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Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« on: September 18, 2014, 03:48:18 AM »
So I've been hearing a lot from both scoopers and recruiting experts that Marquette would be a top 5 class if they secured Henry. I decided to see if that would be true.

Using 247's class calculator, I found that securing Henry would bump our recruiting class to number 3, behind only Arizona and Louisville. Pretty sweet. However, that would only be with the current landscape of 2015 recruiting. A lot of the big fish don't commit until the spring. Where would we land after all the other programs got there own big recruits?

Utilizing 247's class calculator and crystal ball predictions, I found what our class rank would be should all of the crystal ball predictions as they are now end up being correct. Obviously, there are some major holes in this experiment, the main one being that all the current crystal ball predictions will not come true. This is just for fun.

The short answer is no. But it is still a damn good class. It comes in at 8th, good for top in the BEast. Below is all the data I gathered, BEast schools are bolded.

1. Kentucky 52.37
2. LSU 51.77
3. Arizona 51.69
4. UConn 51.42
5. Duke 51.39
6. Memphis 50.63
7. Louisville 50.19
8. Marquette 50.00
9. Michigan State 49.95
10. Florida State 49.91
11. Syracuse 49.41
12. Missouri 49.28
13. Ohio State 49.11
14. Illinois 48.95
15. Washington 48.42
16. Auburn 48.40
17. Texas A&M 48.29
18. Florida 48.10
19. Georgetown 47.55
20. Kansas 47.31
21. UNLV 46.91
22. Oregon State 46.74
23. Villanova 45.48
24. UCLA 45.38
25. Texas 44.77
26. Creighton 44.41
27. Oklahoma State 44.33
28. Nebraska 43.28
29. Wisconsin 42.59
30. Baylor 42.25
31. Penn State 41.69
32. Oregon 41.31
33. California 40.96
34. West Virginia 40.68
35. Georgia 40.58
36. SMU 40.54
37. Stanford 40.10
38. Maryland 39.91
39. San Diego State 38.98
40. Minnesota 38.75
41. Mississippi State 38.26
42. Clemson 37.84
43. Virginia Tech 37.58
44. Temple 37.52
45. Boston College 37.46
46. Arizona State 36.86
47. Xavier 36.59
48. Notre Dame 36.06
49. Purdue 35.39
50. Vanderbilt 34.83
51. Providence 34.44
52. Ole Miss 33.12
53. Houston 32.65
54. Rutgers 32.18
55. Depaul 30.76
56. Alabama 30.40
57. Cincinnati 30.14
58. St. John's 29.61
59. New Mexico 29.38
60. St. Joe's 29.28
61. Butler 29.20
61. Iowa 29.20
63. Kansas State 29.15
64. North Carolina 28.94
65. Miami (FL) 28.24
66. Utah 28.13
67. Arkansas 27.79
68. UMass 27.54
69. Pittsburgh 26.82
70. Northwestern 26.54
71. Gonzaga 25.69
72. Wyoming 25.35
73. VCU 24.71
74. Indiana 24.70
75. UC Irvine 24.62
76. Georgia Tech 24.09
77. Oklahoma 24.00
78. Tulane 23.73
79. Colorado State 23.69
80. Tennessee 23.40
81. Seton Hall 22.83
82. Drake 22.44
83. Rice 22.01
84. Central Michigan 21.97
85. Princeton 21.85
86. Northern Illinois 20.85
87. Fresno State 20.40
88. Virginia 20.15
89. Cleveland State 20.10
90. ECU 19.79
91. St. Mary's 19.61
92. Western Illinois 18.42
93. Middle Tennessee State: 17.91
94. South Florida 17.74
95. Wichita State 17.66
96. TCU: 17.25
96. UCF 17.25
98. Utah State 16.56
99. Rhode Island 16.40
100. Wake Forest 16.24
101. Western Kentucky 15.29
102. Saint Louis 15.21
103. Iowa State 15.16
104. Toledo 14.68
105. Boise State 14.38
106. North Florida 14.17
107. Gardner-Webb 13.52
108. Samford 13.18
109. Indiana State 13.04
110. Illinois State 11.13
111. Navy 10.63
112. San Jose State 10.59
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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 07:24:46 AM »
Interesting post TAMU. Thanks for putting in the time. Like you, I'll take the #8 class anytime. But what I really like more than any one great class, is having a good talent level in consecutive classes. What has me most excited is the fact that we have guy's like Burton, JJJ, W Ellemson, and Fischer in one class, with Du Wilson, Cohen, and Levin in another. Followed by this already great class of 2015. We may start out a little slow this year but, great things most certainly are coming.

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2014, 08:09:48 AM »
I like the strength of the BEast if this turns out to be true.  4 (40% of our league) in the Top 26.  By comparison, the Big 10 has 4 in the Top 29.

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2014, 08:31:52 AM »
That was a lot of work. Thanks.

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2014, 09:12:30 AM »
Thanks TAMU - I would be thrilled with these results. Thanks for working this up b

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 09:17:49 AM »
This is great for two reasons.  1.) Marquette under Wojo seems to have actually gained momentum with recruiting and 2.) the Big East is looking competitive top-to-bottom with recruiting.  40% of our league in the top 26 is great (very close to top 25), and all 10 teams place in the top 81 (very close to being top 75). 

As much as I want Marquette to get the best recruits, I can't help but root for our other Big East brothers getting the talent as well.  If the new league is going to succeed, it will take all the schools getting results on the court.  Step up your game, DePaul!!!!

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2014, 09:20:16 AM »
8. Marquette 50.00
43. Virginia Tech 37.58
74. Indiana 24.70

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2014, 09:30:06 AM »
Cannot ever complain about a #8 class. 

I will add this, I do not know how the 247 metrics work, but many of these measuring sticks have a huge weighting factor to size of class.  I recall about 20 years a go a mid major in one of these types of rankings had the #1 class in the country becuase they had 8? signees, despite the fact that they were 2 and 3 star players.  A good class nonethelss for that type of program but #1??!!.

What I like to do for myself is to simply add the stars and divided by the number of players to get a more true representation of the qulaity of the class.  given many of these metrics a class of 7 2 stars or 14 points is better than a class of 3 4 star players = 12.  i whole haertedly disagree.

So forwhatever its worth, if and I still beleive recruiting to be very fluid and a player is not on campus until he is on campus, but should Henry Ellenson chose to matriculate at Marquette University my own method is.... 3 4 stars equals 12 points add 1 5 star to be 17, divided by 4 and the result is 4.25.  A more true representation of the quality of the class regardless of size.  not sure how that stacks up against the other but I will take a 4.25 every day of the week!!

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2014, 09:32:47 AM »
This is great for two reasons.  1.) Marquette under Wojo seems to have actually gained momentum with recruiting and 2.) the Big East is looking competitive top-to-bottom with recruiting.  40% of our league in the top 26 is great (very close to top 25), and all 10 teams place in the top 81 (very close to being top 75). 

As much as I want Marquette to get the best recruits, I can't help but root for our other Big East brothers getting the talent as well.  If the new league is going to succeed, it will take all the schools getting results on the court.  Step up your game, DePaul!!!!

Not sure if MU upped its game in recruiting, I think the State of Wisconsin upped its game in High School.  Probably best year ever in Wisconsin and it makes a difference.  Kevin O'Neal came
in and got Logterman, Key and McIlvaine.  Crean got Novak and Diener early, Buzz did not.  It just so happened that the state when a new coach came in, the state was having an up year.
The newness of a new coach, excitement, is there right away and Wojo has done that.  Lets see how Wojo does out of state in the future.  As a class like this upcoming year is the best
ever. Getting possibly 3 or the 4 is very impressive.  Not sure if Buzz would have gotten 1 of them.   Buzz liked to recruit kids with one family member, so he became there psuedo  father
type.  He was more comfortable doing that.

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2014, 09:52:12 AM »
Cannot ever complain about a #8 class. 

I will add this, I do not know how the 247 metrics work, but many of these measuring sticks have a huge weighting factor to size of class.  I recall about 20 years a go a mid major in one of these types of rankings had the #1 class in the country becuase they had 8? signees, despite the fact that they were 2 and 3 star players.  A good class nonethelss for that type of program but #1??!!.

What I like to do for myself is to simply add the stars and divided by the number of players to get a more true representation of the qulaity of the class.  given many of these metrics a class of 7 2 stars or 14 points is better than a class of 3 4 star players = 12.  i whole haertedly disagree.

So forwhatever its worth, if and I still beleive recruiting to be very fluid and a player is not on campus until he is on campus, but should Henry Ellenson chose to matriculate at Marquette University my own method is.... 3 4 stars equals 12 points add 1 5 star to be 17, divided by 4 and the result is 4.25.  A more true representation of the quality of the class regardless of size.  not sure how that stacks up against the other but I will take a 4.25 every day of the week!!

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2014, 10:04:34 AM »
How is Xavier in there with 0 2015 commits?

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2014, 10:13:50 AM »
8. Marquette 50.00
43. Virginia Tech 37.58
74. Indiana 24.70

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Definitely worth smiling about! Hope the actual gap is wider.

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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2014, 10:25:10 AM »
Not sure if MU upped its game in recruiting, I think the State of Wisconsin upped its game in High School.  Probably best year ever in Wisconsin and it makes a difference.  Kevin O'Neal came
in and got Logterman, Key and McIlvaine.  Crean got Novak and Diener early, Buzz did not.  It just so happened that the state when a new coach came in, the state was having an up year.
The newness of a new coach, excitement, is there right away and Wojo has done that.  Lets see how Wojo does out of state in the future.  As a class like this upcoming year is the best
ever. Getting possibly 3 or the 4 is very impressive.  Not sure if Buzz would have gotten 1 of them.   Buzz liked to recruit kids with one family member, so he became there psuedo  father
type.  He was more comfortable doing that.

Not exactly sure on that...I liked Buzz and think he did a great job, not gonna call him bert, or whatever jilted lover names are being used, but its not like he didnt have a good number of very talented players to recruit from Wisconsin, not only did he sign some of them but he also missed on many of them too.  Looney, tokoto, Dekker just to name 3 mcdonalds all americans from the last 3-4 years

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2014, 10:39:53 AM »
Not exactly sure on that...I liked Buzz and think he did a great job, not gonna call him bert, or whatever jilted lover names are being used, but its not like he didnt have a good number of very talented players to recruit from Wisconsin, not only did he sign some of them but he also missed on many of them too.  Looney, tokoto, Dekker just to name 3 mcdonalds all americans from the last 3-4 years

I think Buzz saw the hand writing on the wall, he was not going to get Stone or Ellenson.  I am not saying he should get every recruit in the area but losing the kids above and the ones going
forward probably was a major reason he left.  Wojo brings a new enthusiasm a new excitement.  Plus I really think his assistants are really young and were players, known players.  Carrawell,
Nelson great hires, add to your staff Diener, Gainey and Thornton really are positives.  Must be great to have top notch ex-players as your assistants.  I also agree for the all the wrong Buzz did behind the scenes, he had a great run on the court, and fun for the fans.  Hope Wojo can keep it up.

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Not exactly sure on that...I liked Buzz and think he did a great job, not gonna call him bert, or whatever jilted lover names are being used, but its not like he didnt have a good number of very talented players to recruit from Wisconsin, not only did he sign some of them but he also missed on many of them too.  Looney, tokoto, Dekker just to name 3 mcdonalds all americans from the last 3-4 years

Tokoto and Dekker weren't McD's AA.

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2014, 10:57:29 AM »
Not sure if MU upped its game in recruiting, I think the State of Wisconsin upped its game in High School.  Probably best year ever in Wisconsin and it makes a difference.  Kevin O'Neal came
in and got Logterman, Key and McIlvaine.  Crean got Novak and Diener early, Buzz did not.  It just so happened that the state when a new coach came in, the state was having an up year.
The newness of a new coach, excitement, is there right away and Wojo has done that.  Lets see how Wojo does out of state in the future.  As a class like this upcoming year is the best
ever. Getting possibly 3 or the 4 is very impressive.  Not sure if Buzz would have gotten 1 of them.   Buzz liked to recruit kids with one family member, so he became there psuedo  father
type.  He was more comfortable doing that.
Yeah, Buzz only landed Blue, Jeronne, Duane, Deonte, Sandy, NN from Wisconsin.
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Re: Are we on the verge of a top 5 class?
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2014, 11:08:30 AM »

How is Xavier in there with 0 2015 commits?

Utilizing 247's class calculator and crystal ball predictions, I found what our class rank would be should all of the crystal ball predictions as they are now end up being correct. Obviously, there are some major holes in this experiment, the main one being that all the current crystal ball predictions will not come true.

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2014, 11:20:56 AM »
Tokoto and Dekker weren't McD's AA.

You are right…Dekker got snubbed for the game. Here is an interesting article on UW recruiting targets from a few years ago…..amazing that they whiffed on just about everybody they targeted in 2013 and 2014. http://host.madison.com/sports/college/basketball/men/uw-men-s-basketball-dekker-s-omission-from-mcdonald-s/article_0e19a4d2-55fb-11e1-8da5-001871e3ce6c.html

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2014, 11:30:14 AM »
8. Marquette 50.00
43. Virginia Tech 37.58
74. Indiana 24.70

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TC has the Hoosiers in the top 75 in only 7 years? Fans in Bloomington must be ecstatic!

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2014, 12:06:42 PM »
Not sure if MU upped its game in recruiting, I think the State of Wisconsin upped its game in High School.  Probably best year ever in Wisconsin and it makes a difference.  Kevin O'Neal came
in and got Logterman, Key and McIlvaine.  Crean got Novak and Diener early, Buzz did not.  It just so happened that the state when a new coach came in, the state was having an up year.
The newness of a new coach, excitement, is there right away and Wojo has done that.  Lets see how Wojo does out of state in the future.  As a class like this upcoming year is the best
ever. Getting possibly 3 of the 4 is very impressive.  Not sure if Buzz would have gotten 1 of them.   Buzz liked to recruit kids with one family member, so he became there psuedo  father
type.  He was more comfortable doing that.

Regarding this year's class, Marquette is possibly getting 3 of the top five, as 247's composite rankings indicate that Brevin Pritzl is ranked fourth in the state of Wisconsin just ahead of Matt Heldt who is ranked fifth.  Regarding whether Buzz would have gotten any of the group of Stone, Ellenson, Noskowiak, Pritzl and Heldt, Noskowiak had already committed to Marquette before Buzz left.
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2014, 12:11:55 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2014, 12:15:20 PM »
I like the strength of the BEast if this turns out to be true.  4 (40% of our league) in the Top 26.  By comparison, the Big 10 has 4 5 in the Top 29.

FIFY, don't be forgetting that Nebraska has joined the Big Ten fold.
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2014, 12:29:10 PM »
Cannot ever complain about a #8 class. 

I will add this, I do not know how the 247 metrics work, but many of these measuring sticks have a huge weighting factor to size of class.  I recall about 20 years a go a mid major in one of these types of rankings had the #1 class in the country becuase they had 8? signees, despite the fact that they were 2 and 3 star players.  A good class nonethelss for that type of program but #1??!!.

What I like to do for myself is to simply add the stars and divided by the number of players to get a more true representation of the qulaity of the class.  given many of these metrics a class of 7 2 stars or 14 points is better than a class of 3 4 star players = 12.  i whole haertedly disagree.

So forwhatever its worth, if and I still beleive recruiting to be very fluid and a player is not on campus until he is on campus, but should Henry Ellenson chose to matriculate at Marquette University my own method is.... 3 4 stars equals 12 points add 1 5 star to be 17, divided by 4 and the result is 4.25.  A more true representation of the quality of the class regardless of size.  not sure how that stacks up against the other but I will take a 4.25 every day of the week!!

You would get a lot of ties with that method, and technically, your method favors schools with fewer available schollies.  For example, if a team only had one scholarship available and they land a 4-star recruit, its score would be a 4.  If that guy blows up his knee during the first week of practice, it's a zero (for all intents and purposes).  I agree with your basic premise, but find a way to reward depth of the class at least a little bit. 
Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2014, 12:38:20 PM »
who's Xavier predicted to get?



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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2014, 12:46:53 PM »
who's Xavier predicted to get?

#97: KJ Walton
#187: Jeremy Miller
#211: Kipper Nichols
#214: Aric Holman
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