Official Transfer Thread

[wadesworld]

Henry would look nice at the three spot.

+1

[brewcity77]

I think we need another forward.

Agreed. One thing about Miller, he is a monster on the defensive glass. He pulled down 28.2% of the opponents missed shots, which was 6th best in the nation. One of our biggest problems is that guy willing to do the dirty work, willing to mix it up down low and just go get the damn ball. Miller is that type of guy. I'd love to see a front court with Fischer, Miller, and Ellenson. That would give a lot of teams problems.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Henry would look nice at the three spot.

Found Henry's stats today and their pretty eye opening:

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0072/1940/RiceLake.pdf

27.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 2.4 bpg, 1.8 apg, 1.4 spg, 2.1 topg

.506 FG/ .234 3FG/ .706 FT

So, uh, Henry's 3pt ability looks to be more hype than reality.  He has great dribbling skills for his size, is decent shooting FT, and can make a midrange shot.  But people really think that a guy shooting .234 from 3 in HS is going to play the 3?  Sorry, HE isn't a 3.  He's a 4 that can dribble.  HE was 32-119 so sample size is plenty large.  One might ask why he shot so many 3's when he was so inefficient at it.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Found Henry's stats today and their pretty eye opening:

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0072/1940/RiceLake.pdf

27.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 2.4 bpg, 1.8 apg, 1.4 spg, 2.1 topg

.506 FG/ .234 3FG/ .706 FT

So, uh, Henry's 3pt ability looks to be more hype than reality.  He has great dribbling skills for his size, is decent shooting FT, and can make a midrange shot.  But people really think that a guy shooting .234 from 3 in HS is going to play the 3?  Sorry, HE isn't a 3.  He's a 4 that can dribble.  HE was 32-119 so sample size is plenty large.  One might ask why he shot so many 3's when he was so inefficient at it.

Triple teams, box and 1s and triangle and 2s where the 2 are both focused on Henry will do that to a person...

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I went back and found his junior stats.

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0052/8985/RiceLake.pdf

He did shoot .369 on 3FG as a junior (38-103) which was respectable.  Still think HE is more of a streak shooter than a pure shooter.  I'll try to catch some of him at State.  Last year he was 0-4 in one game and 3-7 from downtown in the other.  Shot a combined 1-8 at FT line.  Last year I thought he was a streak shooter and Rice Lake lost the title game when HE started launching jumpers down 10 instead of getting his butt inside.

[MarquetteDano]

Agreed. One thing about Miller, he is a monster on the defensive glass. He pulled down 28.2% of the opponents missed shots, which was 6th best in the nation. One of our biggest problems is that guy willing to do the dirty work, willing to mix it up down low and just go get the damn ball. Miller is that type of guy. I'd love to see a front court with Fischer, Miller, and Ellenson. That would give a lot of teams problems.

Defensive rebounding is exactly what we need.  With Anderson graduating we are losing our top rebounder. This, mind you, was on a poor rebounding team.

Unless Fischer really improves or Ellenson is a 7+ rpg as a frosh, Miller would be the antidote to a potential rebounding issue next year.

[Spencer Pratt]

I think we are in desperate need of a pure shooter.  I know that a lot of people on this board are talking about how we need a graduate transfer at PG, but I would take a wing that can hit at a 40% 3pt clip over a PG in a second.  Think about next years roster as it stands today.  Who can keep defenses honest by consistently knocking down outside shots?  Nobody.  Teams will be able to pack it in against our bigs and severely limit any height advantage we may have with HE, Steve and Luke if we don't have any shooters. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Triple teams, box and 1s and triangle and 2s where the 2 are both focused on Henry will do that to a person...

Yes, but he's also playing against a bunch of 6'1" to 6'4" slow guys from the sticks, too.  Kind of evens out.

[MU82]

I think we are in desperate need of a pure shooter.  I know that a lot of people on this board are talking about how we need a graduate transfer at PG, but I would take a wing that can hit at a 40% 3pt clip over a PG in a second.  Think about next years roster as it stands today.  Who can keep defenses honest by consistently knocking down outside shots?  Nobody.  Teams will be able to pack it in against our bigs and severely limit any height advantage we may have with HE, Steve and Luke if we don't have any shooters. 

I agree with this. We need at least one more -- and preferably two more -- kids who can hit 3s. With today's college game, a team can't afford to lose the "arc battle" by 15 or 21 or 27 points. Love Carlino or hate him, he'd look pretty good as a 3-point specialist on next year's team.

Henry might yet prove to be a pretty decent shooter from range. His junior year showed he could do it. If he's as great as everybody says, he will be determined to spend the offseason improving every facet of his game. I've never seen the kid play but I've heard him described as a "stretch 4," with some even comparing him to Dirk. He'd better be able to hit a few 3s if that's the case.

[onepost]

Brew, how is Miller off the dribble (if you have seen any clips of his game)?  His 3 point percentage each year has been 30%, 20%, and 27% this season, so he's not exactly a threat from outside.  I just don't see how you couldn't put him at the 4, and I think we need a SF type to play the wing more.
I would love to have him at the 3 with HE and Luke, but my fear is he is a true 4 and we already have that position locked down with Henry and Steve.

[brewcity77]

We have two scholarships, I'd love to see one used on a power forward and one used on a point that can shoot the three. Maybe Steve covers that rebounding role but I'm not convinced he can do that consistently. I want a 4 that will stay down low and go after rebounds hard.

My ideal point would be a JUCO that can hit 40% from the arc. That's why I was a big Dequon Miller fan. Not sure we go that route, but I think it would be the most prudent course.

[VegasWarrior77]

Totally agree.  If we can get a PG who can also shoot the three we will be in great shape.  We also need someone who can rebound/shoot.  Miller looks intriguing.

[Dawson Rental]

I think we are in desperate need of a pure shooter.  I know that a lot of people on this board are talking about how we need a graduate transfer at PG, but I would take a wing that can hit at a 40% 3pt clip over a PG in a second.  Think about next years roster as it stands today.  Who can keep defenses honest by consistently knocking down outside shots?  Nobody.  Teams will be able to pack it in against our bigs and severely limit any height advantage we may have with HE, Steve and Luke if we don't have any shooters. 

Nobody?  I disagree.  Duane, Sandy and maybe Carter.

[brewcity77]

2 guys leaving Pitt?

Yup, but neither played significant minutes. Guessing they'll be looking at a lower level.

[BCHoopster]

Nobody?  I disagree.  Duane, Sandy and maybe Carter.

Sandy, did you see him the last 10 games, can not make a shot as he can not get a shot.  Slow release, I see him getting very few minutes next year unless he realizes he is not good enough at this level so the next 6 months needs to work hard on his game.  First, needs to put 30 lbs on and then learn how to do a jump shot.  Duane inconsistent, Carter a freshman, not sure, yes
they need a shooter like Bronson K. or Hayes to make a few 3's.

[brewcity77]

Sandy, did you see him the last 10 games, can not make a shot as he can not get a shot.  Slow release, I see him getting very few minutes next year unless he realizes he is not good enough at this level so the next 6 months needs to work hard on his game.  First, needs to put 30 lbs on and then learn how to do a jump shot.  Duane inconsistent, Carter a freshman, not sure, yes they need a shooter like Bronson K. or Hayes to make a few 3's.

As Al always said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. Hayes didn't take a three all last season. I wouldn't write Sandy off just yet.

[GGGG]

Sandy, did you see him the last 10 games, can not make a shot as he can not get a shot.  Slow release, I see him getting very few minutes next year unless he realizes he is not good enough at this level so the next 6 months needs to work hard on his game.  First, needs to put 30 lbs on and then learn how to do a jump shot.  Duane inconsistent, Carter a freshman, not sure, yes
they need a shooter like Bronson K. or Hayes to make a few 3's.

Sandy did some good things.  Hit the wall.  Got frustrated.  Regressed toward the end.

Like a lot of players - especially those on poor teams like Marquette's was.  The key is the next step. 

[BCHoopster]

As Al always said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. Hayes didn't take a three all last season. I wouldn't write Sandy off just yet.

Not writing him off at all, but not a pure shooter, and might be great in 2-3 years but do not see it yet.  Still a lot to prove, playing at Seymour is totally different than playing in the Big East.
He found out the difference, so it is up to him to improve.  Ellenson playing in Rice Lake does not help him either, playing against teams that are double teaming him all the time that are small
does not get him ready.  It will take him sometime as well.  His upside is much bigger as he is physically ready to play at the next level.

[ecompt]

Sandy looked totally lost the last 10 games. Hope he works hard and doesn't get discouraged. But I could see him and JJJ looking elsewhere.

[GGGG]

Not writing him off at all, but not a pure shooter, and might be great in 2-3 years but do not see it yet.  Still a lot to prove, playing at Seymour is totally different than playing in the Big East.
He found out the difference, so it is up to him to improve.  Ellenson playing in Rice Lake does not help him either, playing against teams that are double teaming him all the time that are small
does not get him ready.  It will take him sometime as well.  His upside is much bigger as he is physically ready to play at the next level.

You do realize that Henry played on top AAU teams and traveled the world with USA basketball right?  His HS experience was probably least important when it came to developing him as a player.

[T-Bone]

I know Northwestern will be getting a transfer from Virginia Tech. The Buzz trend continues.

The guy that punched buzz.  Allegedly. 
“He demonstrated a lack of discipline and self-control at practice and as such this suspension was warranted.”

[BCHoopster]

You do realize that Henry played on top AAU teams and traveled the world with USA basketball right?  His HS experience was probably least important when it came to developing him as a player.

AAU helps his offensive game, they play no D, USA basketball did help.  But for 4 months this year he played against below average high school talent, he will not step in and be a 20 point scorer, but 15 is not out of the question.  I think 12 is more like it though.

[JakeBarnes]

AAU helps his offensive game, they play no D, USA basketball did help.  But for 4 months this year he played against below average high school talent, he will not step in and be a 20 point scorer, but 15 is not out of the question.  I think 12 is more like it though.

I had no idea HE was transferring.

[TT13]

Change to transfer rule. No more immediately eligible players.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2-%20March%2016%20Transfer%20Announcement.pdf

http://mgoblog.com/content/ncaa-end-transfer-waivers

Thoughts?

[brewcity77]

Change to transfer rule. No more immediately eligible players.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2-%20March%2016%20Transfer%20Announcement.pdf

http://mgoblog.com/content/ncaa-end-transfer-waivers

Thoughts?

Important note...no more UNDERGRADUATE immediately eligible players. So no transferring closer to home for a sick relative and getting a waiver.

Graduate players are unaffected by this.