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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2150 on: June 29, 2016, 01:45:35 PM »
I'd be surprised if we were influenced. Better chance with Bola.

What's with big 10 kids intraconfrence grad transferring? Would be the second one this year and 4th or 5th in the last three

better start policing those handshake lines.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2151 on: June 29, 2016, 03:40:08 PM »
Yah, its bizarre. You'd think the B10 would put an end to that as it could result in coaches recruiting other teams guys.  Seems assbackwards.

Why? Because some kid who is intelligent enough to graduate early actually might have a tiny advantage in a system that otherwise is tilted heavily against the student/athlete?

If you can graduate early, you deserve to be able to choose whatever landing spot you want. You shouldn't be legislated out of choosing where you want to go.

Just my 3 cents.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2152 on: June 29, 2016, 03:50:58 PM »
Why? Because some kid who is intelligent enough to graduate early actually might have a tiny advantage in a system that otherwise is tilted heavily against the student/athlete?

If you can graduate early, you deserve to be able to choose whatever landing spot you want. You shouldn't be legislated out of choosing where you want to go.

Just my 3 cents.

Because there are literally 345 other schools you could go to. 

Let's say a guy like JJJ decided to grad transfer this season, but decided to go to Creighton or Butler for his 4th season. So the school in Marquette that has invested a great deal of time and $ in JJJ for 3 years (generally 4 in the case of grad transfer) to develop that player, just so he can go a play for a conference rival his final season?

I think the Big East has it right on this rule.  It doesn't seem quite right.  I am not super passionate about it or anything, but asking the player to take his talents to another conference isn't too much to ask, IMO. The ACC, SEC, PAC 12, Big East or Big 12 have plenty of teams that White could go to.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2153 on: June 29, 2016, 04:28:26 PM »
Because there are literally 345 other schools you could go to. 

Let's say a guy like JJJ decided to grad transfer this season, but decided to go to Creighton or Butler for his 4th season. So the school in Marquette that has invested a great deal of time and $ in JJJ for 3 years (generally 4 in the case of grad transfer) to develop that player, just so he can go a play for a conference rival his final season?

I think the Big East has it right on this rule.  It doesn't seem quite right.  I am not super passionate about it or anything, but asking the player to take his talents to another conference isn't too much to ask, IMO. The ACC, SEC, PAC 12, Big East or Big 12 have plenty of teams that White could go to.

Not only is there the "rivalry" factor--the transferring player is taking the old coach's playbook, and first-hand scouting on every player on the roster far beyond what you can get from video. 

This not only affects the rivalry--it unnaturally upsets the competitive balance between the teams for up to 3 seasons.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2154 on: June 29, 2016, 04:34:48 PM »
Why? Because some kid who is intelligent enough to graduate early actually might have a tiny advantage in a system that otherwise is tilted heavily against the student/athlete?

If you can graduate early, you deserve to be able to choose whatever landing spot you want. You shouldn't be legislated out of choosing where you want to go.

Just my 3 cents.

He didn't graduate early. He transferred from Kansas so he had another year to sit out and go,to school.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2155 on: June 29, 2016, 04:39:43 PM »
Galen Alexander has Marquette in his Final 7. Said he will be visiting in the future. Kid is a 2017 SF that is 6'6", 215. #63 on the 247 Composite.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2157 on: June 29, 2016, 06:03:59 PM »
Because there are literally 345 other schools you could go to. 

Let's say a guy like JJJ decided to grad transfer this season, but decided to go to Creighton or Butler for his 4th season. So the school in Marquette that has invested a great deal of time and $ in JJJ for 3 years (generally 4 in the case of grad transfer) to develop that player, just so he can go a play for a conference rival his final season?

I think the Big East has it right on this rule.  It doesn't seem quite right.  I am not super passionate about it or anything, but asking the player to take his talents to another conference isn't too much to ask, IMO. The ACC, SEC, PAC 12, Big East or Big 12 have plenty of teams that White could go to.

I believe that you are overlooking the rationale for the grad transfer rule.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2158 on: June 29, 2016, 06:26:38 PM »
I agree with 5J on this. I think eliminating intra-conference transfers is a common sense limitation.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2159 on: June 29, 2016, 06:56:12 PM »
https://twitter.com/_waterboyg/status/748262561678667777

Nice. Never seen him play but everything I've read indicates he would be a great addition. Only 2 schools on that list truly scare me. Arizona (duh) and LSU (hometown advantage).
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2160 on: June 29, 2016, 06:56:20 PM »
Theo John interviewed on Channel 5 tonight   16 offers so far.  6'9", 230, and pretty damned athletic.

He breaks up his daily workouts into 5 sessions every day. Kid's a gym rat.

We need him.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2161 on: June 29, 2016, 07:23:20 PM »
good work Real.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2162 on: June 29, 2016, 07:31:59 PM »
Intraconference - schools still have the power, in form. So, no need to debate it. Exercise it or shuttup.

In reality... who cares?

Grad transfer overall - should not be an exception or common waiver. Sit one year in residence. If your true interest is in a graduate degree, spend two years there, c'mon. FOH with this. Simple

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2163 on: June 29, 2016, 07:42:13 PM »
Nice. Never seen him play but everything I've read indicates he would be a great addition. Only 2 schools on that list truly scare me. Arizona (duh) and LSU (hometown advantage).

And as Shaq said, LSU pays really well.

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2164 on: June 29, 2016, 08:10:36 PM »
Theo John interviewed on Channel 5 tonight   16 offers so far.  6'9", 230, and pretty damned athletic.

He breaks up his daily workouts into 5 sessions every day. Kid's a gym rat.

We need him.

Theo just started following Stan so we're good.....'

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2165 on: June 29, 2016, 08:48:24 PM »
Intraconference - schools still have the power, in form. So, no need to debate it. Exercise it or shuttup.

In reality... who cares?

Grad transfer overall - should not be an exception or common waiver. Sit one year in residence. If your true interest is in a graduate degree, spend two years there, c'mon. FOH with this. Simple

If you're preparing for a life after basketball, instead of putting yourself in a better position to impress NBA scouts, a second year of paid graduate school tuition and expenses should be a blessing.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2166 on: June 29, 2016, 09:08:05 PM »
I believe that you are overlooking the rationale for the grad transfer rule.

Let's call it what it is - the majority of grad transfers and VAST majority going to high major programs aren't doing it for the academics.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2167 on: June 29, 2016, 09:20:18 PM »
There is no reasonable rationale for the grad transfer rule.

It's outrageous.

Allow it, but make them sit out a year in residence as all (yeah yeah) transfers do.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2168 on: June 29, 2016, 09:22:07 PM »
There is no reasonable rationale for the grad transfer rule.

It's outrageous.

Allow it, but make them sit out a year in residence as all (yeah yeah) transfers do.

You would be all over someone for making such a false statement.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2169 on: June 29, 2016, 09:22:51 PM »
Let's call it what it is - the majority of grad transfers and VAST majority going to high major programs aren't doing it for the academics.

By adding limits to the rule to make it more like the regular transfer rules, the NCAA is abandoning the rationale.  If the NCAA abandons the rationale, then the reason for the rule is gone and the rule should disappear conpletely. 

The NCAA is caught in a Catch 22, it would be too difficult to police the transfers for sincerity, so they're just letting all the transfers go through.  As Jay Bee says, individual schools are in a position to police these transfers themselves, but its likely none of them want to face the fallout (hurting recruiting, accusations of taking advantage of students) in order to do so.  It is what it is.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2170 on: June 29, 2016, 09:25:15 PM »
You would be all over someone for making such a false statement.

I qualified it appropriately
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2171 on: June 29, 2016, 09:25:46 PM »
There is no reasonable rationale for the grad transfer rule.

It's outrageous.

Allow it, but make them sit out a year in residence as all (yeah yeah) transfers do.

Allowing (ah-hum) student-athletes to study in the field of study of their choice in graduate school is not a reasonable rationale?  Of course, it is.  Now whether that is what is happening in reality is an altogether different question.
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2172 on: June 29, 2016, 09:27:48 PM »
Allowing (ah-hum) student-athletes to study in the field of study of their choice in graduate school is not a reasonable rationale?  Of course, it is.  Now whether that is what is happening in reality is an altogether different question.

Even that is not a good reason.

So what?

Sit out a year in residence like every other transfer.

If you wanted to do that study, then go to that school where it's available.

Horrible argument.

"I decided I want to study this, and I graduated in 4 years.. so give me special treatment!!!" FOH
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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2173 on: June 29, 2016, 09:29:10 PM »
Even that is not a good reason.

So what?

Sit out a year in residence like every other transfer.

If you wanted to do that study, then go to that school where it's available.

Horrible argument.

Aren't there one year graduate programs?  Doesn't MU have one in sports leadership or some such thing?
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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Re: Recruiting as of 6/15/16
« Reply #2174 on: June 29, 2016, 09:32:39 PM »
Aren't there one year graduate programs?  Doesn't MU have one in sports leadership or some such thing?

YES AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS AFTER AND THAT IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE RULE. IT'S COMPLETELY REASONABLE!!!!!!
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