What was Brent's connection that he got so involved in this?

[rocket surgeon]

He said it's so that they don't have shame about their bodies. To me 8 and 9 is the absolute oldest that I can fathom that being ok before you hit creepy.  The two videos were not of them bathing but of a dance they did after the bath where the three kids asked him to video tape a dance and then they dropped their towels and sang some song about being naked.  Personally I think the only fire able portion is that it was on a work phone.  I'm all for making peole comfortable with their bodies but at that age, especially for the girl, you're getting into not ok for her to be walking around naked in front of lil bro and dad

well if any good came of this-hopefully awareness.  either it exposed a potential problem in the making and corrected it, or it shoved it back into a closet only to reappear later.  i shudder to be reminded of one jerry sandusky.  i have to lean toward creepy and hope the hoffner family sees this as bad judgement, puts it behind them, never to have to revisit anything like this again as well as anyone else.  man, if this happens again in some form or another, many will look back and say what if only we...?  how many people saw the signs and ignored them with sandusky?  just saying

[Tugg Speedman]

Again. Given all this ... Why is Bert calling this guy out of the blue to pay for a trip to Disney world and going to bat for him?

It leaves me as many questions as the video does.

[rocket surgeon]

Again. Given all this ... Why is Bert calling this guy out of the blue to pay for a trip to Disney world and going to bat for him?

It leaves me as many questions as the video does.

only thing i can think of is that he felt sorry for him and felt he was getting "jobbed"?  could you imagine being minot state?  giving him a 2nd chance on the recommendations/endorsement of buzz and then he leaves there to go back to mankato after they just done exposing him as an alleged pedophile?  that's got to blow buzz's credibility some?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Hoffner's case is odd. Definitely a different standard of appropriateness than what is the current cultural norm. Certainly not something I would do if I was a parent. But I don't think the dad is a pedophile.

In the end, it was on a school issued phone, so it was absolutely within the rights of the school to terminate the coach. But this strikes me as a case of bad judgement rather than a heinous crime.

[muhoosier260]

If the facts were the same except for the pictures being on a computer (school issued) would people's reaction be different? Regardless, Buzz injecting himself into this situation is bizarre (even though I think Hoffner didn't deserve any of the treatment he received).

[rocket surgeon]

sounded like mankato made a knee jerk reaction, without having all the facts first.  then as the situation evolved, cooler heads prevailed.  but hey, hoffner doesn't swear anymore and they get to listen to loud music now or something?  what's next? chocolate milk on fridays?  what's nasty about this, will hoffner persevere?  he came perilously close to losing his reputation, career, house, family, etc over an alleged, but kind of creepy act.  maybe buzz helped prevent this from going where no innocent person should have to go-guilty before innocent 

[Jay Bee]

sounded like mankato made a knee jerk reaction, without having all the facts first.  then as the situation evolved, cooler heads prevailed.  but hey, hoffner doesn't swear anymore and they get to listen to loud music now or something?  what's next? chocolate milk on fridays?  what's nasty about this, will hoffner persevere?  he came perilously close to losing his reputation, career, house, family, etc over an alleged, but kind of creepy act.  maybe buzz helped prevent this from going where no innocent person should have to go-guilty before innocent 

No, Mankato didn't. They didn't fire him for a loooong time after the phone incident and when they did it was for something else (e.g., viewing dirt porn on his work issued computer; allowing his wife to use the computer).

I think if you look at the various changes Hoffner has "made" in how he carries himself at work now, you can tell there were some other issues other than the bizarro stuff on his phone and him  beating to porn on his work computer.

He testified at his own pre-trial - for a long time. It was unusual and odd. The disgusting stuff on his phone isn't in question - it's what you personally think about it. I find it disturbing and problematic. Others don't.

[keefe]

No, Mankato didn't. They didn't fire him for a loooong time after the phone incident and when they did it was for something else (e.g., viewing dirt porn on his work issued computer; allowing his wife to use the computer).

I think if you look at the various changes Hoffner has "made" in how he carries himself at work now, you can tell there were some other issues other than the bizarro stuff on his phone and him  beating to porn on his work computer.

He testified at his own pre-trial - for a long time. It was unusual and odd. The disgusting stuff on his phone isn't in question - it's what you personally think about it. I find it disturbing and problematic. Others don't

The plot thickens...

This man filmed his two daughters bending over, pulling their butt cheeks apart, and exposing their sphincters to him. How anyone can not find that disturbing is troubling in a very different way.

[4everwarriors]

Auditionin' for the Casting Couch, hey?

[rocket surgeon]

No, Mankato didn't. They didn't fire him for a loooong time after the phone incident and when they did it was for something else (e.g., viewing dirt porn on his work issued computer; allowing his wife to use the computer).

I think if you look at the various changes Hoffner has "made" in how he carries himself at work now, you can tell there were some other issues other than the bizarro stuff on his phone and him  beating to porn on his work computer.

He testified at his own pre-trial - for a long time. It was unusual and odd. The disgusting stuff on his phone isn't in question - it's what you personally think about it. I find it disturbing and problematic. Others don't.

oh, shoot!  i didn't know about the porn stuff-wtf, but thanks for filling me in.  sounds like he's qualified for a position with the federal gubmint though as they have just recently admitted that they watch up to 8 hours or so of porn a week or something like that.  maybe he'd have some pointers/new web sites to recommend?  it'll be interesting to see how his team does after all this.  and buzz?  now i have more questions than answers.

[keefe]

oh, shoot!  i didn't know about the porn stuff-wtf, but thanks for filling me in.  sounds like he's qualified for a position with the federal gubmint though as they have just recently admitted that they watch up to 8 hours or so of porn a week or something like that.  maybe he'd have some pointers/new web sites to recommend?  it'll be interesting to see how his team does after all this.  and buzz?  now i have more questions than answers.

Viewing porn on an Air Force computer will get you charged with several violations of the UCMJ. Viewing porn at work in the tech industry is just another day of work.

But the videos of his kids are sick.

[Coleman]

Should he have been fired because he took photos of his nude pre-pubescent male and female children bathing together? No.

Should he have been fired for taking photos of his nude pre-pubescent male and female children bathing together with an employer-provided asset? Arguable.

Its an important distinction that Keefe makes.

What you do on your own time with your own stuff is your business, as long as it is not illegal.

What you do with your company's assets are a completely different story. And a company has every right to terminate employment with someone they deem is using their assets inappropriately (or even simply in a way unintended by the employer).

[barfolomew]

What you do with your company's assets are a completely different story. And a company has every right to terminate employment with someone they deem is using their assets inappropriately (or even simply in a way unintended by the employer).

Except Scoop at work...
Surely that is an inalienable human right!

[keefe]

Except Scoop at work...
Surely that is an inalienable human right!

I read somewhere that Jefferson had the men of Scoop in mind when he put quill to parchment and articulated that concept. Some issues are foundational bedrock in the quest for life, liberty, and the pursuit of basketball knowledge.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

jaybee's got videos of 89 year olds bathing and dancing the sphincter dance.

[Spotcheck Billy]

jaybee's got videos of 89 year olds bathing and dancing the sphincter dance.

TMI

[Newsdreams]

jaybee's got videos of 89 year olds bathing and dancing the sphincter dance.

4ever can you certify this?