collapse

* Stud of Colorado Game

Tyler Kolek

21 points, 5 rebounds,
11 assists, 1 steal,
40 minutes

2023-24 Season SoG Tally
Kolek11
Ighodaro6
Jones, K.6
Mitchell2
Jones, S.1
Joplin1

'22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

* Big East Standings

* Recent Posts

Tyler Kolek's "legacy" by Jay Bee
[Today at 10:47:16 AM]


Are we still recruiting anyone for the 24-25 season. by BrewCity83
[Today at 10:46:50 AM]


2024 Transfer Portal by GoldenEagles03
[Today at 10:45:04 AM]


2024 NCAA Tournament Thread by wadesworld
[Today at 10:43:30 AM]


NCSTATE is evil by tower912
[Today at 10:37:58 AM]


Where is Marquette? by Scoop Snoop
[Today at 10:10:34 AM]


2024 Coaching Carousel by Viper
[Today at 09:52:10 AM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address.  We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!

* Next up: NC State

Marquette
81
Marquette vs

NC State

Date/Time: Mar 29, 2024, 6:09 pm
TV: CBS
Schedule for 2023-24
Colorado
77

Author Topic: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone  (Read 13205 times)

Tugg Speedman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8836
Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« on: July 23, 2014, 02:31:42 PM »
These are not the things said about "one and dones."


Seven Takeaways from the Under Armour Finals

Rob Dauster and Scott Phillips
Jul 22, 2014, 1:04 PM EDT

ATLANTA — Scott and I made a trip down to Atlanta to see the Under Armour Finals while we were in Augusta, Ga., for the Peach Jam. Here are our seven takeaways from the event:

[snip]

4. Diamond Stone might have trouble against length in college: Diamond Stone is a consensus top-10 player in the Class of 2015, but the 6-foot-9 bruiser could have some trouble dealing with length on the interior in college. Although Stone is big enough, wide enough and skilled enough to do significant damage at the high school level, he’s had some issues dealing with tall big men with significant wingspans. In an opening-night showcase game against Atlanta Xpress, Stone was blocked at least five times by the combination of the Xpress’ Tim Rowe and Doral Moore. Now, Stone can counteract this a bit by stepping out and taking some jumpers — which he has the ability to do — but the Wisconsin native needs to figure out some more counter moves on the block to help out his game against longer opponents as well. Stone has the talent to do this, it will just be interesting to see how he develops in his senior season. (SP)

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 23367
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 02:37:17 PM »
I'm starting to get a Zach Randolph feel about Diamond.   He, too, was criticized for everything he was not.  But he had the last laugh.   Hopefully, Diamond has the last laugh on his critics.  And double hopefully, he is laughing as a MU Golden Eagle.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 03:55:34 PM »
Stone is going to be fine.  This is starting to sound like sour grapes.  We would welcome him in a heart beat.  Will he live up to the name and the hype, who knows, but he's still going to be a very good player somewhere.  It's sort of like the bashing Tokoto takes here.  I'd take Tokoto in a heartbeat on this team, even if he hasn't lived up to UNC's unrealistic early expectations.

Nukem2

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4973
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2014, 03:59:26 PM »
Stone is going to be fine.  This is starting to sound like sour grapes.  We would welcome him in a heart beat.  Will he live up to the name and the hype, who knows, but he's still going to be a very good player somewhere.  It's sort of like the bashing Tokoto takes here.  I'd take Tokoto in a heartbeat on this team, even if he hasn't lived up to UNC's unrealistic early expectations.
Agreed.  Stone will do well.  Will he be a one and done?   Who knows.

MU82

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22730
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 04:47:54 PM »
One thing we have learned is that even if a guy isn't good enough to be a one-and-done, he still could opt to be a one-and-done.

Or a three-and-done.
“It’s not how white men fight.” - Tucker Carlson

Golden Avalanche

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3163
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 05:05:11 PM »
Stone is going to be fine.  This is starting to sound like sour grapes.  We would welcome him in a heart beat.  Will he live up to the name and the hype, who knows, but he's still going to be a very good player somewhere.  It's sort of like the bashing Tokoto takes here.  I'd take Tokoto in a heartbeat on this team, even if he hasn't lived up to UNC's unrealistic early expectations.

That's all well and good but why would Rob Dauster and Scott Phillips have sour grapes?

First three responses in the thread have been quite positive about Diamond Stone from, presumably, Marquette fans.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22058
  • Meat Eater certified
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 05:58:02 PM »
I'm pretty sure Stone will get his name called by David Stern one day.
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 06:21:32 PM »
I'm pretty sure Stone will get his name called by David Stern one day.

I'll bet you $1,500 that Stern never calls his name.

Any amount you want, I'll bet.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22058
  • Meat Eater certified
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2014, 06:24:53 PM »
I'll bet you $1,500 that Stern never calls his name.

Any amount you want, I'll bet.

Alas, gambling is a rich man's game. And a rich man I am not.
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Warrior Code

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 988
  • Undefeated since 1960
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2014, 06:25:12 PM »
I'll bet you $1,500 that Stern never calls his name.

Any amount you want, I'll bet.

MichaelJacksonPopcorn.gif
Signature:
Signatures are displayed at the bottom of each post or personal message. BBCode and smileys may be used in your signature.

VegasWarrior77

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2378
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2014, 06:30:06 PM »
I'll bet you $1,500 that Stern never calls his name.

Any amount you want, I'll bet.

I see what you did there...!
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

Tugg Speedman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8836
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2014, 06:31:33 PM »
I'll bet you $1,500 that Stern never calls his name.

Any amount you want, I'll bet.

I will also bet you any amount you want, and I will give you 50 to 1 odds that David Stern will never call his name.

So bet me $200 and if Stern calls his name, I will pay you $10,000.

Interested?

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2014, 06:33:17 PM »
I will also bet you any amount you want, and I will give you 50 to 1 odds that David Stern will never call his name.

So bet me $200 and if Stern calls his name, I will pay you $10,000.

Interested?


Quit trying to steal my thunder, jerk.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22058
  • Meat Eater certified
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2014, 06:39:41 PM »
If Stone commits to MU, Scoopers are gonna be pulling 360s so hard someone might snap a neck.
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


wadesworld

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 17385
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 06:49:10 PM »
If Stone commits to MU, Scoopers are gonna be pulling 360s so hard someone might snap a neck.

(You might want to check who the NBA Commissioner is...)
Rocket Trigger Warning (wild that saying this would trigger anyone, but it's the world we live in): Black Lives Matter

TAMU, Knower of Ball

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22058
  • Meat Eater certified
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2014, 06:50:52 PM »
(You might want to check who the NBA Commissioner is...)

.....damn. Well played by everyone.
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 23367
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2014, 07:04:22 PM »
Almost cost you some SILVER dollars there, TAMU.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2014, 07:15:04 PM »
If Stone commits to MU, Scoopers are gonna be pulling 360s so hard someone might snap a neck.

So we'll be spinning back to where we were?

wadesworld

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 17385
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2014, 07:16:10 PM »
So we'll be spinning back to where we were?

On a phucking roll baby!
Rocket Trigger Warning (wild that saying this would trigger anyone, but it's the world we live in): Black Lives Matter

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2014, 07:22:53 PM »

TAMU, Knower of Ball

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22058
  • Meat Eater certified
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2014, 07:25:17 PM »
So we'll be spinning back to where we were?

Sigh....it is not my night.

TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


wadesworld

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 17385
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2014, 07:26:11 PM »
Rocket Trigger Warning (wild that saying this would trigger anyone, but it's the world we live in): Black Lives Matter

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2014, 07:27:22 PM »
Sigh....it is not my night.





edit: *skypoint*
« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 07:34:30 PM by PTM »

ChitownSpaceForRent

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6315
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2014, 07:27:34 PM »
So we'll be spinning back to where we were?

Reminds me ofan interview with an NBA player who said they were gonna turn their season around 360 degrees. The name of the player escapes me.

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2014, 07:30:18 PM »
Reminds me ofan interview with an NBA player who said they were gonna turn their season around 360 degrees. The name of the player escapes me.


Nukem2

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4973
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2014, 07:53:56 PM »
Reminds me ofan interview with an NBA player who said they were gonna turn their season around 360 degrees. The name of the player escapes me.
Back to the future...er, present...     ;)

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 23367
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2014, 08:06:37 PM »
You spin me right round, baby, right round, like a record baby, right round.......
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2014, 08:30:18 PM »
You spin me right round, baby, right round, like a record baby, right round.......

Meatspin?

ChitownSpaceForRent

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6315
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2014, 08:47:12 PM »


Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2014-15 Milwaukee Bucks.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2014, 09:30:10 PM »
That's all well and good but why would Rob Dauster and Scott Phillips have sour grapes?

First three responses in the thread have been quite positive about Diamond Stone from, presumably, Marquette fans.

By bringing it up here.  There are plenty of articles about how great Stone looked, too.  It appears to me there isn't a chance in hell he is coming to MU, thus we put negative articles up about him (what few there are) to justify it's ok he isn't coming here.  When in reality, I believe just about everyone here would be quite pleased if he was to be a Warrior.  My two cents.


GB Warrior

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2265
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2014, 11:41:46 PM »
Have we started the conspiracy that Bo is leaking bad pub on him to lower his self-esteem so low that he would consider UW?

Tugg Speedman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8836
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2014, 05:37:32 AM »
By bringing it up here.  There are plenty of articles about how great Stone looked, too.  It appears to me there isn't a chance in hell he is coming to MU, thus we put negative articles up about him (what few there are) to justify it's ok he isn't coming here.  When in reality, I believe just about everyone here would be quite pleased if he was to be a Warrior.  My two cents.

Not true ... Remember he and the other top players are playing for coaches in several of these tournaments this month for the open evaluation period.  What I have been posting is neutral observers opinions, as opposed to the individual school scout boards stories gushing how great he is because their school is recruiting him.

Here is a more flattering story, but it also notes he has not looked good as some of these tournaments and offers a reason why.

(As I posted in the previous thread with unflattering stories about stone, it happens.  Players have bad stretches but it doesn't mean he is a bad player)

------------------

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/18/uaa-the-finals-thursday-recap-josh-jackson-vs-jaylen-brown-highlights-the-day/


Diamond Stone also plays well: I caught Stone’s final game of the day, as he squared off with Penn State-commit Mike Watkins and put together the most impressive performance that I have seen from the big man to date. He knocked down a couple of trail-threes from the top of the key, make a couple of plays around the rim and had one startling crossover that led to a dunk over Watkins in a half-court possession.

Stone, who is ranked No. 6 in the Class of 2015 by Rivals, did not have an overly impressive performance in Philly last week for the Breakout Classic, but certainly made his presence known on Thursday. The Wisconsin-native has made a point to try and show off his perimeter ability this July, which is frustrating and promising at the same time: he does appear to be getting better with his ability to shoot the ball and face opponents up, but his biggest strength still lies in his back-to-the-basket game.

But hey, that’s really what AAU basketball is for, a chance for kids to try out moves they have been working on in games that, in all reality, don’t matter.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2014, 06:50:20 AM by Heisenberg »

TedBaxter

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2014, 06:13:01 AM »
I don't care what anyone says here,  If you've seen Diamond Stone and Henry Ellenson play, they are about as good a big men as you are going to see in this state.  I'd take either in a heart beat and I'm sure the new coaching staff feels the same way.  That said, I don't see Diamond coming to Marquette and I hope he makes the best decision for him.
If You Aren't All In For Marquette Basketball, Move On

Texas Western

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1207
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2014, 08:06:24 AM »
I will also bet you any amount you want, and I will give you 50 to 1 odds that David Stern will never call his name.

So bet me $200 and if Stern calls his name, I will pay you $10,000.

Interested?

I will take that action if you substitute Adam Silvers name for Stern...:)

Lennys Tap

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 12221
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2014, 09:05:29 AM »
By bringing it up here.  There are plenty of articles about how great Stone looked, too.  It appears to me there isn't a chance in hell he is coming to MU, thus we put negative articles up about him (what few there are) to justify it's ok he isn't coming here.  When in reality, I believe just about everyone here would be quite pleased if he was to be a Warrior.  My two cents.



Diamond is from Milwaukee. He's widely recognized as a top ten player in his class. Marquette has been recruiting him for probably at least 5 years. Marquette is still recruiting him and from every report is still on his list. As a Marquette fan, I'm interested in his performances against top flight competition this summer - whether he's overwhelming or less than that. It's mind boggling that a guy capable of writing ultra negative/mean spirited things about our players is so sensitive to very mild criticism of a recruit's performance.

Texas Western

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1207
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2014, 10:41:51 AM »
Not true ... Remember he and the other top players are playing for coaches in several of these tournaments this month for the open evaluation period.  What I have been posting is neutral observers opinions, as opposed to the individual school scout boards stories gushing how great he is because their school is recruiting him.

Here is a more flattering story, but it also notes he has not looked good as some of these tournaments and offers a reason why.

(As I posted in the previous thread with unflattering stories about stone, it happens.  Players have bad stretches but it doesn't mean he is a bad player)

------------------

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/18/uaa-the-finals-thursday-recap-josh-jackson-vs-jaylen-brown-highlights-the-day/


Diamond Stone also plays well: I caught Stone’s final game of the day, as he squared off with Penn State-commit Mike Watkins and put together the most impressive performance that I have seen from the big man to date. He knocked down a couple of trail-threes from the top of the key, make a couple of plays around the rim and had one startling crossover that led to a dunk over Watkins in a half-court possession.

Stone, who is ranked No. 6 in the Class of 2015 by Rivals, did not have an overly impressive performance in Philly last week for the Breakout Classic, but certainly made his presence known on Thursday. The Wisconsin-native has made a point to try and show off his perimeter ability this July, which is frustrating and promising at the same time: he does appear to be getting better with his ability to shoot the ball and face opponents up, but his biggest strength still lies in his back-to-the-basket game.

But hey, that’s really what AAU basketball is for, a chance for kids to try out moves they have been working on in games that, in all reality, don’t matter.
I agree that AAU provides an opportunity for skills development against top flite competition. We have to keep making the case that we can develop Stone to his full potential. One aspect of that is with MU he is the featured player, with maximum playing time, versus question marks on those points at other schools  .As they have  recruited a number of other big men and there is no guarantee those other players are one and done. These unflattering stories play into that theme.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2014, 11:04:57 AM »

leever

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 752
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2014, 12:19:46 PM »
I will take that action if you substitute Adam Silvers name for Stern...:)

Can I please get in on this?

Adam Silvers is never going to call Stone's name either.

Can someone hold the $200 in escrow?

mujivitz06

  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 311
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2014, 12:20:16 PM »
If Stone commits to MU, Scoopers are gonna be pulling 360s so hard someone might snap a neck.
Don't you mean a 180?

If someone does a 360 they end up in the same place they started.

GGGG

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 25207
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2014, 12:36:36 PM »
Hey here is what some people were saying about Nerlens Noel before he played at Kentucky.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2012/08/18/top-prospect-nerlens-noel-is-most-overrated-prospect-in-2012/

"Those who have been waiting for Noel to develop offensively were sorely disappointed during the Adidas Nations event that took place from August 2-6. Noel showed little development offensively or physically, where he is still skinny and can easily be pushed around. His points were restricted to putbacks off offensive rebounds or catch and dunk opportunities. He was also considerably outplayed by several centers at the event, including Isaiah Austin and Steven Adams."


This stuff happens every year. 

Tugg Speedman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8836
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2014, 01:32:12 PM »
Hey here is what some people were saying about Nerlens Noel before he played at Kentucky.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2012/08/18/top-prospect-nerlens-noel-is-most-overrated-prospect-in-2012/

"Those who have been waiting for Noel to develop offensively were sorely disappointed during the Adidas Nations event that took place from August 2-6. Noel showed little development offensively or physically, where he is still skinny and can easily be pushed around. His points were restricted to putbacks off offensive rebounds or catch and dunk opportunities. He was also considerably outplayed by several centers at the event, including Isaiah Austin and Steven Adams."

This stuff happens every year. 

Yes!

Again I'm the one posting the "unflattering" Stone articles not because he is bad or the second coming of Lloyd Moore.  Rather, that "it happens" and players have a bad stretch, which he seems to have had at some of these tournaments.  This does not change how good he is or his potential.

GGGG

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 25207
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2014, 01:33:45 PM »
Well to be intellectually honest, you should post the positive ones as well.

Tugg Speedman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8836
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2014, 01:35:13 PM »
Well to be intellectually honest, you should post the positive ones as well.

I did about 5 or 6 posts above.

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8467
Re: Another Unflattering Article About Diamond Stone
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2014, 03:33:41 PM »
Don't you mean a 180?

If someone does a 360 they end up in the same place they started.

Late, late show is starting now...