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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:55 AM »
This is all on that sonuvabitch Bert!


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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2015, 11:30:23 AM »
Hardly feel this year is a lost cause for several reasons. Wojo having a difficult first season might be far better than stepping into a S16 type situation in the long run. One or two of the young guys, JJJ, DuWil or Cohen, will come out of this season a much improved player. Luke is getting PT which he needs and he will benefit a great deal playing alongside HE next season.

This season I had ZERO expectations or hopes aside from watching Carlino. Everything expected on my front has been met. I have no idea if Wojo can coach a lick at this point, but my guess is he a crowd favorite with the BOT and admin. At this point I am a GREAT deal less frustrated about our situation than I was 12 months ago.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2015, 11:34:30 AM »
I figured MU was about a 14-15 win season, and would have put any record above 0.500 as exceeds expectations.

We're slightly underperforming, but A) there's a lot of season left and B) we're not that far off.
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2015, 11:35:12 AM »
...but 3 wins on a neutral court in NYC and we'd have an NCAA berth...
We're gonna need 4
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2015, 11:35:40 AM »
I have no idea if Wojo can coach a lick at this point, but my guess is he a crowd favorite with the BOT and admin.

He can really coach. Because of the personnel, he's had to vary greatly from what he wants to do on both ends of the court. But he's adjusted, and kept them competitive.

That said, he's got some room to improve in-game, but for the most part my concerns about his coaching ability are gone.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2015, 11:40:53 AM »
Gosh I hate losing. I really do!

But I think this season is a lost cause. The light I saw at the end of the tunnel against Georgetown either disappeared or was freight train against Seton Hall. I missed the game but it appears we did little right. I had a lot of enthusiasm for us after Georgetown but then I see the SH game description and realize that we're regressing. We can't win on the road to save our lives (where's USF when we need them?). The usual JJJ problems recurred and somehow we let SH shoot the lights out from three-land.

My worst fear at this point is that Wojo needs to "blow it all up." We have three seniors -- Carlino, Derrick and Juan. We've also lost Burton to a change of scenery and its debatable whether Jujuan be back. The verdict is out on Steve Taylor Jr., though I do hope he can find a way to live up to the talent he had coming in. Luke, Duane and Sandy are our future, but it may take a couple of years to get back to the winning ways that most of us want to be at.

We seem to need too much, too fast. If Wojo can take what's coming back, mesh it with what's coming in and get productivity next year, my lord he'd be the greatest coach we ever had (sorry Al). I hope he does this and is, but I just don't see cause for optimism right now.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2015, 12:01:14 PM »
I say I didn't have any expectations this year but was seriously bummed after the loss to Nebraska Omaha.  I am excited that we have been competitive, but bummed that we have not been able to pull off a victory in some of those games, like GTown.  I like the improvement in Duane and Sandy, but remain frustrated by the complete lack of growth in Juan and Steve and JJJ.  I am glad Derrick has improved, but, I don't want to get any closer to that thought.  I think we have to focus on the development of the players we have and our coaching staff and try to forget the wins and losses.  Realistically I have to cling to the upside, while remaining pi$$ed at Bert for what he left us with. 
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2015, 12:59:24 PM »
This is all on that sonuvabitch Bert!
+1 gazillion, as the phony hillbilly rides away into the sunset...no..scratch that...the crapstorm.
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2015, 01:02:23 PM »
Once Derrick Wilson gets hot from three, anything can happen.

We are WAY WAY WAY past weed on this one!

I think Derrick has been wonderful in 2014-2015 and the improvement is phenomenol. I really like Derrick and thought a lot of people were too hard on him. But making him Steve Novak.... uh, yeah and I just grew my hair back and got down to my weight when I was at MU!

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2015, 01:03:57 PM »
I love people like you when you're in a sportsbook in Vegas. 


That is why Vegas is not a place I frequent.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2015, 09:40:30 PM »
In my view, no season is a "lost cause" per se.  I'm sure it didn't meet some people's expectations, but is our staff learning and growing?  Are some players getting better, earning experience?  I would categorize it as a lost cause if there was regression across the board, but with such a young staff and many key young players, that isn't the case IMO.

Biggest danger I see is next year expectations will be higher than they should be.  Similar to Fischer expectations this year.  We will be very young next year.  It will be an up or down year, but with a lot of talent.  Probably good enough for a NCAA bid, but you never know.



Yes and how do they respond to wojo? do the players trust the system and respect the coach?  Have the players given up?  Does wojo know what he's doing?  Do incoming recruits feel confident that they made the right decision?  
My answers: good, yes, no, yes, I think so
All in all, I do not think this season is a lost cause at all, not by a long shot.  I think wojo has done a lot with not a lot.  I just hope we can keep wojo for more than 4-5 years.  Heaven forbid he coaches a game like McCarthy did in the Nfl championship game against Seattle. That would hurt but I don't think it's in his Dna
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2015, 10:24:22 PM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

I really love MU basketball and hope I am totally wrong on this assessment.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2015, 10:45:51 PM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

I really love MU basketball and hope I am totally wrong on this assessment.

What? How? Other than maybe Dawson, you have no evidence of this.

Also, if you'll note by our performance in the last 5-7 minutes the team did just the opposite of quit against Seton Hall.

Are you a relative of a current, or recently former, MU player? Or a coach of a current, or recently former, MU player?

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2015, 10:48:19 PM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

I really love MU basketball and hope I am totally wrong on this assessment.

Trust me, I really love MU basketball and you are definitely wrong on this assessment. 

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2015, 10:51:19 PM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

You have absolutely no evidence of this, outside of one flat performance.
 
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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2015, 10:57:06 PM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

I really love MU basketball and hope I am totally wrong on this assessment.

By most of the kids do you mean one? Because I have seen every player on this team improve as the season went on other than JjJ and Juan...and I think Juan was regression to the mean.

Quit during the Seton Hall game? They had an awful 5 minute stretch. They then fought like hell and got it back to single digits. A few 50/50 balls go their way and they get a couple of more calls and they might have won the game. I don't see how any of that is indicative of a team quitting on their coach. I think it's indicative of a good coaching adjustment by Willard and Gibbs getting white hot from three.

Doesn't have the players best interest at heart? I'm honestly curious where you draw that conclusion from.
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2015, 10:58:13 PM »
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2015, 10:59:12 PM »
My mantra for the season has been...Low expectations, high hopes.

This MU team has lived up to my expectations, and I still have hope they'll start playing well 40 minutes per game, instead of the 30 min we've all gotten used to.

This.

I expected very little from this year's team, and they've delivered. Actually, they have had a chance in more games than I had anticipated.

It's the first year of a new regime that was left with not much in the cupboard.

I'm still high on the future of MU hoops and would not draw a single conclusion, good or bad, from what happens this season.
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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2015, 11:48:18 PM »
As it stands now, we have 5 players returning. We have one bona fide blue chipper coming in, HE. Wally and the other freshman are complete unknowns. Based just on that, I do not see an NCAA bid next season. Now, I am sure more players will be added, but based on the current situation, tough year coming up again.

Disagree...next year the BEast is a complete unknown. Most teams are losing a ton and that alone gives us a pretty good chance to make a run in March. It's extremely early but the conference as a whole should weaken up a bit.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2015, 11:54:39 PM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

I really love MU basketball and hope I am totally wrong on this assessment.

So the rumor that you have connections to JjJ valid? Because every post seems to reinforce that rumor.

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Re: Lost Cause
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2015, 01:32:33 AM »
Gosh I hate losing. I really do!

But I think this season is a lost cause. The light I saw at the end of the tunnel against Georgetown either disappeared or was freight train against Seton Hall. I missed the game but it appears we did little right. I had a lot of enthusiasm for us after Georgetown but then I see the SH game description and realize that we're regressing. We can't win on the road to save our lives (where's USF when we need them?). The usual JJJ problems recurred and somehow we let SH shoot the lights out from three-land.

My worst fear at this point is that Wojo needs to "blow it all up." We have three seniors -- Carlino, Derrick and Juan. We've also lost Burton to a change of scenery and its debatable whether Jujuan be back. The verdict is out on Steve Taylor Jr., though I do hope he can find a way to live up to the talent he had coming in. Luke, Duane and Sandy are our future, but it may take a couple of years to get back to the winning ways that most of us want to be at.

We seem to need too much, too fast. If Wojo can take what's coming back, mesh it with what's coming in and get productivity next year, my lord he'd be the greatest coach we ever had (sorry Al). I hope he does this and is, but I just don't see cause for optimism right now.

Al  had a game plan called scrabbled eggs for a team of zero talent and from that he began to win. Next he could tell new recruits, given his weak team, that they would play as freshman. Al   won with a 6'3" center who was so blind he was not allowed to shoot beyond 2 feet. He then got a 6'6" center and we thought we were in heaven until he played big Bob Lanear at St. Bonnie. He eventually won a national title.  Was Al MU's best coach, yes! Wojo could replace him in time but we need 10 years to find out and it will take Wojo more than two seasons for us to win at a high level against talented teams.

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this is what happens when one tries to be hip to all the new and cool devices and use an ipad for this stuff.  besides the thing changing your words to chit that doesn't even resemble what you intend, my quote was lumped in to make it look like chico made the whole thing.  that could work out to be either brilliant(in the mind of some) or lame to others.  anyway, i just thought for full disclosure...i'm sure many of you picked up on that, but anyway...
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2015, 06:56:07 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2015, 07:02:11 AM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game.

Duke's kids quit on Coach K in the ND game, too, so it must be a whole "Coach K Tree" thing.

I've got as much proof of the Dookies quitting as you do of the Warriors quitting.

It must be depressing to be so cynical and negative. I hope you seek professional help, and also hope you find a team to root for that can satisfy you.
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2015, 07:37:18 AM »
My take on the season is that the Coach has not been able to reach through to most of the team. A couple of kids yes but the majority no. Most of them don't believe in him and we saw them quit on him in the Seton Hall game. Wojo has proven he can recruit and talk the talk for sure. He needs to demonstrate that he has the players best interest at heart.  In my book when a coach can achieve that he has a much better chance of having kids make shared sacrifice for the betterment of the whole.

I really love MU basketball and hope I am totally wrong on this assessment.
Your "take" is steaming hot pile of ****.

Nobody quit in the Seton Hall game.  A BEPOY candidate caught fire and, combined with about 5 minutes of very poor defense, that was the ball game.  Team played hard and had multiple opportunities to get back into it but several open shots rimmed out and the breaks didn't go our way (I cannot believe I haven't seen that incredible "intentional" foul mentioned on here). 

Just stop the nonsense.