New Scout Rankings

[JakeBarnes]

Stone at 4
Ellenson at 6
Pritzl-47
Heldt-56
Cheatham-80
Bryant crawford-82
NickN-89

[MuMark]

Who was the poster that complained about Wojo taking Heldt? lol

[humanlung]

Just posted this on another thread.  You beat me by two minutes!

Sorry if I have missed this elsewhere but Scout now has Matt Heldt as a 4 star recruit.  He's the #15 center in the class and is ranked #56 overall.  

Looks like a nice little bump.

[Tugg Speedman]

So:

Two top 100 guys verbaled

On two top 10 guys

On three other top 100 guys

Question ... did our recruiting take a dip from Brent to Wojo?

[River rat]

LittleMurs

 "Yes, Matt Heldt.  Don't get me wrong, I am very happy to have Matt, but he's got some rising to do to be a top 100 guy.  Another reason why rankings should be taken with a grain of salt."

[Tugg Speedman]

LittleMurs

 "Yes, Matt Heldt.  Don't get me wrong, I am very happy to have Matt, but he's got some rising to do to be a top 100 guy.  Another reason why rankings should be taken with a grain of salt."

If scout puts a number next to your name less than 100 (56 in this case), isn't that the definition of a "top 100 guy?"

[WarriorInNYC]

LittleMurs

 "Yes, Matt Heldt.  Don't get me wrong, I am very happy to have Matt, but he's got some rising to do to be a top 100 guy.  Another reason why rankings should be taken with a grain of salt."

That quote there sounds like someone knew Heldt was underrated.  Not sure I see what is wrong with it.

[KenoshaWarrior]

Who was the poster that complained about Wojo taking Heldt? lol

That was me.   

But a lot you said "rankings mean nothing"  but now it's "Look at his ranking"

[g0lden3agle]

That was me.   

But a lot you said "rankings mean nothing"  but now it's "Look at his ranking"

We have our cake and eat it too!

[Lennys Tap]

Excited about Matt's jump, disappointed in Nick's slip, pissed that Pritzl is top 50.

(Think I might be wrong on Nick - higher rankings on 247 and ESPN, but I think he had been 91st on Scout's previous ranking - can someone give context?)

[humanlung]

That was me.   

But a lot you said "rankings mean nothing"  but now it's "Look at his ranking"

I think people were trying to point out that he was vastly underrated at the time he committed.  Rankings really don't mean anything other than we all get to feel warm and fuzzy about it.

[MUfan12]

Excited about Matt's jump, disappointed in Nick's slip, pissed that Pritzl is top 50.

Pritzl is a touch overrated, IMO. There's not that much of a gap between he and Nick.

There's a really good chance that Wojo lands four top 100 players, including a top 10 guy, in his first class. Very impressive.

[wadesworld]

Wasn't Noskowiak the stand out player in a tournament while playing on the same team as both Heldt and Pritzl recently?

(I understand that rankings are based on more than a 3 game tournament, just pointing out that if Nick took a "dip" in the rankings, he can still hang with those "rising.")

[Tums Festival]

Stone at 4
Ellenson at 6
Pritzl-47
Heldt-56
Cheatham-80
Bryant crawford-82
NickN-89

Also Jimmy Whitt at 52.

Here's the link to the list: http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2015

[MuMark]

Wasn't Noskowiak the stand out player in a tournament while playing on the same team as both Heldt and Pritzl recently?

(I understand that rankings are based on more than a 3 game tournament, just pointing out that if Nick took a "dip" in the rankings, he can still hang with those "rising.")

Yes he was but that wasn't an AAU event so none of the gurus saw him it. It was a round robin all star team tournament from 4 states IIRC

[Windyplayer]

"Justin Patton, a Creighton commit, and Matt Heldt, a Marquette pledge, were also big movers in the new rankings. Heading into July not much was known about either, but Patton and Heldt both proved worthy of a lofty ranking...Heldt, who also stands 6-foot-10, impressed on offense with hooks shoots and catch and shoot jump shots. Both are promising big men and good early pick ups for their respective schools."

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1433954-updated-scout-top-100?

[swoopem]

Earlier today Mark Miller tweeted that he still thinks Ellenson will become a Warrior and his guess for Stone was UCLA or Wisco. This class is going to be insane.

[MUchamp22]

Scouts rankings are always different than the other recruiting sources. Not that they are a bad indicator of talent, but they are way different than ESPN or 247 rankings. I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket on this. Wait for ESPN's update, they pay big money to have the best scouts rate these players, so they are more trustwothy rankings IMO.

[swoopem]

Scouts rankings are always different than the other recruiting sources. Not that they are a bad indicator of talent, but they are way different than ESPN or 247 rankings. I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket on this. Wait for ESPN's update, they pay big money to have the best scouts rate these players, so they are more trustwothy rankings IMO.

I actually think 247 has the best. They do their own rankings and then they also do a composite ranking which is the average of all the ranking sites.

[MUchamp22]

I actually think 247 has the best. They do their own rankings and then they also do a composite ranking which is the average of all the ranking sites.

Agreed the composite is really nice, but I was saying if I had to trust a single source I would go with ESPN

[MU Buff]

Earlier today Mark Miller tweeted that he still thinks Ellenson will become a Warrior and his guess for Stone was UCLA or Wisco. This class is going to be insane.

Small correction. Mark Miller tweeted Wisconsin or UCONN for Stone, not UCLA

[esotericmindguy]

Small correction. Mark Miller tweeted Wisconsin or UCONN for Stone, not UCLA

How does UCONN still get top recruits? Legendary coach is gone, granted they won it after him, but I still don't get it. They're in a terrible conference, Hartford is the worst city I've ever visited and it's not a great academic university. Strange.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

How does UCONN still get top recruits? Legendary coach is gone, granted they won it after him, but I still don't get it. They're in a terrible conference, Hartford is the worst city I've ever visited and it's not a great academic university. Strange.

Kevin Ollie is building a good reputation -- NBA made a run at him.  Lot's of alums in the NBA and they just won a NC.....some would say it is a better situation than we have.

[JoeSmith1721]

How does UCONN still get top recruits? Legendary coach is gone, granted they won it after him, but I still don't get it. They're in a terrible conference, Hartford is the worst city I've ever visited and it's not a great academic university. Strange.

Not to be that guy, but isn't UCONN in Storrs?

[Lennys Tap]

Kevin Ollie is building a good reputation -- NBA made a run at him.  Lot's of alums in the NBA and they just won a NC.....some would say it is a better situation than we have.

Some? I'd say pretty much everyone.