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Author Topic: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal  (Read 22172 times)

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2014, 12:56:05 PM »
Yeah, for some poor mid-major. You think mighty UNC hoops will be brought to its knees? Nah.

I'll believe it when I see it.


Yeah, and Cleveland State will receives the Death penalty.
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2014, 02:42:03 PM »

Why?  What is so interesting about it?

I attended a number of NACMA, NAADA, etc meetings over the years where college AD's, college sports marketers congregate at their annual convention.  It is also interesting to get the perspective's of other schools, especially the bigger ones, around the academic side of the house.  At MU, we didn't have P.E. or Sports Management or Ag school.  Some of the conversations were around what their schools were doing to entice potential students to come play for them.  Adding African American studies was one of the more hot topic majors to include that would have a double effect of coming across as diverse and also attracting students.  Those are good reasons to do those things.  THe more candid conversation typically came later have a few hit the happy sauce, and the reasons for adding those programs weren't quite so charming and holistic, in my opinion.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2014, 05:00:20 PM »
I attended a number of NACMA, NAADA, etc meetings over the years where college AD's, college sports marketers congregate at their annual convention.  It is also interesting to get the perspective's of other schools, especially the bigger ones, around the academic side of the house.  At MU, we didn't have P.E. or Sports Management or Ag school.  Some of the conversations were around what their schools were doing to entice potential students to come play for them.  Adding African American studies was one of the more hot topic majors to include that would have a double effect of coming across as diverse and also attracting students.  Those are good reasons to do those things.  THe more candid conversation typically came later have a few hit the happy sauce, and the reasons for adding those programs weren't quite so charming and holistic, in my opinion.


Ah OK...thanks for the explanation.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2014, 03:00:34 AM »

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2014, 08:29:27 AM »
Interesting that UNC is a member of AAU - that supposed indicator of a high-quality institution that's required for admission to the Big Tewlethirfourteen.  If AAU membership really means anything, it seems UNC ought to be suspended or booted if the allegations prove true.  I know AAU is mostly focused on research and graduate education, but the criteria also include the following:

The Committee assesses the institution’s undergraduate programs to determine that the institution is meeting its commitment to undergraduate education. :-\

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2014, 07:46:12 PM »
Interesting that UNC is a member of AAU - that supposed indicator of a high-quality institution that's required for admission to the Big Tewlethirfourteen.  If AAU membership really means anything, it seems UNC ought to be suspended or booted if the allegations prove true.  I know AAU is mostly focused on research and graduate education, but the criteria also include the following:

The Committee assesses the institution’s undergraduate programs to determine that the institution is meeting its commitment to undergraduate education. :-\

Maybe the happens.  Michigan, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, etc are all AAU institutions and all have had special programs to admit athletes for years.  By special programs I mean majors that are are predominantly filled with athletes knowing it's an easier ride through to stay eligible.  Does it take away from what 99.9% of the rest of the students are doing, or the researchers, etc?  Probably not, but you could make a strong argument that the AAU is certainly not pleased.  They just don't look at things at that level as you correctly point out. 

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2014, 09:31:34 AM »

I supposed their accreditation could be at risk.  But I doubt that will happen.  Very likely they will get a harsh talking to from the Higher Learning Commission and they'll have to write up a bunch of reports saying it won't happen again.


This is what I was talking about...

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2014-10-30/ncaa-unc-academic-scandal-accreditation-roy-williams-tar-heels-fake-classes-sacs?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Re: Paper classes?
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2014, 03:43:49 PM »
Uh oh, maybe Tokoto transfers back home!!!!

I thought about that. Was he even affected by this at all?

The report viewed the years over an 18-year period from 1993 to 2011. So, he wasn't directly a recipient of said assistance.

BUT with all the negative blowback, he may just transfer.

The program will be "dead" during his remaining years.
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2014, 04:01:26 PM »
JPT got 28 mpg last year.  He's not going anywhere.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2014, 01:32:09 AM »
JPT got 28 mpg last year.  He's not going anywhere.

Yeah. That can all change when sanctions are announced and he can never play in the postseason again.
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2014, 07:35:28 PM »
If any of this is true, wow.  Just wow.

http://deadspin.com/former-unc-player-details-academic-fraud-says-everybo-1657041495


Former Tar Heels football player Tydreke Powell called into North Carolina radio station WJMH this morning and provided some interesting details about the academic misconduct that allegedly involved hundreds of UNC athletes.


Powell quoted former football coach Butch Davis as telling players, "If you all came here for an education, you should have gone to Harvard," while explaining that players were directed to take classes in the now-notorious AFAM department.

Powell says he took a paper class, and that "everybody knew" the nature of them. He also told the WJMH hosts that players were instructed to fail learning disability assessment tests so as to ensure players would be provided assistance during tests and for note-taking.

When asked about UNC basketball coach Roy Williams, Powell called Williams a "snake," and said students sought out classes in which basketball players were enrolled because that was a sure sign there'd be no actual work involved.

Finally, Powell threw in an anecdote about how a female student did all the work for one athlete, after which "we all ran a train on her."
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2014, 05:12:03 PM »
It's true in that Powell called the radio station and said those things.

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If the school was named, say Memphis, they would be stripped of accreditation and thrown out of the conference.

Instead the school is named UNC.  This means instead of looking at how to punish them, everyone is trying to figure out how to cover this up without ruining their reputations. 

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2014, 12:22:08 AM »
It's true in that Powell called the radio station and said those things.

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If the school was named, say Memphis, they would be stripped of accreditation and thrown out of the conference.

Instead the school is named UNC.  This means instead of looking at how to punish them, everyone is trying to figure out how to cover this up without ruining their reputations. 

One of the establishments of the highly celebrated Research Triangle and the flagship of NC's state universities, I can expect heads to roll but possible light sentencing on behalf of the NCAA.
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2015, 11:15:30 PM »
Roy Williams said “it would help if the NCAA would just tell us what the allegations are."


That's the funniest part of this whole thing.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2015, 11:22:20 PM »
Roy Williams said “it would help if the NCAA would just tell us what the allegations are."


That's the funniest part of this whole thing.

Ol' Roy whining about being the most investigated program in NCAA history and how it hurts recruiting is despicable.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2015, 11:24:06 PM »
Ol' Roy whining about being the most investigated program in NCAA history and how it hurts recruiting is despicable.

I was literally going to post just that until I got the warning that a new reply had been posted. Good stuff!!

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2015, 11:30:25 PM »
Roy Williams said “it would help if the NCAA would just tell us what the allegations are."


That's the funniest part of this whole thing.

+1

Get ready Roy, you are about to be told.

Thinking down the road ... typically when a school is sanctioned, they allow transfers without sitting out.  What happens to UNC sports if this scandal means every single sport is sanctioned and athletes in every sport is allowed to transfer without sitting?

Not everyone can transfer because other schools are out of scholarships.  But the best in every sport might transfer so they can compete in NCAA championships next year.  Does this mean that all UNC sports dive to among the worst in the ACC?

If this is case, this could be devastating.  A lot of these sports will not recover.  A lot of highly thought of coaches will leave.  

Again I'm not saying UNC disappears or drop sports or anything this drastic.  Instead I think they might go from a school that has teams that are competing for ACC and national championships to school that is consistently 4th to 9th in the ACC.  And after a few years like this, and enough high profile coaches turning over, soon we forget they were among the best sports programs in the ACC.  They become North Carolina State ... just another ACC sports program that is just there without passion or excellence.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2015, 12:17:54 AM »
+1

Get ready Roy, you are about to be told.

Thinking down the road ... typically when a school is sanctioned, they allow transfers without sitting out.  What happens to UNC sports if this scandal means every single sport is sanctioned and athletes in every sport is allowed to transfer without sitting?

Not everyone can transfer because other schools are out of scholarships.  But the best in every sport might transfer so they can compete in NCAA championships next year.  Does this mean that all UNC sports dive to among the worst in the ACC?

If this is case, this could be devastating.  A lot of these sports will not recover.  A lot of highly thought of coaches will leave.  

Again I'm not saying UNC disappears or drop sports or anything this drastic.  Instead I think they might go from a school that has teams that are competing for ACC and national championships to school that is consistently 4th to 9th in the ACC.  And after a few years like this, and enough high profile coaches turning over, soon we forget they were among the best sports programs in the ACC.  They become North Carolina State ... just another ACC sports program that is just there without passion or excellence.

COME HOME to MU, TOKOTO!

I guess he saw the writing on the wall...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/unc-s-jp-tokoto-to-declare-for-the-2015-nba-draft-130246490-nba.html
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2015, 05:21:22 AM »
COME HOME to MU, TOKOTO!

I guess he saw the writing on the wall...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/unc-s-jp-tokoto-to-declare-for-the-2015-nba-draft-130246490-nba.html



shoot, given the rigorous academic demands unc placed on it's "student athletes" during their years there, jp might have his work cut out for him and studying an nba handbook may present some real challenges-maybe he'll drop out of nba to go back to unc to play ball-might be a little easier
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2015, 05:25:41 PM »
Well, according to Jeff Goodman, "NCAA's notice to UNC seems to have spared Williams"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13013267/north-carolina-tar-heels-notice-allegations-ncaa-looks-favorable-coach-roy-williams

Seriously. How the unnatural carnal knowledge will he get away unscathed in this?

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2015, 05:50:12 PM »
Well, according to Jeff Goodman, "NCAA's notice to UNC seems to have spared Williams"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13013267/north-carolina-tar-heels-notice-allegations-ncaa-looks-favorable-coach-roy-williams

Seriously. How the unnatural carnal knowledge will he get away unscathed in this?

Don't worry, I'm sure UNC-Asheville will suffer any penalties not levied on Roy. Maybe that's why Rowsey got out when he did, avoiding the transitive state school penalty law that usually spills to smaller state schools.
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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2015, 05:52:34 PM »
Well, according to Jeff Goodman, "NCAA's notice to UNC seems to have spared Williams"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13013267/north-carolina-tar-heels-notice-allegations-ncaa-looks-favorable-coach-roy-williams

Seriously. How the unnatural carnal knowledge will he get away unscathed in this?

If they tug on the thread hard enough, they'll get to John Swofford (the current ACC commissioner and former UNC AD that was a part of the lack of oversight at UNC).  I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't want names mentioned in the report to protect not just themselves but each other too.

Penn State had all of its wins, championships and scholarships restored (despite them being taken away due to the Jerry Sandusky scandal).  Miami had nothing taken away - despite it being proven Nevin Shapiro had funneled money to current and former players during their glory years.  UNC will avoid any major penalties as well, IMO.  

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2015, 06:52:36 PM »
Well, according to Jeff Goodman, "NCAA's notice to UNC seems to have spared Williams"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13013267/north-carolina-tar-heels-notice-allegations-ncaa-looks-favorable-coach-roy-williams

Seriously. How the unnatural carnal knowledge will he get away unscathed in this?

If you watch the video it Goodman guesses Williams is OK because he is named only once in the 59 page report.  He does not have a source that says this is the case.

Regarding this case, Goodman notes this time line ....

North Carolina has 90 days to submit its response to the Notice of Allegations (which was received in May 20). The NCAA's enforcement staff then has 60 days to send its own response, which is followed by a hearing before the Committee of Infractions (COI) that will likely occur sometime in the fall. The COI will then release its final report, which includes the penalties, six to eight weeks after the hearing.

So we won't know for sure until the end of the year.  In the meantime ...

Multiple sources told ESPN that North Carolina's recent struggles on the recruiting trail are largely because of the uncertainty on whether the program will receive a postseason ban. The Tar Heels wound up signing two fringe top-100 players in the Class of 2015. And one, Kenny Williams, was a former VCU signee who re-opened his recruitment after Shaka Smart left for Texas.

The pending NCAA investigation it making it difficult for North Carolina to remain among the elite teams in the country. Cunningham said he hoped to learn the sanctions from the NCAA by the end of the calendar year. The NCAA's has proved to be unpredictable in providing an exact timeline.

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Re: 3100 Students, 1500 ATHLETES Implicated In The UNC Cheating Scandal
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2015, 07:18:11 PM »
If you watch the video it Goodman guesses Williams is OK because he is named only once in the 59 page report.  He does not have a source that says this is the case.

Regarding this case, Goodman notes this time line ....

North Carolina has 90 days to submit its response to the Notice of Allegations (which was received in May 20). The NCAA's enforcement staff then has 60 days to send its own response, which is followed by a hearing before the Committee of Infractions (COI) that will likely occur sometime in the fall. The COI will then release its final report, which includes the penalties, six to eight weeks after the hearing.

So we won't know for sure until the end of the year.  In the meantime ...

Multiple sources told ESPN that North Carolina's recent struggles on the recruiting trail are largely because of the uncertainty on whether the program will receive a postseason ban. The Tar Heels wound up signing two fringe top-100 players in the Class of 2015. And one, Kenny Williams, was a former VCU signee who re-opened his recruitment after Shaka Smart left for Texas.

The pending NCAA investigation it making it difficult for North Carolina to remain among the elite teams in the country. Cunningham said he hoped to learn the sanctions from the NCAA by the end of the calendar year. The NCAA's has proved to be unpredictable in providing an exact timeline.


1. "guesses" vs. "seems".... kinda the same thing, no?

2. Are you really trying to correct someone on a post when you believe said post to be incorrect in its description of an event? You're the king of that. Maybe I'm just trying to generate views with my post. Is that wrong? Pot meet kettle.

 

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