Making a murder

[wadesworld]

Not really new news but hasn't been discussed here. Have seen Season 2 will come out by the end of the year. I also see Ken Kratz is in the headlines doing interviews with his book scheduled to be released soon. I will not be putting money in that guy's pocket by purchasing that one.

[Eldon]

Steven Avery's attorney has filed a 1,272-page notice for post conviction relief in Manitowoc County, Action 2 News has learned.

Kathleen Zellner appeared in person to file the document Wednesday rather than providing an electronic filing. Read the first 220 pages of the document on Kathleen Zellner's web site.


http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Making-A-Murderer-Averys-attorney-files-1000-page-post-conviction-notice-427053043.html?cid=twitter_WBAY

Local news for the win!

[jsglow]

Steven Avery's attorney has filed a 1,272-page notice for post conviction relief in Manitowoc County, Action 2 News has learned.

Kathleen Zellner appeared in person to file the document Wednesday rather than providing an electronic filing. Read the first 220 pages of the document on Kathleen Zellner's web site.


http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Making-A-Murderer-Averys-attorney-files-1000-page-post-conviction-notice-427053043.html?cid=twitter_WBAY

Local news for the win!

Throw it all and see what sticks.

[wadesworld]

Throw it all and see what sticks.

Yup.

[Jay Bee]

Gotta break out crazy, wasteful tactics like this when you're trying to fee an awful murderer, ainul?

[wadesworld]

Gotta break out crazy, wasteful tactics like this when you're trying to fee an awful murderer, ainul?

Also yup.

[🏀]

Gotta break out crazy, wasteful tactics like this when you're trying to fee an awful murderer, ainul?

It's what she does.

[jsglow]

'As of the filing of this petition, Mr. Avery has been locked up for 10,909 days for crimes
he did not commit. Mr. Avery has been alive for 20,058 days, so over 54% of his life has been
spent behind bars. Ms. Halbach's entire life spanned just 9,355 days. Of the 4,238 days that have
passed since Ms. Halbach's murder, only 9 short days were devoted by law enforcement to
identifying the alleged murderer, much less time than the average vacation time allocated in
2005 to the law enforcement personnel involved in the 9-day effort leading to the arrest of Mr.
Avery.'

Helluva legal argument there Kathy.

[mu03eng]

'As of the filing of this petition, Mr. Avery has been locked up for 10,909 days for crimes
he did not commit. Mr. Avery has been alive for 20,058 days, so over 54% of his life has been
spent behind bars. Ms. Halbach's entire life spanned just 9,355 days. Of the 4,238 days that have
passed since Ms. Halbach's murder, only 9 short days were devoted by law enforcement to
identifying the alleged murderer, much less time than the average vacation time allocated in
2005 to the law enforcement personnel involved in the 9-day effort leading to the arrest of Mr.
Avery.'

Helluva legal argument there Kathy.

lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[jsglow]

lies, damn lies, and statistics.

It's literally how her brief starts.  Can you imagine what a waste of time the rest much be?  I feel for the poor judge that has to keep reading because that's his job.  Sorry, I have zero patience for bullcrap.

[Spotcheck Billy]

This morning she also tweeted that the recent examination of the bullet that supposedly was fired through her head was found to have actually had wood and paint residue not skin/bone etc.

[jsglow]

This morning she also tweeted that the recent examination of the bullet that supposedly was fired through her head was found to have actually had wood and paint residue not skin/bone etc.

Lawyers for the innocent don't tweet their evidence, they present it.  Tweeting (meaning only playing on public sympathy) is for the guilty.

[Spotcheck Billy]

People tweet these days, I assume she presented it in the brief she filed with the court this week.

Even the leader of the free world tweets.

[jsglow]

People tweet these days, I assume she presented it in the brief she filed with the court this week.

Even the leader of the free world tweets.

Of course she presented it.  Why do you think defense lawyers hold big press conferences?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Lawyers for the innocent don't tweet their evidence, they present it.  Tweeting (meaning only playing on public sympathy) is for the guilty.

Right or wrong, I'm not sure the same rules apply to this case.

[brewcity77]

Even the leader of the free world tweets.

Actually, I don't think Angela Merkel has Twitter.

[GGGG]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/06/22/key/419836001/?hootPostID=6c76b4b1281658f41b3054f688e5a74b

Appeals court affirms ruling overturning Dassey's conviction.  I feel good about this.

[mu03eng]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/06/22/key/419836001/?hootPostID=6c76b4b1281658f41b3054f688e5a74b

Appeals court affirms ruling overturning Dassey's conviction.  I feel good about this.

Ya know, if the Dassey stuff hadn't happened I'm pretty sure the Netflix series doesn't happen and nobody cares about this story. Whether that's good or bad from a justice standpoint I don't know (depends on if you think Avery did it or not).

Great example of a prosecutors reach exceeding their grasp

[Benny B]

My apologies to my earlier mud-dragging of Manitowoc County.  I was mistaken in assuming that the DOJ sh|tshow belonged to them.

If the state truly believes that Brendan Dassey did what they say he did, simply retry him.  If they don't think they will win a conviction without his confession, they need to set him free pending appeal.

This is no longer about "who did it."  It's about civil rights and due process.  Even if Dassey is truly guilty, he needs to walk to set an example to the police, investigators, prosecutors, etc. in this state (and the US) that the rule of law applies to everyone at all times.


Failure to observe and respect the rule of law universally and without prejudice was nearly the death of this country once, and those who don't learn from history, blah, blah, blah.

[Jay Bee]

Dassey’s confession sticks. Will continue to be locked up.

Avery is a dirty murderer

[Jay Bee]

Supreme Court declines to take on Dassey appeal. Nice!

Avery is a dirty murderer

[MU82]

As opposed to Dexter, a clean murderer.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Supreme Court declines to take on Dassey appeal. Nice!

Avery is a dirty murderer

It's not over yet.

According to Kathleen Zellner, the Avery appeal is going back to the circuit court because the State finally disclosed evidence it failed to disclose for 12 years and the Court wants to know all about it.

[Benny B]

It's not over yet.

According to Kathleen Zellner, the Avery appeal is going back to the circuit court because the State finally disclosed evidence it failed to disclose for 12 years and the Court wants to know all about it.

According to my defense lawyer buddy (who's more familiar with KZ than he'd care to be), the evidence on the CD - an examination of a computer in the Dassey house - is not likely to contain anything that's going to be explicitly exculpatory, which is basically Avery's last hope at this point.  However, he also mentioned that Zellner is probably aware of the CD's irrelevance, and wouldn't waste her time on it unless it was strategic, i.e. on its own, it's worthless, but it could be a step in helping reveal or corroborate a greater theory.

He also said this has devolved into one big cluster that's going to soon be impossible for even seasoned professionals to follow, let alone judges and LEO's who typically go an entire career without seeing a case anywhere close to this.

That said, Netflix has essentially placed a big bet that isn't going to pay off unless Avery gets sprung (or at least if there isn't some sort of revelation that rises beyond yawn-worthy in Season 2).  Not to mention the hit that Zellner's ego is going to take if she can't prevail (this case might be the end of Zellner's career, one way or the other).

I'm still in the camp that believes Avery's guilt/innocence is irrelevant since the legal system failed and therefore, he should be released.  But I'm not optimistic given said downward spiral of complexity which is going to basically confuse people to the point where rule of law can only yield to conventional wisdom (i.e. he's guilty).

[warriorchick]

Brendan Dassey's sh!tbag lawyer arrested for stalking:

http://www.vulture.com/2018/07/former-making-a-murderer-lawyer-arrested-for-stalking.html