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Re: Rafters
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2015, 05:22:09 PM »
Numbers should be retired for players only who were transformative for the program .  We have way too many retired numbers, and it just waters down the honor.

To me, this is all we should have retired -
3- Wade
15- Lee
24- Thompson
77- Al

Period.  I could maybe be persuaded that Dean the Dream's #14 belongs to.  Doc Rivers being retired is ridiculous, he was a good player at MU, nothing more.  

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2015, 05:25:43 PM »
Piggy backing to my last post, I'm fine with honoring many of the guys whos numbers are retired, with hanging their jersey replicas in the rafters, but their numbers can be worn by others at MU.  So Kojis #44, Ellis & Rivers #31, Lucas #20, Tatum #43, would all be up again in HutchwasClutch's perfect world. 

Again, on the fence about Meminger, I could probably be persuaded that he belongs on the MU Mt Rushmore w/ D-Wade, Brute Force, Butch, and Al.


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Re: Rafters
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2015, 05:26:09 PM »
I'm down with addin' #22, a 6'11" junior from Racine, and no one else.
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2015, 12:33:19 AM »
Don Kojis' jersey #44 is ABSOLUTELY retired.  Agree that the next worthy entrant is Chones.  Jerel would be somewhere in a potentially worthy group after that.

Pleased to say that apart from Kojis, I've seen everyone of those guys play in person.

Post amended...thanks for pointing it out!
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2015, 12:35:02 AM »
There's a logistical issue to retiring numbers, since the NCAA only allows you to wear 0-5 on either digit in the number.

Marquette already has nine numbers that are unavailable.

I thought it was done in "spirit" but the number was always available.
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2015, 06:04:19 AM »
Numbers should be retired for players only who were transformative for the program .  We have way too many retired numbers, and it just waters down the honor.

To me, this is all we should have retired -
3- Wade
15- Lee
24- Thompson
77- Al

Period.  I could maybe be persuaded that Dean the Dream's #14 belongs to.  Doc Rivers being retired is ridiculous, he was a good player at MU, nothing more.

For all intents and purposes, 77 is retired. As Andy mentioned, anything including a digit outside of 0-5 is unavailable per NCAA rules.

Of course, the problem is that in general, you don't want to "unretire" numbers. Doesn't look good to the players that earned the honor, even if you don't feel it was deserved. That's why I'd argue for retiring jerseys. One thing I really like about Wojo is that on the player lockers, they list everyone who had that number before you. I can see how that would be motivating for kids, especially when you see names you know -- Wesley Matthews on Jajuan's locker, DJO/James on Duane's locker, etc. Keeping the number going in some ways will actually help preserve the memory of the player for the members of the current team.

How many kids being recruited to Marquette these days know who Butch Lee or George Thompson were? But if they saw their name on their locker every day, they might be inclined to find out. Same goes for guys like Don Kojis, Earl Tatum, Dean Meminger, and some day, maybe even Dwyane Wade. Keep the number going and you keep the legacy going.

Retire jerseys, not numbers.
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2015, 08:08:18 AM »

One thing I really like about Wojo is that on the player lockers, they list everyone who had that number before you. I can see how that would be motivating for kids, especially when you see names you know -- Wesley Matthews on Jajuan's locker, DJO/James on Duane's locker, etc. Keeping the number going in some ways will actually help preserve the memory of the player for the members of the current team.

How many kids being recruited to Marquette these days know who Butch Lee or George Thompson were? But if they saw their name on their locker every day, they might be inclined to find out. Same goes for guys like Don Kojis, Earl Tatum, Dean Meminger, and some day, maybe even Dwyane Wade. Keep the number going and you keep the legacy going.


100% Agree, that little touch is one of the coolest things I have seen a sports team do. 

Beyond that, every team in America with some history or even those without (The Bucks) is realizing retiring numbers is dangerous.  We need to come up with a new way to honor recents "greats".  Retiring "jerseys" works for me.
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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2015, 08:09:51 AM »
Being high individual statistics has become way watered down and shouldn't be valued as highly since now players get 4 years instead of 3 and play more games before conference tournaments even start then others did when they won the tournament and played the max.

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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2015, 09:08:39 AM »
For all intents and purposes, 77 is retired. As Andy mentioned, anything including a digit outside of 0-5 is unavailable per NCAA rules.

Of course, the problem is that in general, you don't want to "unretire" numbers. Doesn't look good to the players that earned the honor, even if you don't feel it was deserved. That's why I'd argue for retiring jerseys. One thing I really like about Wojo is that on the player lockers, they list everyone who had that number before you. I can see how that would be motivating for kids, especially when you see names you know -- Wesley Matthews on Jajuan's locker, DJO/James on Duane's locker, etc. Keeping the number going in some ways will actually help preserve the memory of the player for the members of the current team.

How many kids being recruited to Marquette these days know who Butch Lee or George Thompson were? But if they saw their name on their locker every day, they might be inclined to find out. Same goes for guys like Don Kojis, Earl Tatum, Dean Meminger, and some day, maybe even Dwyane Wade. Keep the number going and you keep the legacy going.

Retire jerseys, not numbers.




Maybe that's why no one has worn #53 in a while. Hard to feel the vibe with former ballers like:
Greg Ripp
Bob Chmielewski
Dave Burton
Jim Chermak
Terry McQuaid
Rick Campbell

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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2015, 09:22:05 AM »
This is one of the best threads on Scoop in a long time.

From my perspective, retire Jerseys, not numbers...

I also think there is a small "lifetime achievement" element to this.  A stellar career at MU is the price of entry followed by good citizenship, and a combination of playing/coaching career after MU all taken into consideration. 

On this basis I believe Doc absolutely belongs.  Diener might... we'll know in 10-15 years.  As for the big 3, good cases can be made for Jerel and Matthews but neither is a lock.  As for the others listed above, I think a more conservative approach is in order.
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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2015, 09:44:02 AM »
For all intents and purposes, 77 is retired. As Andy mentioned, anything including a digit outside of 0-5 is unavailable per NCAA rules.

Of course, the problem is that in general, you don't want to "unretire" numbers. Doesn't look good to the players that earned the honor, even if you don't feel it was deserved. That's why I'd argue for retiring jerseys. One thing I really like about Wojo is that on the player lockers, they list everyone who had that number before you. I can see how that would be motivating for kids, especially when you see names you know -- Wesley Matthews on Jajuan's locker, DJO/James on Duane's locker, etc. Keeping the number going in some ways will actually help preserve the memory of the player for the members of the current team.

How many kids being recruited to Marquette these days know who Butch Lee or George Thompson were? But if they saw their name on their locker every day, they might be inclined to find out. Same goes for guys like Don Kojis, Earl Tatum, Dean Meminger, and some day, maybe even Dwyane Wade. Keep the number going and you keep the legacy going.

Retire jerseys, not numbers.
That is a great idea to have the prior names on the lockers.
And Brew, you are right that most kids would probably not  know about Butch or George, and even less would know Don Kojis. (Didn't he have a used car lot in Milwaukee in the 60's?) That could be remedied with a History course of MU basketball as part of basketball orientation. With attest afterward. All who pass get 2 credits toward their degree.
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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2015, 12:35:56 PM »
Anyone who has not missed a home game as a fan the past two seasons should have honorary number retired.

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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2015, 12:43:48 PM »
For all intents and purposes, 77 is retired. As Andy mentioned, anything including a digit outside of 0-5 is unavailable per NCAA rules.

Of course, the problem is that in general, you don't want to "unretire" numbers. Doesn't look good to the players that earned the honor, even if you don't feel it was deserved. That's why I'd argue for retiring jerseys. One thing I really like about Wojo is that on the player lockers, they list everyone who had that number before you. I can see how that would be motivating for kids, especially when you see names you know -- Wesley Matthews on Jajuan's locker, DJO/James on Duane's locker, etc. Keeping the number going in some ways will actually help preserve the memory of the player for the members of the current team.

How many kids being recruited to Marquette these days know who Butch Lee or George Thompson were? But if they saw their name on their locker every day, they might be inclined to find out. Same goes for guys like Don Kojis, Earl Tatum, Dean Meminger, and some day, maybe even Dwyane Wade. Keep the number going and you keep the legacy going.

Retire jerseys, not numbers.

I'm quickly warming to that jersey idea. I believe UNC has retired jerseys hanging from the rafters. Looks cool. If so, you could hang Kojis, Meminger, Thompson, Tatum, Lucas, Lee, Ellis, Rivers, Wade, Diener, McNeal, and Matthews.

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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2015, 12:46:08 PM »
We can hang them next to our 2012 Big East champs banner.
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