Advantage of Being In an NBA Town

[Texas Western]

I think this picture tells it all. It is a big plus for MU to be in an NBA town and share an arena. I think Wojo understands this and is using it to our advantage.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteHoops/status/510862879349039104/photo/1

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Whatever strategy Wojo is using its sure as hell working. Its that Wojo Mojo. So long as he isn't doing anything Brent or Calapari shady I am ok with it.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Just thinking a little about this.... I feel like Milwaukee in particular is a unique NBA town for a school like MU. Since MU and Bucks are two of the 3/4 top attractions in town, it seems natural for them to pair up for events/players to swing by MU's awesome practice facilities.

Even if DePaul got their act together and became perennial top-25, I just don't see the Bulls doing the same kind of thing with them. Same with Detroit & OU/UDM.... etc.

I'm sure I'm missing some but which NBA team plays in a market with a standout BBall program there with a huge commitment to MBB?

LA? Philly? Memphis?

Do they interact much?

[Coleman]

Just thinking a little about this.... I feel like Milwaukee in particular is a unique NBA town for a school like MU. Since MU and Bucks are two of the 3/4 top attractions in town, it seems natural for them to pair up for events/players to swing by MU's awesome practice facilities.

Even if DePaul got their act together and became perennial top-25, I just don't see the Bulls doing the same kind of thing with them. Same with Detroit & OU/UDM.... etc.

I'm sure I'm missing some but which NBA team plays in a market with a standout BBall program there with a huge commitment to MBB?

LA? Philly? Memphis?

Do they interact much?

No clue if they interact much, but Memphis is a very similar sized market with NBA, major college bball and not much else in the way of major league sports... so I could see that be an analogous type of situation

[jsglow]

Let's admit that this is a bit of a unique situation.  Wojo is Jabari's former coach and they appear close.  At the same time, STjr. is Jabari's close friend and HS teammate.  I'd frankly be surprised if Jabari didn't occasionally hang with the guys in Kasten.  They're all 18-21 year old kids.  Now if he wasn't on the local NBA team that wouldn't be possible but let's not suggest that it's routine for NBA guys to hang at the local college.  On the contrary, Jimmy makes somewhat frequent trips to MKE from Chicago when he can.

[StillWarriors]

It is kind of a perfect storm as far as Jabari goes. As some may recall, he was at Marq Madness a couple years ago in support of STJr. while on crutches for his foot injury as a senior in high school. Kind of wild he ended up with the Bucks, especially just as Wojo comes to town.

[GB Warrior]

And the best part about Jabari is that right now, he's just a shiny new toy, but as he gets better, his connection to Wojo will mean that much more.

[Coleman]

And the best part about Jabari is that right now, he's just a shiny new toy, but as he gets better, his connection to Wojo will mean that much more.

Unfortunately, like every other star, he will probably want to leave Milwaukee as soon as he proves himself.

[Bocephys]

Unfortunately, like every other star, he will probably want to leave Milwaukee as soon as he proves himself.

Most want to leave before they prove themselves.

[Slim]

Let's admit that this is a bit of a unique situation.  Wojo is Jabari's former coach and they appear close.  At the same time, STjr. is Jabari's close friend and HS teammate.  I'd frankly be surprised if Jabari didn't occasionally hang with the guys in Kasten.  They're all 18-21 year old kids.  Now if he wasn't on the local NBA team that wouldn't be possible but let's not suggest that it's routine for NBA guys to hang at the local college.  On the contrary, Jimmy makes somewhat frequent trips to MKE from Chicago when he can.

I love it when JFEB comes to town!

[GGGG]

Unfortunately, like every other star, he will probably want to leave Milwaukee as soon as he proves himself.

If the Bucks start winning, players will want to play in Milwaukee. 

[hoyasincebirth]

NBA players stop by Georgetown all the time. And not just alumni. Teams facing the Wizards often use McDonough for some extra practice and Wizards players and DC natives stop by during the summer to play pick up. John Wall and Durant stop by every summer since being in the league. Obviously all the Georgetown Alumni come back all the time as well. Heck I even remember players tweeting photos with your boy Dwayne Wade last year.

[We R Final Four]

No clue if they interact much, but Memphis is a very similar sized market with NBA, major college bball and not much else in the way of major league sports... so I could see that be an analogous type of situation

? Except for the major league sports team in Milwaukee.......

Milwaukee Brewers.

[Coleman]

If the Bucks start winning, players will want to play in Milwaukee. 

chicken and egg thing

[Coleman]

? Except for the major league sports team in Milwaukee.......

Milwaukee Brewers.

Oh, I thought they were minor league.

[We R Final Four]

You were thinking of the Cubs.

[🏀]

You were thinking of the Cubs.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?year=2014&month=8&day=5&submit=Submit+Date

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?year=2014&month=9&day=15&submit=Submit+Date

Let's not throw barbs.

[We R Final Four]

Gotcha. On 9/15

MKE 6 games over 500......cubs 19 under.

[🏀]

Gotcha. On 9/15

MKE 6 games over 500......cubs 19 under.

Was actually pointing out that submarine act by the Brewers known as regression to the mean.

[WarriorFan]

I'm not sure what it was like before the Kevin O'Neill era, but during his time, the old gym and even the rec center were frequented by NBA players from Milwaukee and Bucks players, playing pick-up ball with the MU team during the summer.  I'd even occasionally see some other very good pro athletes there playing hoops.  Paul Molitor was there a few times and was an amazing player.  

Hope Wojo can bring back the same approach.  

[We R Final Four]

Was actually pointing out that submarine act by the Brewers known as regression to the mean.

Yeah--got it.
I think you have to be at the top in order to collapse.
As for the cubbies....... Well we all know that story.

[🏀]

Well, if we're talking TOP, top. Then the Brewers haven't been there!

Ugh, don't use Cubbies. That's one tradition (amongst too many others) that can get Aids and die.

[We R Final Four]

Get AIDS and die?

Ok we're done.

[Johnny B]

Get AIDS and die?

Ok we're done.

What are you
Talking about?

[cheebs09]

I've seen the Bulls and Knicks at the Al. Granted they had MU players on them at the time. There was always the story about Crowder and Carlos Arroyo getting into it at the Al when the Heat played there.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What are you
Talking about?

I think he was objecting to TallEllenson's use of the phrase "get aids and die"

[🏀]

Get AIDS and die?

Ok we're done.

Some just don't appreciate references.

[🏀]

I've seen the Bulls and Knicks at the Al. Granted they had MU players on them at the time. There was always the story about Crowder and Carlos Arroyo getting into it at the Al when the Heat played there.

A lot of NBA teams have been to the Al. Usually only publicized when MU players return.

[warriorchick]

If the Bucks start winning, players will want to play in Milwaukee. 

Exactly.  That's what happened in Green Bay.

[MU82]

I know that one reason I chose Marquette was because it had the NBA and MLB.

And how MU history would have changed for the worse had I matriculated elsewhere!

[martyconlonontherun]

Unfortunately, like every other star, he will probably want to leave Milwaukee as soon as he proves himself.

I don't think is as bad as people think. Yeah, you will get the Todd Day saying "Damn...Milwaukee" after getting drafted. But a lot of players genuinely like it here. Ray Allen, Des Mason, CBell, etc were all guys that said they liked living in Milwaukee. I think a lot of the negative attitude had to do with the old regime looking to constantly be mediocre. I think the new owners bring a lot of positive PR to the team and you see excitement slowly start to build.

[Freeport Warrior]

Unfortunately, like every other star, he will probably want to leave Milwaukee as soon as he proves himself.

I don't think Jabari is your typical young NBA star player.

He wanted to come to Milwaukee to be close to his family. His dad has a liver condition which requires frequent dialysis, so MKE was second only to Chicago. There were even rumors that he blew his Cleveland workout so they wouldn't take him because he preferred MKE so much more. He and his family are also very comfortable and familiar with the city. He has been playing 5/6 tournaments a year up here since he was a young teen. I recall reading somewhere that he used to take the train up here by himself to attend the NY2LA basketball camps and considers Milwaukee his second home.

He is also a devout Mormon -- you won't see him smoking, drinking or clubbing. Maybe he can knock some sense into Sanders! I am hoping that he helps revive the Bucks franchise and eventually becomes the Robin Yount/Paul Molitor type of icon this city has been missing for the last two decades. That picture of Jabari with Heldt is f'n awesome and hopefully just the beginning.

[Coleman]

You were thinking of the Cubs.

They are too.

I'm a Cardinals fan.

[Johnny B]

Jabari said he may want to spend his whole
Career with one team, for now he's here to stay.

[wadesworld]

Jabari's listed at 6'7", which mean's he's 6'1", which means Heldt is only 6'3"!  Another 6'3" center?!  Why can't Wojo recruit bigs?!  I thought he coached bigs at Dook!

[Johnny B]

Jabari's listed at 6'7", which mean's he's 6'1", which means Heldt is only 6'3"!  Another 6'3" center?!  Why can't Wojo recruit bigs?!  I thought he coached bigs at Dook!

And derricks only 5'4!

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Yeah--got it.
I think you have to be at the top in order to collapse.
As for the cubbies....... Well we all know that story.

that is some creative bragging.

[mr.MUskie]

Unfortunately, like every other star, he will probably want to leave Milwaukee as soon as he proves himself.

But they end up sorry they left.

http://youtu.be/ShrV43xB6yY

[MUHoopsFan2]

I don't think Jabari is your typical young NBA star player.

He wanted to come to Milwaukee to be close to his family. His dad has a liver condition which requires frequent dialysis, so MKE was second only to Chicago. There were even rumors that he blew his Cleveland workout so they wouldn't take him because he preferred MKE so much more. He and his family are also very comfortable and familiar with the city. He has been playing 5/6 tournaments a year up here since he was a young teen. I recall reading somewhere that he used to take the train up here by himself to attend the NY2LA basketball camps and considers Milwaukee his second home.

He is also a devout Mormon -- you won't see him smoking, drinking or clubbing. Maybe he can knock some sense into Sanders! I am hoping that he helps revive the Bucks franchise and eventually becomes the Robin Yount/Paul Molitor type of icon this city has been missing for the last two decades. That picture of Jabari with Heldt is f'n awesome and hopefully just the beginning.

You could have left Larry Sanders out of it...but otherwise a good post. But let Larry Sanders alone.

[Freeport Warrior]

You could have left Larry Sanders out of it...but otherwise a good post. But let Larry Sanders alone.

My point was that I don't think Parker is your typical NBA star. In contrast, I think Sanders is. I think Sanders is very key to the rebirth of the Bucks. He is one of the best defensive centers in the league when he is "on." If he can "grow up" a little this year and avoid trouble, these guys could be well on their way and primed to be in the upper echelon in the next 3-4 years.

[4everwarriors]

Sanders is one can short of a 6 pack

[GGGG]

Sanders, Parker, Greek Freak (whose family now lives here) are a good start to a base of a franchise.  Again, if they can start to win, even like they did in the late 90s, players will want to be here.

I heard the same excuses about the Packers and Brewers.  Winning cures all.

[GB Warrior]

chicken and egg thing

Yes and no. That's why Giannis, Henson, Parker, and Sanders are so important. As draft picks, they're stuck here. The Bucks have a period of time to turn this around and begin scrubbing away the losing culture while they don't have the power to negotiate. The next three years will be crucial.

[wadesworld]

Sanders, Parker, Greek Freak (whose family now lives here) are a good start to a base of a franchise.  Again, if they can start to win, even like they did in the late 90s, players will want to be here.

I heard the same excuses about the Packers and Brewers.  Winning cures all.

I'd argue you could switch Henson in for Sanders.  In my opinion, if you could get a game ball for Larry Sanders you do it for all I care.  I like Henson, though.

[WarriorFan]

No team with Larry Sanders on it will ever win consistently.  He's just too dumb to add any value.  Go to a game some time and just watch him.  He just has no clue.

[Freeport Warrior]

No team with Larry Sanders on it will ever win consistently.  He's just too dumb to add any value.  Go to a game some time and just watch him.  He just has no clue.

I hope you are wrong. This is an interesting read about the Bucks:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-have-to-get-eric-bledsoe-on-the-bucks/

[wadesworld]

I hope you are wrong. This is an interesting read about the Bucks:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-have-to-get-eric-bledsoe-on-the-bucks/

So basically what he is saying is that because Phoenix is Phoenix and may actually attract players worth a max contract they should get rid of Bledsoe because he wants a max contract but is not worth it, but because Milwaukee is not Phoenix it will not attract a player who is actually worth the max contract, so they might as well overpay and offer someone who is not worth the max contract a max contract just to get him into Milwaukee.  Sounds like some horrible reasoning to me.

Not to mention, Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight play the same type of game and put up almost identical numbers last year, and Knight has had a better overall career.  So I'm not sure I see any positive in this at all.  I personally don't care for the way either of them play the game as point guards and hope Kendall Marshall and Nate Wolters get most of the minutes at the point.

Trade Sanders early if he proves to other teams that he is worth anything, take your bumps this year, get another quality draft pick in, and try to sign a player or 2 that are worth signing (unlike OJ Mayo).

PS A borderline Playoffs Bucks team is not going to convince people to pay for a new arena.  Heck, an NBA Championship team may not even help much.  I don't think taxpayers are going to budge much on that issue regardless of on court results.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I think this picture tells it all. It is a big plus for MU to be in an NBA town and share an arena. I think Wojo understands this and is using it to our advantage.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteHoops/status/510862879349039104/photo/1

If we didn't have an NBA town, you leverage something else.  At the end of the day, it's basically marketing.  All in how one wishes to trump what they think will help the program.   I remember a time 10 years ago when the idea of playing on blue turf for football was considered stupid and people made fun of it.  Wojo is smart, take what you think will help.  Just as Duke and UNC did just fine without a NBA team within 2+ hours.  If the Bucks leave, MU will be just fine.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Exactly.  That's what happened in Green Bay.

Don't think so, NFL is a lot different than NBA.  Team game vs individual.  NBA guys are looking to see how they can maximize their brand, which is a lot different scenario for a NFL player coming to a Green Bay.  In the long run anyway.

[MU82]

If we didn't have an NBA town, you leverage something else.  At the end of the day, it's basically marketing.  All in how one wishes to trump what they think will help the program.   I remember a time 10 years ago when the idea of playing on blue turf for football was considered stupid and people made fun of it.  Wojo is smart, take what you think will help.  Just as Duke and UNC did just fine without a NBA team within 2+ hours.  If the Bucks leave, MU will be just fine.

For the record, I don't think we should replace the Bradley Center floor with blue turf!

[The Lens]

Retaining players is the least of my Bucks concerns
1) The NBA sets its Cap / Contracts to make it advantageous for guys to stay
2) Ray Allen was pissed when he was traded
3) Sam and Glenn loved it here
4) Ryan Braun, Yovanni, Lucroy and others have signed long terms deals with the Brewers
5) Larry Sanders stayed and it was just 12 months ago that every NBA team would have taken LARRY SANDERS!

[ChicosBailBonds]

For the record, I don't think we should replace the Bradley Center floor with blue turf!

Better than red turf

[ChicosBailBonds]

Retaining players is the least of my Bucks concerns
1) The NBA sets its Cap / Contracts to make it advantageous for guys to stay
2) Ray Allen was pissed when he was traded
3) Sam and Glenn loved it here
4) Ryan Braun, Yovanni, Lucroy and others have signed long terms deals with the Brewers
5) Larry Sanders stayed and it was just 12 months ago that every NBA team would have taken LARRY SANDERS!

Milwaukee is a nice city, would live there again.  I'm sure many of the NBA players enjoyed their time in brew city, though as much as they love it I also doubt many are coming back to retire.  Current players, if they have plans on globalizing their brand, are likely not to stay with those teams in those smaller cities.  Though, to your point the new CBA at least gives those teams a fighting chance now.  We'll see how it plays out ultimately.  A Lebron back in Cleveland changes the dynamics for a city like that, but he's also from NE Ohio.  Can a Milwaukee, Ok City, Charlotte, New Orleans, Portland, Indiana, etc retain players for the long haul if they are top 10% talent levels?  Exception or rule? 

I guess the question I would ask, would you foresee a Mike Trout signing with Milwaukee in free agency?  Or LebBron?  Or Stanton?  Etc?  Maybe, but it's hard for me to see it.  NFL a different animal.  I could be wrong...I often am.

[AZWarrior]

For the record, I don't think we should replace the Bradley Center floor with blue turf!

You, sir, are simply not a visionary.   

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

For the record, I don't think we should replace the Bradley Center floor with blue turf!

One the local schools, University of New Haven built a blue turf field for their DII football team.  Their school colors are light blue & yellow.

[swoopem]

I guess the question I would ask, would you foresee a Mike Trout signing with Milwaukee in free agency?  Or LebBron?  Or Stanton?  Etc?  Maybe, but it's hard for me to see it.  NFL a different animal.  I could be wrong...I often am.

Baseball is diffrent because there's no cap (which I know you know). I was in school during the CC Sabathia trade and when they tried to sign him after the season. The rumor was that he really liked Milwaukee and wanted to stay, but he couldn't pass up the money that the Yankees dished out. If the Brewers were able to match teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, etc then yeah I would think that players would sign with them. Especially if they've already played for the team and lived in the city.

NBA is a totally diffrent ballgame. Serious question, have the Bucks ever signed someone to a max deal?

[jficke13]

I think the new owners bring a lot of positive PR to the team and you see excitement slowly start to build.

At least one of the new owners is a meddler. A wannabe Mark Cuban or Jerry Jones who fancies himself the smartest person in the room and likely is when that room is focused on something that isn't running an NBA franchise. Just go back and look at how stupid he was in the run-up to the draft when he said "we're taking either Jabari or Wiggins," and left the GM to play that back to save any chance of leveraging a trade if it was desired.

No, these owners are good for two things only: Keeping the team in Milwaukee and getting a new stadium built. They will meddle and deep-six any chance of the Bucks playing for a title.

[The Lens]

Milwaukee is a nice city, would live there again.  I'm sure many of the NBA players enjoyed their time in brew city, though as much as they love it I also doubt many are coming back to retire.  Current players, if they have plans on globalizing their brand, are likely not to stay with those teams in those smaller cities.  Though, to your point the new CBA at least gives those teams a fighting chance now.  We'll see how it plays out ultimately.  A Lebron back in Cleveland changes the dynamics for a city like that, but he's also from NE Ohio.  Can a Milwaukee, Ok City, Charlotte, New Orleans, Portland, Indiana, etc retain players for the long haul if they are top 10% talent levels?  Exception or rule? 

I guess the question I would ask, would you foresee a Mike Trout signing with Milwaukee in free agency?  Or LebBron?  Or Stanton?  Etc?  Maybe, but it's hard for me to see it.  NFL a different animal.  I could be wrong...I often am.

The Bucks don't need to sign Durant to win.  They need this new core to (a) mature, (b) live up to potential and (c) re-sign with the Bucks.  (c) is the least of my worries. 

[Johnny B]

The bulls have helped DePaul so much oh wait...

[The Lens]

I guess the question I would ask, would you foresee a Mike Trout signing with Milwaukee in free agency?  Or LebBron?  Or Stanton?  Etc?  Maybe, but it's hard for me to see it.  NFL a different animal.  I could be wrong...I often am.

Furthermore, we may not get Mike Trout but the Brewers have signed

Matt Garza
Kyle Lohse
Aramis Ramirez
Trevor Hoffman

When the Brewers have lost a guy to free agency its as much a dollars deal as it is the market.  Grienke / Prince / CC didn't sign elsewhere to leave the city but rather they took the biggest pay day. 

[wadesworld]

Baseball is diffrent because there's no cap (which I know you know). I was in school during the CC Sabathia trade and when they tried to sign him after the season. The rumor was that he really liked Milwaukee and wanted to stay, but he couldn't pass up the money that the Yankees dished out. If the Brewers were able to match teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, etc then yeah I would think that players would sign with them. Especially if they've already played for the team and lived in the city.

NBA is a totally diffrent ballgame. Serious question, have the Bucks ever signed someone to a max deal?

Michael Redd.  Good stuff.

[MUfan12]

Michael Redd.  Good stuff.

When Ray wanted to come back, too. Sigh.

[hoyasincebirth]

The bulls have helped DePaul so much oh wait...

I think playing in the same arena as the team is a big part of the connection. Obviously DePaul doesn't get that advantage.

[🏀]

I think playing in the same arena as the team is a big part of the connection. Obviously DePaul doesn't get that advantage.

Or playing in the same zip code...

[ChicosBailBonds]

Baseball is diffrent because there's no cap (which I know you know). I was in school during the CC Sabathia trade and when they tried to sign him after the season. The rumor was that he really liked Milwaukee and wanted to stay, but he couldn't pass up the money that the Yankees dished out. If the Brewers were able to match teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, etc then yeah I would think that players would sign with them. Especially if they've already played for the team and lived in the city.

NBA is a totally diffrent ballgame. Serious question, have the Bucks ever signed someone to a max deal?

There is a luxury tax in baseball, which acts as a soft cap.  The reason I'm not sure I buy your argument is that very few if any go back and retire in Milwaukee when their playing days are done. Nothing is preventing them from doing so.  Personally, I love Milwaukee and could live there again in a heartbeat, but I suspect many players that say they love Milwaukee probably do to an extent (less pressure, less media), but not enough to make it their home. There is a difference in my opinion. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

The Bucks don't need to sign Durant to win.  They need this new core to (a) mature, (b) live up to potential and (c) re-sign with the Bucks.  (c) is the least of my worries. 

Letter "C" is the key.  Do you think they will?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Furthermore, we may not get Mike Trout but the Brewers have signed

Matt Garza
Kyle Lohse
Aramis Ramirez
Trevor Hoffman

When the Brewers have lost a guy to free agency its as much a dollars deal as it is the market.  Grienke / Prince / CC didn't sign elsewhere to leave the city but rather they took the biggest pay day. 

Those guys are good, not great.  Hoffman being signed at age 41? Eh.  Kyle Lohse, 34yr old pitcher when he was signed...back 9 of his career.  Ramirez is good.  Garza...to this day I've never understood the love.  Career .500 pitcher who is .500 again this year.  Don't think he has ever even made an all-star game once in his major league career. 

I'm talking about landing someone that makes you go WOW.  Don't see it happening for any of the Milwaukee sports.  Packers are a different story because of the cap as players have to go where the money is, whether that's GB, Buffalo, Jax, or bigger markets.

[The Lens]

Milwaukeans don't retire in Milwaukee! 

And I'm sorry our free agents haven't impressed you but the Brewers have pretty much gotten who ever they wanted when the money was there.  Ramirez started in the ASG this season and Lohse and Garza both have helped build one of MLB's top staffs. 

And I have zero worries about Giannis or Parker re-signing.  Zero.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Milwaukeans don't retire in Milwaukee! 

And I'm sorry our free agents haven't impressed you but the Brewers have pretty much gotten who ever they wanted when the money was there.  Ramirez started in the ASG this season and Lohse and Garza both have helped build one of MLB's top staffs. 

And I have zero worries about Giannis or Parker re-signing.  Zero.

Plenty of Milwaukeans retire in Milwaukee.  Half of my wife's family did and are buried in the ground up there.

I'm not dissing your free agents, I'm merely going back to the original context about luring great players, a la Reggie White to GB.  Those players you listed are good, not great...in fact I would argue one is average and one was on the final two holes of his career (for the record, I am a HUGE Hoffman fan...he's from the area, went to Savanna High very close, went to Cypress college which I could probably walk to from here).  Hoffman had a very nice year his second to last year, but clearly was done in the second....I'm glad he retired at that point.

It would not surprise me if Parker doesn't resign.  Giannis...eh...he's not that great...yet, which is my overall point.   If he becomes great, I don't think he stays.

[The Lens]

Chicos, do you realize the last player the Bucks lost to free agency trade whom they wanted to keep was Kareem?

That was 1976.  Since then they have retained everyone they wanted.

And don't bet against Giannis. He will be a legend. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, do you realize the last player the Bucks lost to free agency trade whom they wanted to keep was Kareem?

That was 1976.  Since then they have retained everyone they wanted.

And don't bet against Giannis. He will be a legend. 

I know that most of the last 25 years the Bucks have sucked, but if they have been able to retain those sucky players to remain sucky, then they have accomplished something.   

I still go back to the original statement, can they LURE a great player to Milwaukee?  I have my doubts.

Giannis may end up being great, he's young and has potential.  Will he stay?  We shall see.