Utah St. bars transfer from speaking to ... anyone

[Pakuni]

When has this sort of thing ever ended well for a program?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/utah-state-denies-transfer-permission-to-speak-with-any-other-schools-100936787.html

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Is the Legend no longer at Utah St?

[naginiF]

When has this sort of thing ever ended well for a program?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/utah-state-denies-transfer-permission-to-speak-with-any-other-schools-100936787.html

Never works out for the institution, they might as well shoot themselves in the back of the head.

The timing is a bit suspicious but if you claim tampering you need some proof and then ban those schools you suspect, not just shut out everyone.  Utah St. does look petty (of course that could just be because there is only the players story in the press)

[ChicosBailBonds]

Tampering.....that's why.  Utah State and other programs don't want to reward other programs with tampering of players.  Very simple.  Whether that happened in this case, is unknown, but that is a reason why programs are hesitant to release players without knowing more information.

He will eventually get his release, but it will not be to the school(s) that were tampering.

Respect the process...

[Pakuni]

Tampering.....that's why.  Utah State and other programs don't want to reward other programs with tampering of players.  Very simple.  Whether that happened in this case, is unknown, but that is a reason why programs are hesitant to release players without knowing more information.

He will eventually get his release, but it will not be to the school(s) that were tampering.

Respect the process...

Respect the process??
It's Utah St. that's not respecting the process. If they have evidence of tampering, bar that school or schools and turn them into the NCAA. That's the process.
The process is not to arbitrarily punish the kid because you're unhappy about his timing. The process is not to bar the kid from speaking to any schools because you think maybe, sorta, there might have been some tampering.
How exactly is Utah State going about getting more information? They bring in some former FBI agents? Assemble a fact-finding panel?
This is a stupid power play by a stupid coach, and it's going to blow up in his face just as it has for every other stupid coach who's tried something like this (see: Ryan, Bo).

[Herman Cain]

If David Collette wants to come to Marquette I am sure we could find some academic money for him.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Respect the process??
It's Utah St. that's not respecting the process. If they have evidence of tampering, bar that school or schools and turn them into the NCAA. That's the process.
The process is not to arbitrarily punish the kid because you're unhappy about his timing. The process is not to bar the kid from speaking to any schools because you think maybe, sorta, there might have been some tampering.
How exactly is Utah State going about getting more information? They bring in some former FBI agents? Assemble a fact-finding panel?
This is a stupid power play by a stupid coach, and it's going to blow up in his face just as it has for every other stupid coach who's tried something like this (see: Ryan, Bo).

They are absolutely respecting the process.  It is within the school's rights to do exactly what they are doing, which is part of the process.  Explain to me how they are not following process, because you know damn well they are....to the exact letter.

[reinko]

They are absolutely respecting the process.  It is within the school's rights to do exactly what they are doing, which is part of the process.  Explain to me how they are not following process, because you know damn well they are....to the exact letter.

But you would agree,  at least I hope so,  just because a school has a right to do something,  means they should,  or it's the right thing to do.   I ask,  what is your opinion on the matter? 

[GooooMarquette]

Yes, they are technically following the process.  But if they have a suspicion of tampering, they could still achieve their goal simply by preventing the kid from transferring to the school or schools they think tampered with him.  Preventing him from speaking with anyone makes Utah State look spiteful, and gives opposing coaches plenty of negative recruiting ammo.

Enforcing their rights instead of playing it smart....

[ChicosBailBonds]

But you would agree,  at least I hope so,  just because a school has a right to do something,  means they should,  or it's the right thing to do.   I ask,  what is your opinion on the matter?

It depends.  If they suspect tampering and need time to investigate, they should take their time to do so.

If a player pulls this crap on the eve of the season, too bad....the school has every right and SHOULD exercise their rights to find out why.

This is a two way street.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yes, they are technically following the process.  But if they have a suspicion of tampering, they could still achieve their goal simply by preventing the kid from transferring to the school or schools they think tampered with him.  Preventing him from speaking with anyone makes Utah State look spiteful, and gives opposing coaches plenty of negative recruiting ammo.

Enforcing their rights instead of playing it smart....

Which is likely what they are doing.  Sorry this doesn't happen on everyone's expedited timeline, but there are ramifications of letting the school know as late as he did.  Welcome to big boy land.

[Jay Bee]

Better subject to use here...

"Utah State Follows the Rules; the Masses are Outraged"

[Dr. Blackheart]

Legendary

[GooooMarquette]

Which is likely what they are doing.  Sorry this doesn't happen on everyone's expedited timeline, but there are ramifications of letting the school know as late as he did.  Welcome to big boy land.

No it is not what they're doing.

If you read what I said - I said they should only prohibit contact by THE SCHOOL OR SCHOOLS THEY THINK TAMPERED.  They're preventing contact with EVERYBODY.

Do you seriously not see the difference?  Unless of course they think every school in the country tampered with him.

[Lennys Tap]

Welcome to big boy land.

Utah State is hundreds of miles from "big boy land".

[Pakuni]

They are absolutely respecting the process.  It is within the school's rights to do exactly what they are doing, which is part of the process.  Explain to me how they are not following process, because you know damn well they are....to the exact letter.

Even you don't believe this.

[GGGG]

Apparently more of the story came out last night.  Someone claiming to be representing Collette contacted Dave Rice at UNLV.  Rice contacted the Utah State coach to let him know, and when Collette announced he wanted to leave, Utah State said "no."

It is in this twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/1280Spence

[jsglow]

Sounds a little squirmy.

But I do have a question.  The article indicates that the university 'cancelling athletic aid for the rest of the semester'.  Does that mean they've cancelled his scholly?  If so, wouldn't that be some kind of violation?  If they can prevent him from talking to other schools should they be forced to honor all aspects of his scholarship?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Legendary

Retired

[ChicosBailBonds]

No it is not what they're doing.

If you read what I said - I said they should only prohibit contact by THE SCHOOL OR SCHOOLS THEY THINK TAMPERED.  They're preventing contact with EVERYBODY.

Do you seriously not see the difference?  Unless of course they think every school in the country tampered with him.

Again, welcome to big boy land.  They are following the rules, the rules that the kid also knows about, and he's upset because....well...things aren't going his way despite the rules being followed.  Big Boy Land with big boy pants.

Sure, Utah State could say we don't think Stetson college in Florida tampered with you, so you are free to transfer there.  Meanwhile, we will continue to do our due diligence.

We all know he is going to get his release, and if he doesn't like the big boy rules, he is free to transfer today and pay his own way for a year.   Nothing stopping him from doing this.

[Pakuni]

Apparently more of the story came out last night.  Someone claiming to be representing Collette contacted Dave Rice at UNLV.  Rice contacted the Utah State coach to let him know, and when Collette announced he wanted to leave, Utah State said "no."

It is in this twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/1280Spence

So, to make a long story short, no evidence of tampering. They're just pissed about the kid's timing, which the tweets you link confirm.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So, to make a long story short, no evidence of tampering. They're just pissed about the kid's timing, which the tweets you link confirm.

As they should be....welcome to big boy land.  Utah State gave him the offer, the training, the coaching, the education, then he leaves them high and dry a few days before the season.  This will be a good lesson for him.....UNLV should not be on his list to transfer.

Also, one comment doesn't mean there was no tampering going on.  Do you know if it happened or not?  Yet you have come to the conclusion of NO EVIDENCE of tampering based on a twiiter tweet.  OUTSTANDING Inspector.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Since we're using Twitter now as awesome sauce......maybe we should go one step further into the murky abyss and go to the Utah State message boards?  Rock solid stuff there.   

For giggles, they claim through his AAU coach that other schools have reached out get him to transfer..to Utah, UNLV, Boise State and others....that would be tampering through back channels.  Now, is any of this true?  Who knows, but this is why programs do what they do.

Welcome to Big Boy land.

[Pakuni]

As they should be....welcome to big boy land.  Utah State gave him the offer, the training, the coaching, the education, then he leaves them high and dry a few days before the season.  This will be a good lesson for him.....UNLV should not be on his list to transfer.

Also, one comment doesn't mean there was no tampering going on.  Do you know if it happened or not?  Yet you have come to the conclusion of NO EVIDENCE of tampering based on a twiiter tweet.  OUTSTANDING Inspector.

Don't be so obtuse.

First of all, it's not incumbent on anyone to prove there was no tampering. That's not how it works. If Utah State claims - which they're not, but you are on their behalf - that there was tampering, it's on them to provide evidence. Demanding that anyone prove there was tampering literally is impossible, and you know it.

Second, if Utah State believed there was tampering or had evidence of tampering, Duryea ... er, I mean this reporter's source, who absolutely, positively isn't Duryea or one of his underlings ... would have leaked it like he leaked all this other stuff. He didn't leak it, because it doesn't exist.

Third - and I know this one is the hardest for you to understand - student athletes are not indentured servants. They provide the schools with more than the schools provide them. Utah State didn't give the kid a whole year of "training, coaching, education" as a philanthropic gesture. They did it because they believed the kid could help generate revenue for the athletic department.

[Pakuni]

For giggles, they claim through his AAU coach that other schools have reached out get him to transfer..to Utah, UNLV, Boise State and others....that would be tampering through back channels.  Now, is any of this true?  Who knows, but this is why programs do what they do.

Given Mountain West intra-conference transfer rules, this makes about zero sense. MWC schools would seem the least likely option for the kid.