Diamond Stone and the Bucky nation

[tower912]

In the end, a talented 18 year old decided to play basketball for Maryland and not his home state university.
But what this reveals about the badger faithful is revealing.   We all know the rants, the code words, the racism, the insecurities, the irrationality.   It is fun to engage in schadenfreude and take amusement in their tortured anguish.    And yes it is fans being fans, a small percentage of their supporters, and all fanbases act like that.  
 So let's not.  Use your MU education, use what the Jesuits taught you to resolve to be the anti-badger fanbase.    Use your logic and not your just your gut.    Don't fall into the trap of lowest common denominator message board clichés.   Don't attack 18-22 year old kids.   An 18 year old choosing another school is not a personal reflection on you.    Neither is a kid making or missing a jump shot.    Raise the level of your own discourse.   Don't act like a badger fan.   Act like an adult who knows better.   Use the rodents as a cautionary tale, not role models.   When they act like this, you have the moral high ground to mock the living crap out of them.    Finally, somewhere in Wisconsin, there is a kid with great basketball skills who pays attention to message boards and is resolving to never go to Madison because of those jack-holes.    

[brewcity77]

I agree completely. While there are the occasional exceptions, I do feel the attacks from our camp on committing recruits are fewer and further between. Maybe because we have a smaller fanbase. But this past year, I don't remember any Marquette people bashing Jimmy Whitt or Akoy Agau when they went elsewhere. The last one I remember was someone going off on Kendrick Nunn, but it was definitely fairly isolated.

What amazed me was there seemed to be as many if not more attacks on Stone than there were congratulations. And the coach's own daughter joining in? Actually...that didn't amaze me. As soon as I saw Maryland announced, I expected it. Just like we saw with Looney and Tokoto.

[Marquette Fan in WI]

The one thing that I don't understand.
When Maryland and Rutgers joined the Big Ten there was a big deal made how it was a good match because both were on similar academic levels as the other schools.
Does each school even within a conference hold their own academic admissions standards...is that the argument?
The data doesn't look that different
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

How come Northwestern never makes excuses?

This whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.

[ecompt]

In the end, I talented 18 year old decided to play basketball for Maryland and not his home state university.
But what this reveals about the badger faithful is revealing.   We all know the rants, the code words, the racism, the insecurities, the irrationality.   It is fun to engage in schadenfreude and take amusement in their tortured anguish.    And yes it is fans being fans, a small percentage of their supporters, and all fanbases act like that.   
 So let's not.  Use your MU education, use what the Jesuits taught you to resolve to be the anti-badger fanbase.    Use your logic and not your just your gut.    Don't fall into the trap of lowest common denominator message board clichés.   Don't attack 18-22 year old kids.   An 18 year old choosing another school is not a personal reflection on you.    Neither is a kid making or missing a jump shot.    Raise the level of your own discourse.   Don't act like a badger fan.   Act like an adult who knows better.   Use the rodents as a cautionary tale, not role models.   When they act like this, you have the moral high ground to mock the living crap out of them.    Finally, somewhere in Wisconsin, there is a kid with great basketball skills who pays attention to message boards and is resolving to never go to Madison because of those jack-holes.   

Well said. We are ranting about kids here.

[GGGG]

The one thing that I don't understand.
When Maryland and Rutgers joined the Big Ten there was a big deal made how it was a good match because both were on similar academic levels as the other schools.
Does each school even within a conference hold their own academic admissions standards...is that the argument?
The data doesn't look that different
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

How come Northwestern never makes excuses?

This whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.

Diamond Stone was accepted into Madison.  People who say it was about academics are either overlooking, or are ignorant, of that fact.

[mu03eng]

The one thing that I don't understand.
When Maryland and Rutgers joined the Big Ten there was a big deal made how it was a good match because both were on similar academic levels as the other schools.
Does each school even within a conference hold their own academic admissions standards...is that the argument?
The data doesn't look that different
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

How come Northwestern never makes excuses?

This whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.

Each school "interprets" the standards their own way.  All NCAA schools have the same academic standards they have to meet to avoid penalty from the NCAA but there are a combination of measurements and they are on sliding scales so there can be a lot of differentiation in the interpretation.  It also has to do with not just the individual student but the group of students currently enrolled in the athletic programs.  So if you got a lot of really qualified students already, you can take more risk with a less qualified student.

Bucky doesn't have lower standards, in fact, they have taken student athletes with a lower academic profile than Diamond Stone.  It's really an excuse by Bucky fans to justify why a recruiting relationship didn't work.  Stone going to Maryland might have been a Wisconsin choice or a Stone choice, or both.....but academic standards being "high" at Wisconsin didn't play a part in it.

[mu03eng]

Diamond Stone was accepted into Madison.  People who say it was about academics are either overlooking, or are ignorant, of that fact.

This is 100% correct

[Hards Alumni]

The one thing that I don't understand.
When Maryland and Rutgers joined the Big Ten there was a big deal made how it was a good match because both were on similar academic levels as the other schools.
Does each school even within a conference hold their own academic admissions standards...is that the argument?
The data doesn't look that different
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

How come Northwestern never makes excuses?

This whole thing just rubs me the wrong way.

Because its bull plop.  Follow the shoe money.

[Groin_pull]

God, this Big 10-academics bullsh*t is so tiresome.

[The Loud Guy]

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[Litehouse]

So is this the thread where we mock the living crap out of them?

[hairy worthen]

I agree completely. While there are the occasional exceptions, I do feel the attacks from our camp on committing recruits are fewer and further between. Maybe because we have a smaller fanbase. But this past year, I don't remember any Marquette people bashing Jimmy Whitt or Akoy Agau when they went elsewhere. The last one I remember was someone going off on Kendrick Nunn, but it was definitely fairly isolated.

What amazed me was there seemed to be as many if not more attacks on Stone than there were congratulations. And the coach's own daughter joining in? Actually...that didn't amaze me. As soon as I saw Maryland announced, I expected it. Just like we saw with Looney and Tokoto.

Add Blue and Matthews to that list as well as others I am sure.

[Tugg Speedman]

Diamond Stone was accepted into Madison.  People who say it was about academics are either overlooking, or are ignorant, of that fact.

People, in this case, is Bo Ryan's daughter who claims FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE that he was not accepted into Madison.

The real reason Diamond Stone is not a Wisconsin Badger
http://thevictorylapblog.com/2015/03/the-real-reason-diamond-stone-is-not-a-wisconsin-badger/

excerpt

Diamond’s dad called Coach Ryan’s house and used the phrase “You might want to sit down for this” like he was about to announce the second coming of Jesus Christ. His dad then put Diamond on the phone, and he told Coach that he wanted to be a Badger. The problem was, both parties knew all along he didn’t have the grades/ACT score to get into the University at the time. I know this because Coach’s daughter Brenna answered the phone and was right there when it happened, and she’s a close friend of mine.

So this is more than "people" this is Bo Ryan's daughter.  None of these tweets or blog posts have been taken down.  

Should we believe Bo endorses his daughter, after all she claims to have answered the phone when the Stone's called and was in the room to hear the conservation.

[GGGG]

We have had Badger insiders, as well as others, state matter of fact that Diamond was admitted into UW in just the last couple of weeks.  I don't care what Bo Ryan's daughter said to her friend back in November.

Furthermore here is what it says "both parties knew all along he didn’t have the grades/ACT score to get into the University at the time."

"At the time" is very important here.

[tower912]

Diamond verbals to Wiscy but doesn't have the scores.   He gets the scores, but by then has changed his mind.   It isn't that difficult to believe or understand. 

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

We have had Badger insiders, as well as others, state matter of fact that Diamond was admitted into UW in just the last couple of weeks.  I don't care what Bo Ryan's daughter said to her friend back in November.

Furthermore here is what it says "both parties knew all along he didn’t have the grades/ACT score to get into the University at the time."

"At the time" is very important here.

Not to mention, if you believe this account, why was Madison still pursuing him if all parties knew he couldn't get in?

This whole thing is dumb. Best of luck to Stone. Badger nation can pound sand.

[Tugg Speedman]

We have had Badger insiders, as well as others, state matter of fact that Diamond was admitted into UW in just the last couple of weeks.  I don't care what Bo Ryan's daughter said to her friend back in November.

Furthermore here is what it says "both parties knew all along he didn’t have the grades/ACT score to get into the University at the time."

"At the time" is very important here.

You're over-reading this.  The title is the "real reason Diamond Stone is not a Wisconsin Badger"  It starts with he did not qualify last fall (side note, I would bet this is true for a lot of players) and continues to say he never qualified.  

Anonymous "insiders" are a bunch of idiots making up stuff behind pretend names.  Here we have someone in the room claiming first hand knowledge in their real name.

And yes Brenna Ryan endorsed this story, she tweeted out the link the second this blog was posted (yesteday morning).

Should I conclude that Bo endorses this attack on Diamond?  Is Bo also ok with his daughter describing this final four run as #whitebballscucess?

[GGGG]

You're over-reading this.  The title is the "real reason Diamond Stone is not a Wisconsin Badger"  It starts with he did not qualify last fall (side note, I would bet this is true for a lot of players) and continues to say he never qualified. 

Anonymous "insiders" are a bunch of idiots making up stuff behind pretend names.  Here we have someone in the room claiming first hand knowledge in their real name.

And yes Brenna Ryan endorsed this story, she tweeted out the link the second this blog was posted (yesteday morning).

So why should I conclude that Bo endorses this attack on Diamond?  Is Bo also ok with his daughter descibing this final four run as #whitebballscucess?

Fine.  You can believe Bo Ryan's daughter if you want.  She seems like a nice gal.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Diamond verbals to Wiscy but doesn't have the scores.   He gets the scores, but by then has changed his mind.   It isn't that difficult to believe or understand. 

This seems shockingly simple, and therefore, highly likely.

[Tugg Speedman]

Fine.  You can believe Bo Ryan's daughter if you want.  She seems like a nice gal.

To be clear what I'm arguing.  I think this is a devastating and completely unwarranted attack on Diamond and Bo should be embarrassed, make Brenna take it all down, and both of them should personally apologize to him.

So far Bo and Brenna are not.

Side note - Brenna seems like a spoiled entitled teenager.

[WarriorFan]

Bottom line is that Diamond is a great player.  He's going to kick a$$ at Maryland.  It will be fun to watch the diaspora of Wisconsin talent grow.

[TheGym]

People, in this case, is Bo Ryan's daughter who claims FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE that he was not accepted into Madison.

The real reason Diamond Stone is not a Wisconsin Badger
http://thevictorylapblog.com/2015/03/the-real-reason-diamond-stone-is-not-a-wisconsin-badger/

excerpt

Diamond’s dad called Coach Ryan’s house and used the phrase “You might want to sit down for this” like he was about to announce the second coming of Jesus Christ. His dad then put Diamond on the phone, and he told Coach that he wanted to be a Badger. The problem was, both parties knew all along he didn’t have the grades/ACT score to get into the University at the time. I know this because Coach’s daughter Brenna answered the phone and was right there when it happened, and she’s a close friend of mine.

So this is more than "people" this is Bo Ryan's daughter.  None of these tweets or blog posts have been taken down.  

Should we believe Bo endorses his daughter, after all she claims to have answered the phone when the Stone's called and was in the room to hear the conservation.

I call BS, when was the last time your teenager answered your house phone (if you even have one)?  Also, there is no way that Stone does not have Bo's cell phone number.

[mu03eng]

Guys the whole story is crap....Stone got into UW but chose a different path.....anything else is just CYA Badger fanboy crap.

Heisenburg, there is nothing for Bo and his daughter to apologize for....in the end who cares.  Badger fans got caught playing the "academics" card that isn't true, let's all move on since we already knew they were full of crap anyway.

[Pakuni]

Guys the whole story is crap....Stone got into UW but chose a different path.....anything else is just CYA Badger fanboy crap.

Heisenburg, there is nothing for Bo and his daughter to apologize for....in the end who cares.  Badger fans got caught playing the "academics" card that isn't true, let's all move on since we already knew they were full of crap anyway.

+1
I'm just glad we can stop planning the funeral for Marquette Basketball and next year's UW national championship parade.

[Tugg Speedman]

Guys the whole story is crap....Stone got into UW but chose a different path.....anything else is just CYA Badger fanboy crap.

Heisenburg, there is nothing for Bo and his daughter to apologize for....in the end who cares.  Badger fans got caught playing the "academics" card that isn't true, let's all move on since we already knew they were full of crap anyway.

The NCAA has rules that prohibit a coach from talking about recruits.  You cannot get around that by having your daughter in the room to blog and tweet about it.

If Bo wants future recruits to know that his family will tweet and blog disparaging information should they say no to him, and his daughter celebrating that "white" Bucky won, then good luck on the recruiting trail Bo.  

You cannot live on marginal three star kids that sit on the bench their entire freshman year that blow up into national POY candidates their senior year.  That is not a strategy, that is blind luck.  To stay good you have to recruit 4 and 5 star types and some of them are "inner city kids."

Bo has to be worried that Diamond is just the next in a long line of inner city kids that make Bucky their second choice.  His daughter is not helping his cause.  I'll ask again, has anyone from Bo's family (or even Bo) slammed a white recruit in this manner that turned Bo down?