Celtics offer Jae $1.2mil

[Celtic Truth]

The Celtics gave jae a $1.2mil qualifying offer, making him a restricted free agent. I really hope he stays in Boston, I think playing for Stevens is ideal and he quickly became a fan favorite in Boston because of his MU toughness.

[Celtic Truth]

In other Celtics news, Brad Stevens brought Alex Barlow in to be an assistant coach for the Cs. I loved him as a player. It says a lot about a guy to go from an unrecruited player to a walk on, to one of the better point guards in the country(if you don't agree watch the game vs UNC where he dominated Marcus Paige). I wish him the best, and hope he succeeds in Boston with Stevens

[MUHoopsFan2]

The Celtics gave jae a $1.2mil qualifying offer, making him a restricted free agent. I really hope he stays in Boston, I think playing for Stevens is ideal and he quickly became a fan favorite in Boston because of his MU toughness.

I hope the Bucks get him....he would be a great grunt player for any team. And inexpensive 7th 8th or 9th man.

[Class71]

Better off at Boston, bigger market, better coach and a better fit on  a team with a great history of winners.

[Tugg Speedman]

Better off at Boston, bigger market, better coach and a better fit on  a team with a great history of winners.

Population of Milwaukee = 600,000 (rank 31)
Population of Boston = 645.000 (rank 24)

People always greatly over-inflate the size and importance of Boston

regarding the rest

Kidd = Stevens

Bucks (now) better than Celtics (now)

Bucks, better team, same coaching talent, same TV market.

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If TV market matters, try these markets (which I bet you thought were all larger than Boston)

Indianapolis, 848,000 (rank 14)
Columbus 836,000 (rank 15)
Detroit 680,000 (rank 24)
Memphis 657,000 (rank 23)

[Litehouse]

You need to look at the entire region(MSA), not just the city of Boston, especially for TV markets.
Boston MSA = 4.5M (rank 10)
Milwaukee MSA = 1.5M (rank 39)

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Population of Milwaukee = 600,000 (rank 31)
Population of Boston = 645.000 (rank 24)

People always greatly over-inflate the size and importance of Boston

regarding the rest

Kidd = Stevens

Bucks (now) better than Celtics (now)

Bucks, better team, same coaching talent, same TV market.

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If TV market matters, try these markets (which I bet you thought were all larger than Boston)

Indianapolis, 848,000 (rank 14)
Columbus 836,000 (rank 15)
Detroit 680,000 (rank 24)
Memphis 657,000 (rank 23)

Lufehouse stole my post.

[brewcity77]

You need to look at the entire region(MSA), not just the city of Boston, especially for TV markets.
Boston MSA = 4.5M (rank 10)
Milwaukee MSA = 1.5M (rank 39)

This exactly. Media market size does not equal city limits population.

[mileskishnish72]

The good part is that the local media are indicating that a multi-year deal will likely be the result. Not sure how the cap increase that is coming fits in to what he should do.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Here's the official Nielsen list.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/Nielsen_2014-2015_DMA_Ranks.pdf

Boston is actually 7th.
Milwaukee is 35th.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Here's the official Nielsen list.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/Nielsen_2014-2015_DMA_Ranks.pdf

Boston is actually 7th.
Milwaukee is 35th.

MSA is a Radio term so maybe poster earlier was looking at Arbitron markets (MSAs)

Nielsen is TV...so you are correct.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Lufehouse stole my post.

I'm looking for a Lufehouse...

[slack00]

I'm looking for a Lufehouse...

Look in Toledo by Teve.

[Celtic Truth]

Population of Milwaukee = 600,000 (rank 31)
Population of Boston = 645.000 (rank 24)

People always greatly over-inflate the size and importance of Boston

regarding the rest

Kidd = Stevens

Bucks (now) better than Celtics (now)

Bucks, better team, same coaching talent, same TV market.

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If TV market matters, try these markets (which I bet you thought were all larger than Boston)

Indianapolis, 848,000 (rank 14)
Columbus 836,000 (rank 15)
Detroit 680,000 (rank 24)
Memphis 657,000 (rank 23)

Did he really try to compare Boston to Milwaukee in terms of size/importance? And the Celtics franchise compared to the Bucks? WOW

[4everwarriors]

I'm looking for a Lufehouse...

That's where bj's are a sawbuck, ai na?

[Coleman]

You need to look at the entire region(MSA), not just the city of Boston, especially for TV markets.
Boston MSA = 4.5M (rank 10)
Milwaukee MSA = 1.5M (rank 39)

This.

Milwaukee is one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Boston one of the biggest. Its fan base includes all of New England


If you really want to see which city is more important, compare the number of destinations out of Logan and Mitchell.

[JWags85]

Also, Kidd=Stevens?  I think Kidd has come a long ways and is a good coach, but Stevens is already thought of as one of the top X and Os guys in the league and what he did to get that Cs team to the playoffs was tremendous.

[MUMonster03]

This.

Milwaukee is one of the smallest markets in the NBA. Boston one of the biggest. Its fan base includes all of New England


If you really want to see which city is more important, compare the number of destinations out of Logan and Mitchell.

Of the 27 US Markets that have teams only 3 are smaller than Milwaukee; Oklahoma City, Memphis, and New Orleans.

In ranking of all 30 teams Milwaukee would be 27th. (Not sure where Toronto falls but I would assume top 10, hence why all major leagues are there or have interest)

[Coleman]

Of the 27 US Markets that have teams only 3 are smaller than Milwaukee; Oklahoma City, Memphis, and New Orleans.

In ranking of all 30 teams Milwaukee would be 27th. (Not sure where Toronto falls but I would assume top 10, hence why all major leagues are there or have interest)

Yeah Toronto is huge. Would be the 3rd largest city if it was in the USA, after New York and LA...its bigger than Chicago. MSA is is about 6 million.

[Skatastrophy]

Yeah Toronto is huge. Would be the 3rd largest city if it was in the USA, after New York and LA...its bigger than Chicago. MSA is is about 6 million.

Chicago MSA is 9.5 million. Dallas, Ft. Worth is 6.9. Houston is 6.4. Philly is 6. DC is 6. Miami is 5.9.

Toronto would be, maybe, in the top 10.

[Coleman]

Chicago MSA is 9.5 million. Dallas, Ft. Worth is 6.9. Houston is 6.4. Philly is 6. DC is 6. Miami is 5.9.

Toronto would be, maybe, in the top 10.

Right, but also being the only team in Canada,  their media market is bigger than all of these except Chicago.

According to Nielson, they are the #6 media market team after New York (Brooklyn/Knicks) LA (Clippers/Lakers) and Chicago (Bulls).

[Skatastrophy]

Right, but also being the only team in Canada,  their media market is bigger than all of these except Chicago.

According to Nielson, they are the #6 media market team after New York (Brooklyn/Knicks) LA (Clippers/Lakers) and Chicago (Bulls).

Ahh I gotcha. I thought we were still talking statistical areas. Mea culpa.

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You can all suck it.

[Coleman]

Ahh I gotcha. I thought we were still talking statistical areas. Mea culpa.

We probably were. haha. my bad

[mileskishnish72]

SBNation is predicting a 4-yr. $28mil contract with the C's for jae. And 4-yr. $52 mil for Wesley with the Mavs(!?).

[LAMUfan]

4 year 52 mil is a great deal for a team on Wes.  I'm looking at you bucks

[CAGASS24]

Wade, Matthews, Butler and Jae - MU's alumni base is adding about 250 mil huh - man alive

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

SBNation is predicting a 4-yr. $28mil contract with the C's for jae. And 4-yr. $52 mil for Wesley with the Mavs(!?).

Wait...for real?  Jae parlayed those couple good months into an expected 4-year $28M deal? If so, good for him!!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

You need to look at the entire region(MSA), not just the city of Boston, especially for TV markets.
Boston MSA = 4.5M (rank 10)
Milwaukee MSA = 1.5M (rank 39)

+33

[Dr. Blackheart]

Wade, Matthews, Butler and Jae - MU's alumni base is adding about 250 mil huh - man alive

Half of MU's endowment. Only one of these great players would be recruited today.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Half of MU's endowment. Only one of these great players would be recruited today.

Given that Wojo has already signed a player who will make tens of millions in the NBA, I'm okay with the new recruiting philosophy. 

[brewcity77]

Half of MU's endowment. Only one of these great players would be recruited today.

Maybe two. With three years of eligibility, it wouldn't have been tough to get Jimmy on track to graduate. But definitely not DW or Jae.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Maybe two. With three years of eligibility, it wouldn't have been tough to get Jimmy on track to graduate. But definitely not DW or Jae.

Doubtful a JUCO of any kind would be looked at seriously today, especially Jimmy who committed before he visited. Two non-graduates (plus three more non-gad NBA'ers with Vander, Lazar and Buycks), and we have ourselves an elitism dilemma. Compare these salaries and school debt with the valedictorians of their classes.  It is a grey area but MU has lost its way from its roots as a school who honors "firsts".

[mileskishnish72]

Is there any source that documents who has graduated and who has not? It would be interesting to see how we compare to several other schools. I remember finding some data that had us as one of only a handful of schools that had a 100% grad rate for black basketball players but that data is rather dated. Anyone got a place to go?

[VegasWarrior77]

Per ESPN: Jae signs with the Celtics for 5 years/$35M...

[withoutbias]

i think jae's college drop out self is doing just fine.

a lack of a piece of paper doesn't make him any less of a human being, despite what some here would like you to believe.

[Celtic Truth]

Awesome, glad that he'll be wearing green the next 5 years

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Between the 4 of them they could put a hefty chunk into the new arena by themselves and make the Bucks pay rent...Never thought id see the day where Jae Crowder would be getting a 5 year 35 million dollar deal. Wow.

[brewcity77]

Doubtful a JUCO of any kind would be looked at seriously today, especially Jimmy who committed before he visited. Two non-graduates (plus three more non-gad NBA'ers with Vander, Lazar and Buycks), and we have ourselves an elitism dilemma. Compare these salaries and school debt with the valedictorians of their classes.  It is a grey area but MU has lost its way from its roots as a school who honors "firsts".

Jameel McKay committed and enrolled at Marquette after the JUCO clamps started coming down. That worked out because the staff was able to work with him to make sure he'd be on track to graduate. Wojo looked at a number of JUCOs this year and offered at least one (Maurice O'Field). The common thread of guys he was interested in was that many were full qualifiers out of high school like Tyrone Outlaw, who played a year at UNC-Greensboro before enrolling at Lee College.

Marquette won't continue to be JUCO U, but that doesn't mean we won't occasionally go down that road if they meet the criteria. FWIW, I had no problem with Wade or Crowder getting a shot. Especially Crowder, who was behind the 8-ball because one non-accredited school sold him a bill of goods. No, he wasn't going to graduate, but the kid was still a credit to Marquette.

i think jae's college drop out self is doing just fine.

a lack of a piece of paper doesn't make him any less of a human being, despite what some here would like you to believe.

No one here is saying that.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Brew,

Coach K has signed exactly one JUCO, and he never showed up. Sure, as a possibility, Wojo may look or sign one in a pinch (and MU had a spot for O'Field twice this Spring if they wanted him), but I doubt seriously we will see one at MU (remembering O'Field had academic eligibility issues even at ETSU as a frosh commit).  Also, the McKay situation under Buzz didn't really help things at all with the admin with Juco's (or certain alums). I think those days are about done.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Carrick-Felix-won-t-play-at-Duke-but-he-has-oth?urn=ncaab,243610

[brewcity77]

I don't think it will be near as common, and I certainly don't think Wojo will build his foundation of success on JUCOs like Buzz did, I'm just saying that it's not a closed door.

If a fully qualified JUCO or a kid with solid academics and three years eligibility were available, I think they would be options. I am fully under the impression Marquette would have taken O'Field, he just chose to commit to Hurley (twice).

EDIT: That said, I agree that we probably won't see near as many JUCO targets, and have a feeling Wojo is more likely to follow the recruiting plan K used as he gets his own guys in here. If we didn't see a JUCO for a decade or more, it wouldn't surprise me.