2016-17 Schedule

[BM1090]

Of course Nigel Hayes could improve his draft status if he returns.  Kaminsky did.  Heild did.  Why can't Hayes?

He could. Shouldn't have spoken in absolutes. But neither of those players severely regressed as their role increased like Hayes did this season.

[GGGG]

Well, if you look at Hield's stats, you could argue that he did regress from sophomore to junior year.  Both his FG% and 3FG% decreased by about 30 percentage points even though his ppg increased.  (No idea about advanced stats.) 

Clearly that wasn't as bad as Hayes, who decreased by 100+ percentage points in both categories. 

But if I were Hayes I would come back.  A second round pick is something, but if he cant perform he's going to be cut.  He can improve (and I think he will) if he returns.  Very unlike the Dekker or the Hellenson situation where they are guaranteed first round money.

[Jay Bee]

Hayes has been discussed but this is hilarious.  Koenig?  He of 13 pts and 2 assists?  Also shooting under 40%?  He'll be a solid player as a senior but I would be surprised if he is even 2nd team all B10.

Koenig -- what relevance is his FG%? He shots more often from trey land than 2-point land.. 39% from 3, 39.5% from 2. eFG% of 50.0%.

His turnover rate is sub-14%, which is strong even for a guy in his offense at 20% usage.

Some stats matter.. others don't.

(for the record, I think he's a good fit in Bulgaria.. not in the NBA.. but, let's not state stats that are meaningless.)

[Jay Bee]

Well, if you look at Hield's stats, you could argue that he did regress from sophomore to junior year.  Both his FG% and 3FG% decreased by about 30 percentage points even though his ppg increased.  (No idea about advanced stats.) 

Clearly that wasn't as bad as Hayes, who decreased by 100+ percentage points in both categories. 

But if I were Hayes I would come back.  A second round pick is something, but if he cant perform he's going to be cut.  He can improve (and I think he will) if he returns.  Very unlike the Dekker or the Hellenson situation where they are guaranteed first round money.

Buddy as a junior - ORtg of 110, down from 114.. but usage up from moderate 23 to higher-usage of 27.

Nigel fell off an effin cliff.. amazing 125 but only 21 usage and 19% %Shots 104 Ortg / 27 / 25.

Buddy = small decline with more workload.. Nigel, pee down the leg.

Senior year = Buddy amazing.. Nigel.. gotta think he improves some because of how crap he was this year.

[GGGG]

Seriously JB.

Everytime I mention stats it's like a bat signal for you to add more context.  Thanks.

But yeah you make a good point.  Hayes would almost have to improve.

[Jay Bee]

Seriously JB.

Everytime I mention stats it's like a bat signal for you to add more context.  Thanks.

But yeah you make a good point.  Hayes would almost have to improve.

Please understand my point is simple: Becky blows.

[burger]

I want Indiana.....

[Herman Cain]

We literally just spent the entire year about complaining about a ridiculously weak schedule and now we're gonna start complaining about Utah being too tough? Can't have it both ways, I'm a fan of the home and home.

I have been pretty consistent on my view of this. Keep the cupcakes but schedule better ranked cupcakes.  Get 150-200 RPI versus 300-350. The good games were not the problem for us. We still have plenty of good games, between the Badger game, The Gavitt Game and the Quality teams in the Thanksgiving tournament  we have enough tough games. Utah is fine , I am just pointing out that on first blush this may be a very challenging schedule.  We need to be prepared for the potentially of a mediocre OOC result with potentially a higher RPI . In that scenario we may need 12 conference wins to get into the dance.

[Jay Bee]

I have been pretty consistent on my view of this. Keep the cupcakes but schedule better ranked cupcakes.  Get 150-200 RPI versus 300-350. The good games were not the problem for us. We still have plenty of good games, between the Badger game, The Gavitt Game and the Quality teams in the Thanksgiving tournament  we have enough tough games. Utah is fine , I am just pointing out that on first blush this may be a very challenging schedule.  We need to be prepared for the potentially of a mediocre OOC result with potentially a higher RPI . In that scenario we may need 12 conference wins to get into the dance.

Agreed; and we're saying the same thing in essence, but I just clarify it by I want the easy opponents to be ones who will win games in conference and/or otherwise gather a fair amount of D-I victories... 200 RPI vs. 300 RPI isn't always the best answer in that regard.

[Herman Cain]

Agreed; and we're saying the same thing in essence, but I just clarify it by I want the easy opponents to be ones who will win games in conference and/or otherwise gather a fair amount of D-I victories... 200 RPI vs. 300 RPI isn't always the best answer in that regard.

Teams like Central Michigan or Toledo are the ones I would like to see.  Beatable but have some substance on paper.  Milwaukee and Green Bay during the time the kids are out of school. Good for attendance as well.  Michigan State readily schedules their cup cake opponents like this.

[forgetful]

Well, if you look at Hield's stats, you could argue that he did regress from sophomore to junior year.  Both his FG% and 3FG% decreased by about 30 percentage points even though his ppg increased.  (No idea about advanced stats.) 

Clearly that wasn't as bad as Hayes, who decreased by 100+ percentage points in both categories. 

But if I were Hayes I would come back.  A second round pick is something, but if he cant perform he's going to be cut.  He can improve (and I think he will) if he returns.  Very unlike the Dekker or the Hellenson situation where they are guaranteed first round money.

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The key is that he can improve (likely will) and still worsen his draft stock (also likely will).  This is because of two reasons.  1) He's a year older.  2)  The draft class for next year looks much stronger.  3) Unless he improves a lot, he'll just look like a solid B10 player, that benefited from being on a team with two 1st round draft picks, but when on his own was not elite.

The end result is that he most likely goes undrafted if he stays another year.

[KampusFoods]

MarquetteMBB twitter says a 2016-17 schedule update is expected this morning. Guessing they will make the Utah H&H official?

[mu03eng]

Teams like Central Michigan or Toledo are the ones I would like to see.  Beatable but have some substance on paper.  Milwaukee and Green Bay during the time the kids are out of school. Good for attendance as well.  Michigan State readily schedules their cup cake opponents like this.

OOC schedule should be based on two principles: preparation for Big East play and do no harm to tournament resume.

Based on that you need 2-3 "marquee" games, 6-8 likely winnable games against 140-260 RPI teams, and at worst 1 or 2 260+ RPI teams.

Side note, there is less than zero reason to ever schedule UWM. I don't care if they give us a 10-1 deal where they pay us, we should never schedule them again. Zero upside, all downside and quite frankly that program is a raging dumpster fire, why give them ANY opportunity to make it better. Lastly, improved attendance is crap....they brought barely 2000 fans to our last match-up.

[Herman Cain]

OOC schedule should be based on two principles: preparation for Big East play and do no harm to tournament resume.

Based on that you need 2-3 "marquee" games, 6-8 likely winnable games against 140-260 RPI teams, and at worst 1 or 2 260+ RPI teams.

Side note, there is less than zero reason to ever schedule UWM. I don't care if they give us a 10-1 deal where they pay us, we should never schedule them again. Zero upside, all downside and quite frankly that program is a raging dumpster fire, why give them ANY opportunity to make it better. Lastly, improved attendance is crap....they brought barely 2000 fans to our last match-up.

I agree with first part of your analysis.
I still believe locals are worth working into mix.
Last Green Bay game had 14,000 plus when students were out.

[MUMountin]

MU v. Vanderbilt in the 2016 Veterans Classic at the US Naval Academy.  Friday, November 11, 2016.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/719556877273710593

[bobnoxious]

Would this lead to a weeknight home opener?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

MU v. Vanderbilt in the 2016 Veterans Classic at the US Naval Academy.  Friday, November 11, 2016.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/719556877273710593

Dang, a game against Vandy and a game against Utah. Add that to the Gavitt Games (assuming we get one), Bucky, and the NYC tourney and you've got yourself a nice crop of non-con games. Let's hope the cupcakes are too high in fat.

[mu03eng]

Dang, a game against Vandy and a game against Utah. Add that to the Gavitt Games (assuming we get one), Bucky, and the NYC tourney and you've got yourself a nice crop of non-con games. Let's hope the cupcakes are too high in fat.

Given the timing, I don't see how we can possibly be involved in the Gavitt games this year.

*Edit: I suspect we were left off the Gavitt schedule this year and as such added the Veterans game for this year

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Given the timing, I don't see how we can possibly be involved in the Gavitt games this year.

*Edit: I suspect we were left off the Gavitt schedule this year and as such added the Veterans game for this year

Yep, realized it when I read Matty V's article. The 2K classic interferes with the schedule. We've probably known we weren't getting one for months but us fans just didn't see it.

[MUMountin]

Given the timing, I don't see how we can possibly be involved in the Gavitt games this year.

*Edit: I suspect we were left off the Gavitt schedule this year and as such added the Veterans game for this year

Which is fine.  With the game against UW and the possibility of Michigan in the tourney, that'd already give us two games against the Big 10.  I like this approach of playing a SEC, a P12, a B10, with the possibility of additional games against ACC/AAC/another Big 10.  Covers all of the major basketball conferences with the exception of B12.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Which is fine.  With the game against UW and the possibility of Michigan in the tourney, that'd already give us two games against the Big 10.  I like this approach of playing a SEC, a P12, a B10, with the possibility of additional games against ACC/AAC/another Big 10.  Covers all of the major basketball conferences with the exception of B12.

Clearly the B12 is still too traumatized by what Villanova did to Oklahoma to schedule a game against another BEast opponent.

PS, I was at that game. I've never seen so many people look dead to the world as I did that night. There was no light in their eyes. They were just numb by the end of it.

[JakeBarnes]

Marquette not involved in Gavitt games per Matty V.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Marquette not involved in Gavitt games per Matty V.

Officially? Link?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

So we got:

Wisconsin (H) We know this one for sure.

Two of Eastern Michigan, IUPUI, Gardner-Webb, and Howard (H) These will be at the BC as part of the 2K Classic.

Two of Michigan, Pittsburgh, and SMU (N) These will be in NYC as part of the 2K Classic.

Utah (A).

Vandy (N).

Nice looking start. Not don't schedule the dregs on the NCAA for your buy games, and MUs RPI is not going to an issue this year.
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[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I hope we avoid Howard. The other regional 2K games are all good level cupcakes.