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Author Topic: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?  (Read 112643 times)

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #250 on: September 23, 2014, 11:48:19 AM »
The big Difference is Ilitch had all the power in the deal.  In MKE you have Owners that cannot move the team to other locations or they lose the team that they purchased at a discount.  They also have KOHLS 100 mil that probably goes back to him if the place is not built, and MU has already said we would Kick in money that I assume we would get back over time.  If the city needs to come up with only 100-150 mil to get it done and passes on it and loses out on all the revenue involed with the team that would seem short sighted. 

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #251 on: September 24, 2014, 10:11:22 AM »
The big Difference is Ilitch had all the power in the deal.  In MKE you have Owners that cannot move the team to other locations or they lose the team that they purchased at a discount.  They also have KOHLS 100 mil that probably goes back to him if the place is not built, and MU has already said we would Kick in money that I assume we would get back over time.  If the city needs to come up with only 100-150 mil to get it done and passes on it and loses out on all the revenue involed with the team that would seem short sighted. 

I've been hearing rumblings of this... at first I didn't believe it, but it is seeming more plausible by the day that Kohl put something of a poison pill in the sale contract should the new owners (or NBA) attempt to move the team out of Milwaukee.  Of course, if there were such language, it wouldn't be made public because then the team would lose 99% of what leverage, if any, they have with the city to get an arena built. 

When you think about it, Herb has no family, his old retail chain is nothing of the company he led back in the 70s, and he was never a hay maker in the Senate... his legacy is the Bucks, period.  If they move away, so goes his legacy, no?  After everything he's accomplished, I don't think that all he wants to remain of his memory ten years from now is a hole named after him in Madison.



Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #252 on: September 24, 2014, 10:45:27 AM »
his old retail chain is nothing of the company he led back in the 70s


Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

He has plenty of legacy. Anyone who served in the US Senate, has an arena named after him, and the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

But, of course he doesn't want the Bucks to leave MKE. it is certainly PART of his legacy.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #253 on: September 24, 2014, 11:53:30 AM »
Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

He has plenty of legacy. Anyone who served in the US Senate, has an arena named after him, and the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

But, of course he doesn't want the Bucks to leave MKE. it is certainly PART of his legacy.

but Kohl's was sold by the Kohl family in 1979 (actually sold the majority in 1972)

I'd wager that outside of WI not many people know he has an arena named after him or that he even existed in the Senate

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #254 on: September 24, 2014, 12:43:13 PM »
Jane Pettit's son calls for demolition of Bradley Center for new arena
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/jane-pettits-son-calls-for-demolition-of-bradley-center-for-new-arena-b99358424z1-276952511.html

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Uihlein suggested that all existing sports venues downtown be demolished. In addition, he suggested that developers "recognize the ceremonial power of Kilbourn Ave., and build on the original home of the Bucks." That would be the UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena, originally known as the Milwaukee Arena and opened in 1953.

Uihlein said all construction costs — no one has forwarded an estimate — should come from the private sector, while operating costs should be supported by the current tax structure under the control of the Wisconsin Center District.

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Uihlein said the taxes collected by the Wisconsin Center District — a food and beverage tax, two hotel taxes and a car rental tax — provided enough money to run the convention center, the UWM arena and Milwaukee Theatre.

"The Wisconsin Center District must relinquish the benefit of this tax to the new entity," Uihlein said.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #255 on: September 24, 2014, 12:53:44 PM »
Jane Pettit's son calls for demolition of Bradley Center for new arena
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/jane-pettits-son-calls-for-demolition-of-bradley-center-for-new-arena-b99358424z1-276952511.html

Someone is coming out with a plan that actually makes a lot of sense.  Hopefully it gains some traction. 

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #256 on: September 24, 2014, 01:03:40 PM »
Wow.  That's a big F U to the Wisconsin Center District.  About time. 
Ludum habemus.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #257 on: September 24, 2014, 01:36:54 PM »
Yeah, I like the plan too.  WI Center District has been pissing away taxpayer money for years.

They need to look at the whole picture and not just the new arena.
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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #258 on: September 24, 2014, 01:43:26 PM »
Someone is coming out with a plan that actually makes a lot of sense.  Hopefully it gains some traction. 

He proposes tearing down the MKE Theater, UWM Arena and the BC. I assume the BC would be last after a new arena was built along Kilbourn Ave., plenty of room for that right?

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #259 on: September 24, 2014, 02:44:56 PM »

Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

Anyone who has... the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.


That's like saying Ronald Wayne's legacy is the iPhone.



(Go ahead, Google "Ronald Wayne".... I'll wait.)
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #260 on: September 24, 2014, 03:11:34 PM »
Kohl's (The store) is bigger than it ever has been.

He has plenty of legacy. Anyone who served in the US Senate, has an arena named after him, and the 2nd biggest department store chain in the country has plenty of legacy.

But, of course he doesn't want the Bucks to leave MKE. it is certainly PART of his legacy.

Wasn't Herb much more involved in the Kohl's grocery stores that no longer exist?

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #261 on: September 24, 2014, 03:34:29 PM »
Wasn't Herb much more involved in the Kohl's grocery stores that no longer exist?

Herb's father started both the grocery chain and the department stores.  Some tobacco conglomerate bought into the company in the 70's, but I think the two sons still had shares.  The grocery stores were sold to A&P in the 1980's.
The department stores were sold not long thereafter.
Ludum habemus.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #262 on: September 24, 2014, 08:27:05 PM »
Actually, Herb ran the grocery end.. Sydney ran the Real Estate... Allen started and ran the Dept stores..  Max had bought up both sides of Brown Deer rd, from n 76th st to like 108th st.. incl the land where Northridge, Northridger Plaza ( south side of Brown Deer rd) and Northridge Lakes apts are...i think it was back in the 50's, ... Kohls also owned the land where Southridge stands..So Max rely set the Family up quite well..

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #263 on: September 24, 2014, 09:24:41 PM »
Jane Pettit's son calls for demolition of Bradley Center for new arena
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/jane-pettits-son-calls-for-demolition-of-bradley-center-for-new-arena-b99358424z1-276952511.html

A very sensible approach. Can be done in stages. The operating dollars from the existing tax structure can make it work.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #264 on: September 24, 2014, 11:48:26 PM »
A very sensible approach. Can be done in stages. The operating dollars from the existing tax structure can make it work.

Agreed.  Gimbel and the WI Center District need to get out of the way for the good of the city.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #265 on: September 25, 2014, 09:11:29 AM »

That's like saying Ronald Wayne's legacy is the iPhone.



(Go ahead, Google "Ronald Wayne".... I'll wait.)

Maybe if it was called the "Ronald Wayne Phone."

His name is on the stores dude.

And I know who he is. I read the Steve Jobs book.

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« Reply #266 on: September 25, 2014, 09:18:42 AM »
A privately funded arena with a well thought out, long-term vision, would be a big win for Milwaukee.


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« Reply #267 on: September 25, 2014, 01:54:59 PM »
Agreed.  Gimbel and the WI Center District need to get out of the way for the good of the city.


Good luck with that, hey?
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Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #269 on: September 25, 2014, 03:17:31 PM »
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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #271 on: September 26, 2014, 08:36:02 AM »
When you think about it, Herb has no family, his old retail chain is nothing of the company he led back in the 70s, and he was never a hay maker in the Senate... his legacy is the Bucks, period.  If they move away, so goes his legacy, no?  After everything he's accomplished, I don't think that all he wants to remain of his memory ten years from now is a hole named after him in Madison.


This is Herb Kohl's legacy, and if I were a betting man, will get the bulk of his estate when he passes away.

http://www.kohleducation.org/

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #272 on: September 26, 2014, 09:00:54 AM »
We went to the Milwaukee Theater last week during Open Doors Milwaukee (which is awesome..)

I've been there for events, but wow, that is a fantastic building, great venue.  Largest theater in Wisconsin. 

Seems like tearing that down would be a travesty.

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #273 on: September 26, 2014, 09:43:28 AM »
I do have a question for this new proposal...

If they are tearing down both the BC and the MECCA/Cell/Panther Arena to make way for the new arena, where do the Bucks and MU play during construction?

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Re: A New Stadium For The 2017 Season?
« Reply #274 on: September 26, 2014, 09:50:32 AM »
We went to the Milwaukee Theater last week during Open Doors Milwaukee (which is awesome..)

I've been there for events, but wow, that is a fantastic building, great venue.  Largest theater in Wisconsin. 

Seems like tearing that down would be a travesty.

Marquette basketball is more important.

 

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