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Author Topic: Why So Much Chief Hate?  (Read 19601 times)

Tugg Speedman

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Why So Much Chief Hate?
« on: April 22, 2016, 04:00:03 PM »
Why is their so much hate for the Chief (Sandy).  Lots here almost wishing he would leave.

Yes he struggled done the stretch last season.  But for 1 1/2 years before that, he looked legit.

Reminds me of the hate 1 year ago for JJJ.  Like Sandy, JJJ was also benched for a game.  Like Sandy, JJJ struggled down the stretch.  And like Sandy, a year ago the mob here was looking for JJJ to leave.

And like is often the case here, whenever the mob comes to a consensus here, it is usually wrong.  It was wrong about JJJ a year ago as he came back and was productive last season.  And I believe it will be wrong about Sandy too.

I hope the chief stays and proves the mob here wrong again.


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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2016, 04:03:28 PM »
I hope is does figure it out. But last season he looked lost out there.


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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2016, 04:05:04 PM »
It is real simple, his offensive game is offensive.  But I must agree that he has the athleticism he might be able to change his game.  His release time is ridiculously
slow, to slow for the Big East.  He has no jump shot what so ever, just needs hours in the gym to improve and work with one of the coaches to improve his release.
Needs to work on confidence, he was butt ugly this year in the Big East.  Wally was better.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 04:05:23 PM »
I definitely think people are bailing on Sandy too early. He definitely had an awful offensive stretch last season, but he has all offseason to work through his issues and get right again. I'm hopeful he can return to the path he was on for the first half of last season.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2016, 04:09:19 PM »
Why is their so much hate for the Chief (Sandy).  Lots here almost wishing he would leave.

Yes he struggled done the stretch last season.  But for 1 1/2 years before that, he looked legit.

Reminds me of the hate 1 year ago for JJJ.  Like Sandy, JJJ was also benched for a game.  Like Sandy, JJJ struggled down the stretch.  And like Sandy, a year ago the mob here was looking for JJJ to leave.

And like is often the case here, whenever the mob comes to a consensus here, it is usually wrong.  It was wrong about JJJ a year ago as he came back and was productive last season.  And I believe it will be wrong about Sandy too.

I hope the chief stays and proves the mob here wrong again.

I agree with this.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2016, 04:10:11 PM »
Heise baby, what games you been watchin', hey?
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 04:12:47 PM »
I'm hopeful he can return to the path he was on for the first half of last season.

The guy did well against a couple cupcakes. He was a non-factor in Big East play. Marquette needs much better production from someone getting 30 minutes a game. Clearly Wojo saw that as Cohen's playing time decreased as the season progressed.



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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2016, 04:13:06 PM »
Heise baby, what games you been watchin', hey?

The games where Wojo said Sandy was our best defender and was assigned to the other team's best player.  That had to be half the games last year, per Wojo statements to Homer in the post-game.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2016, 04:14:01 PM »
Does Cohen have a younger brother, hey?
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2016, 04:17:12 PM »
Does Cohen have a younger brother, hey?

Maybe this was the QPQ to sign the sister?


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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2016, 04:17:45 PM »
Sandy has faded both years.  He started both seasons strong and then runs out of gas (confidence and strength) by February.  I like Sandy's game but wish he could escalate his play instead of increasing his bench time.  Perhap's Big East competition is too fast and big for him.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2016, 04:22:00 PM »
Hate? Haven't seen it.

People like myself have said if someone does leave it's probably best for everyone if it's Sandy.

He hasn't looked BE capable at all to this point.

Him and JJJ are not remotely similar. And JJJ game is better suited to click anyways. He's a ultra athletic slasher who can make plays off the dribble. Now he learned to shoot.
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2016, 04:28:29 PM »
Sandy has faded both years.  He started both seasons strong and then runs out of gas (confidence and strength) by February.  I like Sandy's game but wish he could escalate his play instead of increasing his bench time.  Perhap's Big East competition is too fast and big for him.

He fades because the competition gets better. He is simply not a high level D1 basketball player. He cannot make an open jump shot and he is painfully slow at everything he does. No business being on the floor as much as he was this year.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 05:20:40 PM »
Hate? Haven't seen it.

People like myself have said if someone does leave it's probably best for everyone if it's Sandy.

He hasn't looked BE capable at all to this point.

Him and JJJ are not remotely similar. And JJJ game is better suited to click anyways. He's a ultra athletic slasher who can make plays off the dribble. Now he learned to shoot.
I agree with this analysis.
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2016, 05:54:05 PM »
If someone were to get pole-axed, I think it would be someone who won't be in the rotation next season. I think our rotation next season will be Johnson, Reinhardt, Fischer, Cheatham, Rowsey, Wilson, Howard, Carter, Heldt, and Young. That leaves Cohen, Anim, and Hauser left on the list. Hauser is definitely safe. And Anim is younger, so he has more time to develop. That means Sandy's the guy.

That being said, I don't think anyone is getting pole-axed. Someone may leave still leave on their own accord. I am hopeful that Sandy is able to get it together. He has the athleticism, his defense is very good, and he has shown good shooting ability. He needs to put it all together.
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2016, 09:19:50 PM »
Why is their so much hate for the Chief (Sandy).  Lots here almost wishing he would leave.

Yes he struggled done the stretch last season.  But for 1 1/2 years before that, he looked legit.

Reminds me of the hate 1 year ago for JJJ.  Like Sandy, JJJ was also benched for a game.  Like Sandy, JJJ struggled down the stretch.  And like Sandy, a year ago the mob here was looking for JJJ to leave.

And like is often the case here, whenever the mob comes to a consensus here, it is usually wrong.  It was wrong about JJJ a year ago as he came back and was productive last season.  And I believe it will be wrong about Sandy too.

I hope the chief stays and proves the mob here wrong again.

Oddly I agree with you.  I  think I need a shower.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2016, 09:39:43 PM »
Does Cohen have a younger brother, hey?

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 09:45:35 PM »
I'm not sure I'd call it Chief hate, but it does seem a decent number of people are ready to see him and Anim make way. I'd like to see both continue.

Not sure how Sandy progresses, but Jajuan had a broken shot, looked even more lost on defense, and was playing inconsistent minutes. His decision making was at best suspect. This year, he emerged as one of our best players.

I still think Sandy could be an excellent defender and reliable 3/4 off the bench. I think that "what we hoped Juan Anderson would be" idea is a good comparison. A guy that can do a lot of things well as long as you don't need 25-30 mpg from him.
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 10:35:32 PM »
Does Cohen have a younger brother, hey?
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2016, 11:34:38 PM »
Does Cohen have a younger brother, hey?

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2016, 03:01:22 AM »
No Hate.  If he gets a shot doctor this summer and bulks up a bit he could be a good defensive 4 for 10-15 mins/game who clears the middle based on his ability to hit the 3.

If he's not going to quicken his release and improve his accuracy, then he doesn't belong at high D1 level.
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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2016, 03:42:22 AM »
I don't think hate is the right word, he's so far just looked like the 11th or 12th option for next season if he doesn't improve.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2016, 09:12:00 AM »
I want to see every kid we sign develop and prosper. Sandy often looked lost last year. Freshman year he did not LOOK lost, he was lost. Prospects are a crap shoot, some surprise you, some disappoint you. There's no "hate" but I just don't think Sandy is going to be a guy who makes a meaningful difference for the program. If he's a good guy, good in the locker room, keep him around. If he is not happy with how things are going, I think he would have the chance to be a more significant contributor at a lower-level program.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2016, 12:12:28 PM »
Moishe.

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Re: Why So Much Chief Hate?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2016, 02:04:25 PM »
That leaves Cohen, Anim, and Hauser left on the list. Hauser is definitely safe. And Anim is younger, so he has more time to develop. That means Sandy's the guy.

I really think Hauser will contribute a lot sooner than people think.  It may get pushed back a little but I have a feeling he'll play some stretch 4/eventual 3 for us starting next season.  He may be the best shooter on the team and strikes me as a Novak-type.  Little surprised more people aren't considering more production out of him.