Author Topic: Wojo recruiting losses (Read 14897 times)

The Lens · « **on:** February 25, 2015, 02:24:10 PM »

With Sacar Anim in the fold, it seems (I am only a casual recruiting guy) that Wojo to this point has always gotten his man. Am I correct on this? Any big losses?

Traci Carter seems to be a good test for the Wojo batting average, unless I am missing someone.

GGGG · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2015, 02:29:07 PM »

Akoy Agau as a transfer.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2015, 02:39:56 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 25, 2015, 02:29:07 PM

Akoy Agau as a transfer.

I would treat transfers separately for this "evaluation".

naginiF · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2015, 02:45:10 PM »

Also not a recruiting guy, but just from reading Scoop (which does seem to have some recruiting guys) i'd say he's not missed yet.

countdown to someone trying to squeeze Burton and Dawson into this conversation in 3.......2........1......

rocky_warrior · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2015, 02:47:59 PM »

Quote from: The Lens on February 25, 2015, 02:24:10 PM

With Sacar Anim in the fold, it seems (I am only a casual recruiting guy) that Wojo to this point has always gotten his man. Am I correct on this? Any big losses?

If you start after the guys that de-committed after Buzz left...yes, he has a good track record. He was 1/5 on those guys though (if you count NN). And I don't know how many of those he *really* wanted...

brewcity77 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:15:44 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 25, 2015, 02:29:07 PM

Akoy Agau as a transfer.

Agreed. He took a visit here and there is a definite need and available PT. In general, Wojo has won once he's offered. It seems like he's been selective in his offers, which has helped his proverbial batting average. He also missed out on Jimmy Whitt, who committed to Arkansas before his scheduled visit to Marquette.

esotericmindguy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:21:57 PM »

Is it a loss if Wojo misses out on Carter? The guy took the job about 9 months ago, what he's accomplished in that time is incredible. Buzz did well early as well, but Wojo didn't have the year cushion to coach McNeal, Matthews, Hayward and James like buzz. If he loses out on Carter I'm not concerned, these other coaches have been recruiting him for years.

UticaBusBarn · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:27:25 PM »

I do not following recruiting per se, but I have the impression that Coach Wojo is very methodical and does a great deal of "due diligence" on would be Warrior recruits.

Of the relative few Coach Wojo concludes might "fit", he then seems to pull out all the stops and goes after the targeted guy with all the his/staff's collective energy.

For those of you who follow recruiting closely, is this (more, or less) correct? Or, is Coach Wojo like many other coaches who cast a very broad recruiting net?

JakeBarnes · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:40:59 PM »

Wojo has had a very methodical and close-to-the vest recruiting process so far. He seems to focus on fit and need and then quietly go hard after his guy. It always seems we don't hear about something until it is deep into the recruiting process. Color me impressed so far. I hope he continues to be so methodical in his approach. It will especially be fun to see what he can do with the 2016 class when he actually has a full year to recruit (and isn't still getting things sorted out for 2015).

brewcity77 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:06:21 PM »

Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 25, 2015, 03:21:57 PM

Is it a loss if Wojo misses out on Carter? The guy took the job about 9 months ago, what he's accomplished in that time is incredible. Buzz did well early as well, but Wojo didn't have the year cushion to coach McNeal, Matthews, Hayward and James like buzz. If he loses out on Carter I'm not concerned, these other coaches have been recruiting him for years.

It is a loss but there's nothing wrong with losing recruiting battles. Everyone loses recruiting battles and I'd argue most coaches lose more than they win. Honestly, a part of me wants Wojo to lose some of these to knock off the air of invincibility he seems to be building on the recruiting trail.

Pakuni · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:12:04 PM »

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2015, 04:06:21 PM

It is a loss but there's nothing wrong with losing recruiting battles. Everyone loses recruiting battles and I'd argue most coaches lose more than they win. Honestly, a part of me wants Wojo to lose some of these to knock off the air of invincibility he seems to be building on the recruiting trail.

I hope he wins every recruiting battle and solidifies an air of invincibility on the trail.

JakeBarnes · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:15:36 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on February 25, 2015, 04:12:04 PM

I hope he wins every recruiting battle and solidifies an air of invincibility on the trail.

Wojo to his recruiting opponents on the recruiting trail:

We R Final Four · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:18:27 PM »

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2015, 04:06:21 PM

It is a loss but there's nothing wrong with losing recruiting battles. Everyone loses recruiting battles and I'd argue most coaches lose more than they win. Honestly, a part of me wants Wojo to lose some of these to knock off the air of invincibility he seems to be building on the recruiting trail.

I want Wojo/MU in a future battle with blue bloods with a reputation of not losing a recruiting battle. The way to earn that reputation is to keep getting commitments from those you are recruiting.

Cooby Snacks · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:19:03 PM »

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 25, 2015, 02:47:59 PM

If you start after the guys that de-committed after Buzz left...yes, he has a good track record. He was 1/5 on those guys though (if you count NN). And I don't know how many of those he *really* wanted...

I think he went pretty hard after Shayok, which makes a lot of sense if you've seen him play this year. It was just too much ground for Wojo to make up in a short amount of time.

KenoshaWarrior · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:20:41 PM »

Quote from: The Lens on February 25, 2015, 02:24:10 PM

With Sacar Anim in the fold, it seems (I am only a casual recruiting guy) that Wojo to this point has always gotten his man. Am I correct on this? Any big losses?

Traci Carter seems to be a good test for the Wojo batting average, unless I am missing someone.

Noskowiak, Diamond Stone,

wadesworld · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:23:02 PM »

From day one we have heard that Wojo blew people away with his interview and in particular his plan and vision for the program. He continues to do so in every phase of running the program. He sells the vision to the kids and they are buying it, and should be. I can't wait to see where this program heads with Wojo's kids in it.

brewcity77 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:24:24 PM »

Quote from: We R Final Four on February 25, 2015, 04:18:27 PM

I want Wojo/MU in a future battle with blue bloods with a reputation of not losing a recruiting battle. The way to earn that reputation is to keep getting commitments from those you are recruiting.

Believe me, I love watching him get commitments the way he has. It really has felt like if Wojo goes all in on a recruit, there's better than even odds he'll get that recruit. Really hope it continues with Carter. But after Buzz putting out 30+ offers per year and landing 2-4 of those, this feels surreal. Just taking some getting used to

brewcity77 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:25:01 PM »

Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 25, 2015, 04:20:41 PM

Noskowiak, Diamond Stone,

LOL

Neither of those were recruiting losses.

Pakuni · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:25:11 PM »

Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 25, 2015, 04:20:41 PM

Noskowiak, Diamond Stone,

No and no.

JakeBarnes · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:51:15 PM »

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2015, 04:25:01 PM

LOL

Neither of those were recruiting losses.

THEIR losses, amirite?

Loose Cannon · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:16:54 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on February 25, 2015, 04:12:04 PM

I hope he wins every recruiting battle and solidifies an air of invincibility on the trail.

Plus Tax

Earl Tatum · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:29:10 PM »

Am Disappointed that we lossed Stone. He could have stepped right in as a starting center with his defense. The offense would
have come. Also Pritzl would have made a nice addition. One player that really hurt us was Kevon Looney. Think he will stick
around another year at UCLA. So maybe the cold and the campus being old hurt us. Also Midwest living. Think about it.

Most top recruits come from the East and most like the warm weather campuses. We have no warm weather. In Al's years
of coaching we had most of the top talent in New York and Chicago sewed up. Times have changed. To many good teams
where the top talent is. Al was a dynamic person and recruiter.

GGGG · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:31:19 PM »

I love Earl.

wadesworld · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:34:15 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 25, 2015, 05:31:19 PM

I love Earl.

I'm starting to think Earl is Diamond Stone. Would explain why he can't get a passing ACT score.

Dawson Rental · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:44:10 PM »

Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 25, 2015, 04:20:41 PM

Noskowiak, Diamond Stone,

Now that's an out of touch post.

We R Final Four · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2015, 06:34:02 PM »

Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2015, 04:23:02 PM

From day one we have heard that Wojo blew people away with his interview and in particular his plan and vision for the program. He continues to do so in every phase of running the program. He sells the vision to the kids and they are buying it, and should be. I can't wait to see where this program heads with Wojo's kids in it.

Well said---Wojo is playing with guys that he never would have gone after. Can't wait til he has all of his own guys.

bilsu · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2015, 06:55:15 PM »

Lost his first recruit. The transfer from California that left to go back west. So he has lost two recruits he actually signed.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:13:14 PM »

Quote from: Earl Tatum on February 25, 2015, 05:29:10 PM

Am Disappointed that we lossed Stone. He could have stepped right in as a starting center with his defense. The offense would
have come. Also Pritzl would have made a nice addition. One player that really hurt us was Kevon Looney. Think he will stick
around another year at UCLA. So maybe the cold and the campus being old hurt us. Also Midwest living. Think about it.

Most top recruits come from the East and most like the warm weather campuses. We have no warm weather. In Al's years
of coaching we had most of the top talent in New York and Chicago sewed up. Times have changed. To many good teams
where the top talent is. Al was a dynamic person and recruiter.

Negative on Looney. He gone after this season. Bet your ever lovin' last cent on it, Bro.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:18:00 PM »

If you get every player you're interested in enough to offer, you're not targeting enough guys.

"Loss" isn't an appropriate term in a lot of recruitments.

Blackhat · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2015, 07:33:30 PM »

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2015, 08:30:04 PM »

Depends on what you call a loss.

We were in on Bryant Crawford and he ended up a Demon Deacon

We were in on Jimmie Whitt and he ended up a Razorback

We were in on Levan Alston and he ended up an Owl

We were in on Dwayne Bacon and he ended up a Seminole

We were in on Brevin Pritzl and he ended up a Badger

We were in on Kerwin Roach and he ended up a Longhorn

We were in on Matt McQuaid and he ended up a Mustang and then decommitted and became a Spartan

We were in on Aaron Falzaon and he ended up a Wildcat

We were in on Josh Sharma and ended up in Cardinal

Now Wojo was late to the party on most of these guys and the level we were in on them is a matter for debate, but at what point do we become Badger fans saying "Oh he doesn't count, Wojo cooled on him"

brewcity77 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2015, 08:30:04 PM

Depends on what you call a loss.

We were in on Bryant Crawford and he ended up a Demon Deacon

We were in on Jimmie Whitt and he ended up a Razorback

We were in on Levan Alston and he ended up an Owl

We were in on Dwayne Bacon and he ended up a Seminole

We were in on Brevin Pritzl and he ended up a Badger

We were in on Kerwin Roach and he ended up a Longhorn

We were in on Matt McQuaid and he ended up a Mustang and then decommitted and became a Spartan

We were in on Aaron Falzaon and he ended up a Wildcat

We were in on Josh Sharma and ended up in Cardinal

Now Wojo was late to the party on most of these guys and the level we were in on them is a matter for debate, but at what point do we become Badger fans saying "Oh he doesn't count, Wojo cooled on him"

Did Wojo offer any of those other than Whitt? Honest question, because I do believe being selective with scholarship offers is part of his plan.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:28:13 PM »

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2015, 09:06:51 PM

Did Wojo offer any of those other than Whitt? Honest question, because I do believe being selective with scholarship offers is part of his plan.

247 reported offers to Crawford, Whitt, Alston, Pritzl, Falzon, and Sharma. Now what an "offer" actually is often misinterpreted.

willie warrior · « **Reply #33 on:** February 26, 2015, 06:36:06 AM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2015, 09:28:13 PM

247 reported offers to Crawford, Whitt, Alston, Pritzl, Falzon, and Sharma. Now what an "offer" actually is often misinterpreted.

Hmmmm........It is all in the spin. Wojo always gets his man!!

GOO · « **Reply #34 on:** February 26, 2015, 10:50:48 AM »

Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2015, 06:36:06 AM

Hmmmm........It is all in the spin. Wojo always gets his man!!

All of these were not Wojo offers. Going forward it will be more clear. I do like the selective approach to offering, however. It shows that the coach values the offer/scholarship a lot more as opposed to just throwing them out there and see who bites.

willie warrior · « **Reply #35 on:** February 26, 2015, 11:38:44 AM »

Quote from: We R Final Four on February 25, 2015, 06:34:02 PM

Well said---Wojo is playing with guys that he never would have gone after. Can't wait til he has all of his own guys.

Not quite correct. Fischer, Du. Wilson, and Cohen are guys he would go after, and they are playing. He did go after Cohen after he backed out. He also went after Carlino. So it is not accurate to say he is playing with guys he never would have gone after. At least 4 are.

jjfanec · « **Reply #36 on:** February 26, 2015, 06:51:31 PM »

Not trying to tell but how was Pritlz now considered a recruiting loss. Wojo offered and the Pritlz committed to UW. Marquette definitely offered Pritzl but was Wojo not the one to extend the offer?

Dawson Rental · « **Reply #37 on:** February 26, 2015, 07:28:48 PM »

Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2015, 06:55:15 PM

Lost his first recruit. The transfer from California that left to go back west. So he has lost two recruits he actually signed.

I think that the thread is about the initial recruiting battle. In the case of Levin, Wojo won out over some tough competition and got him on campus. He had Nick signed to a LOI and Nick even help recruit others to MU before the difference of opinion that led to a parting of the ways. So, no I don't think either situation counts as a recruiting loss. More like recruiting close calls.

Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist · « **Reply #38 on:** February 26, 2015, 09:05:24 PM »

Quote from: LittleWade on February 26, 2015, 07:28:48 PM

I think that the thread is about the initial recruiting battle. In the case of Levin, Wojo won out over some tough competition and got him on campus. He had Nick signed to a LOI and Nick even help recruit others to MU before the difference of opinion that led to a parting of the ways. So, no I don't think either situation counts as a recruiting loss. More like recruiting close calls.

There were issues with Levin not known until he got on campus... I'll leave it at that. Not the worst thing he moved on. Wojo got him, issues came up and he moved on. Wojo is learning

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