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Author Topic: The Bears and Ray McDonald  (Read 3501 times)

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The Bears and Ray McDonald
« on: March 25, 2015, 05:03:36 PM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-george-mccaskey-ray-mcdonald-signing-20150324-story.html#page=1

Look, if you want to sign Ray McDonald because he is a good football player, just say "we think he can help our team." 

But really, George McCaskey called his parents?  And then you drop this gem:  "An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say."

So you are going to discount the alleged victim because of "bias?"

That is embarrassing.

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 05:06:59 PM »
This wouldn't be the first embarrassing thing George has done...

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 05:09:39 PM »
I know.  And I get that NFL teams are going to sign who they want to sign to help improve the team.  But just SAY that...or say nothing at all.  Don't come up with contorted explanations why. 

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 05:33:21 PM »
doesn't stoop to the level of a convicted criminal signing like the Cowboys and Hardy. but it is close enough.

Can we add the Bears to the same classless group as the Raiders and Cowboys now?

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 06:18:34 PM »
doesn't stoop to the level of a convicted criminal signing like the Cowboys and Hardy. but it is close enough.

Can we add the Bears to the same classless group as the Raiders and Cowboys now?

Come on now.  You can dig up stuff stuff in any teams history of having players who did bad things.  Three teams have no class, and they are ruining it for everybody else........ ?

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 06:46:30 PM »
Hey James Lofton was twice accused of sexual assault, the second incident leading to his release from the Packers.  Yet his name is in the ring of honor.

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 07:57:26 PM »
doesn't stoop to the level of a convicted criminal signing like the Cowboys and Hardy. but it is close enough.

Can we add the Bears to the same classless group as the Raiders and Cowboys now?

Raiders?
What is this, 1972?

brandx

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 10:31:20 PM »
Hey James Lofton was twice accused of sexual assault, the second incident leading to his release from the Packers.  Yet his name is in the ring of honor.

It wasn't his fault - he just had a bad teacher in Mossy Cade ;D

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 11:39:05 AM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-george-mccaskey-ray-mcdonald-signing-20150324-story.html#page=1

Look, if you want to sign Ray McDonald because he is a good football player, just say "we think he can help our team." 

But really, George McCaskey called his parents?  And then you drop this gem:  "An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say."

So you are going to discount the alleged victim because of "bias?"

That is embarrassing.


And there you go.  Two months to the date later and he arrested again.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/25/report-ray-mcdonald-arrested-again/

I'm sure the victims are biased too though right?  Bears should drop him by the end of the day.


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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 03:34:25 PM »
Released by Bears.

brandx

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 03:41:38 PM »
Now if the Cowboys would release Hardy, all would be right with the NFL world. He makes MacDonald with his multiple arrests for violence against women seem like a choir boy.

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 03:41:52 PM »
The Oak Park company could have had a field day with his name but noooo...... Ray had to go out and do what he did.
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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2015, 11:51:31 PM »
Now if the Cowboys would release Hardy, all would be right with the NFL world. He makes MacDonald with his multiple arrests for violence against women seem like a choir boy.

  MacDonald and Hardy are the only things wrong with the NFL?  Boy, is it just me or does this seem not even close to true.

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2015, 11:59:55 PM »
Now if the Cowboys would release Hardy, all would be right with the NFL world. He makes MacDonald with his multiple arrests for violence against women seem like a choir boy.

Not until Rodgers is suspended, like Brady, for overinflated footballs.

Sorry I could not resist.

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2015, 12:07:16 AM »
This entire thing is a mess. At worst, he's guilty of domestic violence. At best, he's a gigantic moron.

The frustrating part of all of this is my belief that the NFL is going to tear itself apart over-regulating something that we have laws in place to deal with. I can understand not signing someone because of bad PR - your right as an organization. But I hope that this talk (and it's been going on for years, but is louder now) about punishing teams that take on "risky players" is more likely to bring about Cuban's vision that the NFL will implode than it will effectively fix the NFL's problems. The first Ray McDonald arrest w/ charges dropped is an example. Suspending at the first sign of inconvenient appearances is going to get them (successfully) sued when there's no due process deployed. The NFL thinks it operates outside of normal rules of employment, and recent challenges in the legal system have shown that that's generally not true.

First - the NFL's problems aren't unique in sports or society. Condemn all you want (and we should), but it's silly to think that the NFL needs to be a moral compass of any sort. Second, the only way to make this BS system work is to begin tagging (read: discriminating against) players as "high risk", based on all sorts of judgmental criteria, and the NFL has extremely questionable judgement. If they ever go this route (and don't bet against stupidity winning out, since the voice of stupidty the media has won out plenty recently with its faux moral outcries), the NFL will have opened itself up to lawsuits and accusations of race, class, yada yada yada that are not based on anything established in a court of law and are not substantiated in any other way other than appearance or inquiry with coaches and teammates.

The NFL is in some pretty deep crap if it continues to attempt to overextend itself in the illusion of morality.

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Re: The Bears and Ray McDonald
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2015, 06:32:24 AM »
This entire thing is a mess. At worst, he's guilty of domestic violence. At best, he's a gigantic moron.

The frustrating part of all of this is my belief that the NFL is going to tear itself apart over-regulating something that we have laws in place to deal with. I can understand not signing someone because of bad PR - your right as an organization. But I hope that this talk (and it's been going on for years, but is louder now) about punishing teams that take on "risky players" is more likely to bring about Cuban's vision that the NFL will implode than it will effectively fix the NFL's problems. The first Ray McDonald arrest w/ charges dropped is an example. Suspending at the first sign of inconvenient appearances is going to get them (successfully) sued when there's no due process deployed. The NFL thinks it operates outside of normal rules of employment, and recent challenges in the legal system have shown that that's generally not true.

First - the NFL's problems aren't unique in sports or society. Condemn all you want (and we should), but it's silly to think that the NFL needs to be a moral compass of any sort. Second, the only way to make this BS system work is to begin tagging (read: discriminating against) players as "high risk", based on all sorts of judgmental criteria, and the NFL has extremely questionable judgement. If they ever go this route (and don't bet against stupidity winning out, since the voice of stupidty the media has won out plenty recently with its faux moral outcries), the NFL will have opened itself up to lawsuits and accusations of race, class, yada yada yada that are not based on anything established in a court of law and are not substantiated in any other way other than appearance or inquiry with coaches and teammates.

The NFL is in some pretty deep crap if it continues to attempt to overextend itself in the illusion of morality.

Again, the NFL, and any company, does not work based on the laws of the United States. Employees in billions of companies are suspended and fined for things that are not against US laws. Companies have the right to hold their employees to certain standards that go above and beyond simply following the laws as a US citizen. They have every right to suspend and fire those people if they do not live up to this standard.
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