, 08:41:26 AM »
At the speed that professional sports teams change their logo and colors, it would be a complete disaster to have the inside have tons of green accents.

I agree, it's all lighting.

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2016, 08:47:15 AM »


Wow, this is so unrealistic. Way too many fans

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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2016, 11:10:33 AM »
I "flushed" a bunch of posts - though about deleting most of the thread.  But at least the arena topic has merit.

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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2016, 01:38:34 PM »
You spent too much time on 10N.  On 10S. we preferred ballet.

A buddy of mine who now flies for FedEx was dating a ballerina with the SF Ballet when we were going through the RTU at Luke. His tales of her flexibility had us spell bound.


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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2016, 01:57:21 PM »
I "flushed" a bunch of posts - though about deleting most of the thread.  But at least the arena topic has merit.


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« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2016, 02:15:45 PM »
Wow, this is so unrealistic. Way too many fans

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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2016, 02:19:36 PM »
I "flushed" a bunch of posts - though about deleting most of the thread.  But at least the arena topic has merit.

Better give up the day job if you going to prioritize keeping Scoop threads on topic!




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You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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Re: So much for a world class basketball arena....
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2016, 02:34:48 PM »
Wow, this is so unrealistic. Way too many fans
Saturday Big East Games shot are more realistic. We're now talking about a 17,500 seat arena.
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« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2016, 02:44:05 PM »
Is that first pic a guy or girl?  i recognize Boitano but don't know the others.

Johnny Weir.


I happen to be a fan of figure skating. Beginning with the Dance of the Zamboni through the skirr of honed steel on ice to the thunderous crescendo of the crowd's adulation until, finally, a man spent from having left it all out on the sheet of honor offers heartfelt thanks through the choked tears of joy...there is nothing more riveting than this in the world of sport. Nothing.

I won't have you trivialize this most elegant sport with political sentiment. Never.

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You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2016, 08:07:14 PM »
A buddy of mine who now flies for FedEx was dating a ballerina with the SF Ballet when we were going through the RTU at Luke. His tales of her flexibility had us spell bound.

There's an old wisecrack involving ankles, perfume, and ears.  And flexibllity.

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« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2016, 11:23:31 PM »
You are getting a state of the art nba arena where you can buy a fresh beer every game (unlike 99% of all other colleges).  Stop complaining.

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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2016, 04:05:46 AM »

Let us not forget teeth on honed steel!


Reminds me of a Cobeen girl from Cleveland I dated. I warned her that honed steel was hell on teeth but comforted her with the fact that Marquette had a Dental School that could repair her broken molars


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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2016, 04:58:05 AM »
Reminds me of a Cobeen girl from Cleveland I dated. I warned her that honed steel was hell on teeth but comforted her with the fact that Marquette had a Dental School that could repair her broken molars

now that you mention it, i must have seen one of your conquests -molars all honed down to flat plane occlusion, very acute myo-facial pain thought it was due to severe bruxism before finals...now i have one more differential diagnostic for my tool box-thanks man.  can never rule anything out
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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2016, 08:29:00 AM »
I "flushed" a bunch of posts - though about deleting most of the thread.  But at least the arena topic has merit.

Should have gotten a manager to flush for you.....

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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2016, 08:47:54 AM »
A buddy of mine who now flies for FedEx was dating a ballerina with the SF Ballet when we were going through the RTU at Luke. His tales of her flexibility had us spell bound.

My wife danced ballet through HS.  I'm pretty certain the "unmentioned benefits" are more psychological than physical... on both sides.
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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2016, 01:07:47 AM »
I "flushed"

So, were you the manager during Bert's reign?


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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2016, 10:56:15 AM »
Interesting that ESLCS is going to Barclays. Hard to ignore the potential of E Sports if you're building a new arena like the Bucks are. I don't know how you consider or incorporate that setup into a sports arena, but I think the Bucks should think about amenities and layouts that cater to that crowd.

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« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2016, 12:09:20 PM »
Interesting that ESLCS is going to Barclays. Hard to ignore the potential of E Sports if you're building a new arena like the Bucks are. I don't know how you consider or incorporate that setup into a sports arena, but I think the Bucks should think about amenities and layouts that cater to that crowd.

If your scoreboards are multi-function video screens that can read HDMI or DVI from a GPU, that would probably be the only prerequisite other than convertible floor space.  The promoters bring their own LANs and the players bring their own hardware, so there's probably not much as far as connectivity needs beyond what would already be in place for TV and support.
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