2015-16 NFC North/NFL Thread

[mu03eng]

C'mon.  You just used that reference in the Meme Thread. 

3rd shooter then??

[brandx]

Thanks Sir Larry & Hairy for the kind thoughts, much appreciated. Glad to be talking football and not cancer!

I hated the Kevin White pick. To me, this is why self scouting yourself is as important as anything. The Bears aren't going anywhere this year or next (this is part of the reason I hated the Fox hire). They tried like hell to get rid of Cutler (he's gone after next year) and this will be Forte's last season. Why would you draft a kid that had one good year of college production, at a skill position? Especially in a draft deep with wideouts.

As soon as Leonard Williams dropped to six, I felt the Bears should have come up with a package for the Jets to consider. I have not heard that they had a conversation. This team needs to be gutted and built back up, I don't believe Kevin White will get you back to contending any sooner.

As a GB fan, the two guys I was hoping the Bears didn't get were Williams and Scherf. Once they went off the board at #5 & #6, I thought it only made sense to trade down to get the extra picks they desperately need.

[jesmu84]

Thoughts on GB using a pick on a QB?

[JWags85]

Thoughts on GB using a pick on a QB?

Brett Hundley could be the worst "good" college QB under pressure I've ever seen.  Has all the tools but was a mental midget in crunch time.

[jesmu84]

Shocking news... Patriots caught cheating again. Not that every player/team probably doesn't as well. But we've definitely got a pattern throughout history with them.

[tower912]

They will pay their fine and win another Super Bowl.

[brandx]

Shocking news... Patriots caught cheating again. Not that every player/team probably doesn't as well. But we've definitely got a pattern throughout history with them.

I'll still take the Patriots over the Cowboys and Jerry Jones anytime.

[jsglow]

Brett Hundley could be the worst "good" college QB under pressure I've ever seen.  Has all the tools but was a mental midget in crunch time.

Agree with that and we'll see what MM can do with him over the next 2-3 years.  Either they spent little (5th round) on an experiment, got good developmental trade bait, or found ARodg's eventual replacement.  I trust Hundley knows he's the luckiest guy in the draft.  Let's hope he's never active this year and only plays 4th Q pre-season mop up.  Scott needs the reps this summer.

[hairy worthen]

Thoughts on GB using a pick on a QB?

Meh,  that's my thought.

They will develop him and hopefully he will show enough in pre season to use as trade bait a few years down the road. He will not be Rodgers replacement.

 Ron Wolf did the same thing numerous times and it paid off for them, IE: Ty Detmer, Brunell, Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks. Smart strategy actually.

[jsglow]

Meh,  that's my thought.

They will develop him and hopefully he will show enough in pre season to use as trade bait a few years down the road. He will not be Rodgers replacement.

 Ron Wolf did the same thing numerous times and it paid off for them, IE: Ty Detmer, Brunell, Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks. Smart strategy actually.

Wolf was a master at that.  I sense that TT learned his lesson a couple years back.  I think Tolzien is a competent enough backup now after two years in the system and the new kid will be an interesting development prospect.  Who knows if he ever becomes anything.  The reality is that losing the MVP for more than 3-4 games will always threaten a team's playoff chances.

[jsglow]

Some cities aren't meant to have football.  In a tee shirt and shorts? After one hour?

[jsglow]

4 games for Brady and a 2016 first round pick forfeited. 

[Sir Lawrence]

4 games for Brady and a 2016 first round pick forfeited. 

Appeal, arbitration, knocked down substantially is my prediction.

[jesmu84]

This punishment was for 2 reasons, and 2 reasons only:

1. Public opinion
2. Pats history

[ATWizJr]

This punishment was for 2 reasons, and 2 reasons only:

1. Public opinion
2. Pats history

no, the punishment was also for, lying and refusing to cooperate with a league investigation, imo.

[withoutbias]

i don't see this suspension getting reduced.  people siting the fact that there is no hard evidence to prove brady knew about any of this or that brady is guilty need to realize that this is not the court of law.  people are suspended and even fired for things that aren't against the law, but are against a code of conduct expected in their working environment.  no different than this.  sure brady has the right to sue the nfl for whatever pay he is set to make in those first 4 games.  good luck to him, but it doesn't mean the nfl can't suspend him.

[mu03eng]

I don't think that can reduce the number of games, would just further expose what a laughable mess the NFL punishment system is.  The VP of discipline handed down the punishment but it had to be approved by the commissioner before being handed down.  The appeal of the suspension goes to......the commissioner.  So if they reduce the suspension, unless Brady presents some kind of new evidence, the whole thing will be exposed as PR and media driven activity.

Not that they aren't already exposed, but still.

[MerrittsMustache]

i don't see this suspension getting reduced.  people siting the fact that there is no hard evidence to prove brady knew about any of this or that brady is guilty need to realize that this is not the court of law.  people are suspended and even fired for things that aren't against the law, but are against a code of conduct expected in their working environment.  no different than this.  sure brady has the right to sue the nfl for whatever pay he is set to make in those first 4 games.  good luck to him, but it doesn't mean the nfl can't suspend him.

In an actual court of law, Brady's former teammate was just convicted of murder based on circumstantial evidence. When people make the argument that there's no "hard evidence" or "smoking gun" to conclude that Brady had knowledge of what was going on, they're showing their ignorance.

[withoutbias]

In an actual court of law, Brady's former teammate was just convicted of murder based on circumstantial evidence. When people make the argument that there's no "hard evidence" or "smoking gun" to conclude that Brady had knowledge of what was going on, they're showing their ignorance.

good point.

[Sir Lawrence]

In an actual court of law, Brady's former teammate was just convicted of murder based on circumstantial evidence. When people make the argument that there's no "hard evidence" or "smoking gun" to conclude that Brady had knowledge of what was going on, they're showing their ignorance.

good point.

Agree.  People are convicted of crimes every day with only circumstantial evidence.  Direct evidence, like eye witness observations, can be horribly inaccurate.  I still think, however, that the inevitable appeal will result in a reduction of the punishment. 

[tower912]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/05/14/corey-wootton-detroit-lions/27299857/

Bears fans, Viking fans, is this guy any good or is he just a rotation/depth guy?

[DegenerateDish]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/05/14/corey-wootton-detroit-lions/27299857/

Bears fans, Viking fans, is this guy any good or is he just a rotation/depth guy?

Depth guy, worth the inexpensive contract. Might show something here or there. Ending Favre's career will always be his claim to fame.