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Author Topic: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all  (Read 15994 times)

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2014, 09:09:57 PM »

Regarding 4K, my 1st question is what/how much programming material is available to watch in 4K? To this day there is not much even in 1080p. 

I'm confused on the latter part of your question.  There is a ton of stuff available in 1080p format.  Do you mean 1080p uncompressed content, like BluRay content?  If so, then you are correct.  TV distribution companies or even broadband enabled providers (Netflix, etc) are going to compress their signal or use an Adjusted Bit Rate delivery. 

As far as 4K, not much content now, but its coming.  Some of the television productions out there are already starting to shoot series in 4K because the cameras have come down so much in price.  As a result, they can still downconvert and provide it in HD, but it is there in native 4K for down the road.  TV content distributors (cable, satellite, telco) will start to deliver in end of this year or early next year most likely.  Limited content at first, because the bandwidth needed is very high.  Netflix has 4K right now, but it's only through Smart Televisions and only if you have a minimum 15.4Mbps download speed.  I do not know how much they are compressing their stream.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2014, 07:22:20 AM »
I'm confused on the latter part of your question.  There is a ton of stuff available in 1080p format.  Do you mean 1080p uncompressed content, like BluRay content?  If so, then you are correct.  TV distribution companies or even broadband enabled providers (Netflix, etc) are going to compress their signal or use an Adjusted Bit Rate delivery. 


yes, go uncompressed or go home! Why pay for a TV that gives a great 1080p or 4K picture and feed it a compressed signal? You might as well buy a 700hp car and only drive it under 3000rpm all the time.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2014, 09:30:11 AM »
yes, go uncompressed or go home! Why pay for a TV that gives a great 1080p or 4K picture and feed it a compressed signal? You might as well buy a 700hp car and only drive it under 3000rpm all the time.

It just won't happen, not for many years.  For cable and telco, too many things on the wire to provide uncompressed video and also allow for voice, data, and all the other video channels they are providing.  At least for now.  Unless compression gets better where they can reduce the sizes of other things without compromising quality (or improving quality of today).

Satellite could do it, but they would have to also kill off other channels or data services and from a monetary perspective, makes no sense.   That being said, as Dish and Directv ween off people from SD (both are providing HD and SD to customers) over the next few years, a tremendous amount of bandwidth is going to open up in the process.  In addition the launch of reverse LnB opens up more radio spectrum.  It will be curious to see how they use the bandwidth, to offer uncompressed video is an option, but is it financially prudent?  How many more customers do you get, or how many can you make stickier when current 1080p is good enough for most?  I suspect what will happen is they will provide more bits to the current broadcasts to make them better (less compressed), but we'll see.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2014, 10:10:54 AM »
3 big letters are going to eventually push people (certainly not all) to 4K in consumer.

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Company I work for helped coordinate an MLS game to be shot in 4K in 2013, we were given rights to keep content, and it blows away 1080. It's not a coincidence the NFL and it's broadcast partners are investing in 4K, and doing it quickly.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2014, 11:56:05 AM »
3 big letters are going to eventually push people (certainly not all) to 4K in consumer.

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Company I work for helped coordinate an MLS game to be shot in 4K in 2013, we were given rights to keep content, and it blows away 1080. It's not a coincidence the NFL and it's broadcast partners are investing in 4K, and doing it quickly.

True, though many others are as well.  CBS is shooting a ton of stuff in 4K right now, not just sports.  I have a buddy that shoots Wheel of Fortune, and even that is being shot in 4K now. 

I still think the size of the screen matters.  I've seen side by side 50" 4K vs 1080p and though there is a difference, it is small IMO.  You start getting into the 70"+ and some of the mega screens way bigger, and it is really beautiful.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2014, 04:21:10 PM »
True, though many others are as well.  CBS is shooting a ton of stuff in 4K right now, not just sports.  I have a buddy that shoots Wheel of Fortune, and even that is being shot in 4K now. 

I still think the size of the screen matters.  I've seen side by side 50" 4K vs 1080p and though there is a difference, it is small IMO.  You start getting into the 70"+ and some of the mega screens way bigger, and it is really beautiful.

Agree 100%, 70" and above is the sweet spot. We only had an 84" until we just came out with a 28". 98" this fall. The best feature of the 28" 4K is splitting the screen up or into thirds, and maintaining 1080 res in all zones.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2014, 07:31:13 PM »
Hey geeks,

What's the latest on best rules of thumb.. distance vs. TV size? Have seen diff suggestions over the years...

...and does 1080 vs. 4k change that measurably?

(PS - I mostly watch sports and non-fiction stuff.. none of that pansy breaking bread or throne wars)
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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2014, 07:03:00 AM »
Good question BeeJay. 'Bout time you did somethin' constructive 'round here, Chief.
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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2014, 08:37:42 AM »
It just won't happen, not for many years.  For cable and telco, too many things on the wire to provide uncompressed video and also allow for voice, data, and all the other video channels they are providing.  At least for now.  Unless compression gets better where they can reduce the sizes of other things without compromising quality (or improving quality of today).

Satellite could do it, but they would have to also kill off other channels or data services and from a monetary perspective, makes no sense.   That being said, as Dish and Directv ween off people from SD (both are providing HD and SD to customers) over the next few years, a tremendous amount of bandwidth is going to open up in the process.  In addition the launch of reverse LnB opens up more radio spectrum.  It will be curious to see how they use the bandwidth, to offer uncompressed video is an option, but is it financially prudent?  How many more customers do you get, or how many can you make stickier when current 1080p is good enough for most?  I suspect what will happen is they will provide more bits to the current broadcasts to make them better (less compressed), but we'll see.

Most people aren't going to buy 70" or larger screens because they can't fit that in their room. Most source material is compressed (all broadcast and streaming sources). How many are going to invest in a new TV under 70" just because it has 4K? Most will get a 4K set if and when their current TV dies kind of why I have a smart TV with 3D (that no one wants to watch).

I don't see much of a consumer market except the usual 'early adopters' buying 4K in the near term. Now if compressed 4K blows away compressed 1080p on Ma Kettles 36" Vizio then that changes the above somewhat.
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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2014, 08:49:49 AM »
Hey geeks,

What's the latest on best rules of thumb.. distance vs. TV size? Have seen diff suggestions over the years...

...and does 1080 vs. 4k change that measurably?

(PS - I mostly watch sports and non-fiction stuff.. none of that pansy breaking bread or throne wars)

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/television/ultra-hd-everything-you-need-to-know-about-4k-tv-1048954

How far should I sit from a 4K TV for the best picture?

4K Ultra HD is a much more intimate viewing experience than Full HD. In many respects, the best way to view 4K is analogous to the way we view films in a cinema. Old style cinemas were shoe-box shaped and most patrons sat typically 3-5 screen heights away, because that was the most comfortable viewing distance.
Contemporary cinemas are wider, and now the optimum viewing distance is 1.5 screen heights back. From this vantage point you can take in all the visual information that's available and comfortably fill your field of vision. Translated to the home, that makes the most comfortable distance to view a 65-inch 4K screen approx. 1.5m. Of course, in many homes that simply isn't practical. Consequently, a large 4K screen is probably best viewed at a distance of between 2-3m; time to rearrange your furniture?

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

Seems like for a house 4k doesn't make too much sense unless you're either a) buying a massive set. or b) don't care about sitting so uncomfortably close to the set that you can actually tell the difference.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2014, 08:26:10 PM »
Hey geeks,

What's the latest on best rules of thumb.. distance vs. TV size? Have seen diff suggestions over the years...

...and does 1080 vs. 4k change that measurably?

(PS - I mostly watch sports and non-fiction stuff.. none of that pansy breaking bread or throne wars)

I've never seen porn called "non-fiction" before.  Just more proof that the actors are really in love with each other.

How's the slo-mo porno pull in 4K?

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2014, 11:48:15 AM »
I've never seen porn called "non-fiction" before.  Just more proof that the actors are really in love with each other.

How's the slo-mo porno pull in 4K?

The use of actors who are not analogues of their characters doesn't preclude the work from being classified as non-fiction.  Demonstrations, documentaries and artistic displays are typically considered works of non-fiction.  "Porno" can be short for "pornography," which may or may not be non-fiction in nature, or it can be short for the "pornographic arts" which would be considered non-fiction.

That said, most porn is fictional in nature.  For example, if the opening scene shows a hot actress walking up to a guy and saying, "Hey Ziggy's Fry Boy... you're looking pretty hot, why don't you come back to my place" you know that's fiction.  But if said actress said "Hey Benny... would you mind watching my purse while I go bang this guy in the bathroom" that would be non-fiction.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2014, 12:10:10 PM »
We should probably start a separate Scoop Porno Thread... I would suspect that we have many Scoopers who could invaluably contribute to such a topic.  And since it's art (most of the time - that amateur stuff is pretty gray area, if you ask me), it carries a cultural and educational benefits unseen in threads such as "Why Can't We Recruit Bigs," "This Bubble Blows," "Problem With the Catholic 7" and "Hoping Texas Sucks."

Incidentally, if I ever end up producing porn, my first four titles will be "Recruiting the Big," "Blowing Bubbles," "Problem Catholic Girls, Part 7" and "Hope Sucks Texas."

Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2014, 12:14:40 PM »
We should probably start a separate Scoop Porno Thread... I would suspect that we have many Scoopers who could invaluably contribute to such a topic.  And since it's art (most of the time - that amateur stuff is pretty gray area, if you ask me), it carries a cultural and educational benefits unseen in threads such as "Why Can't We Recruit Bigs," "This Bubble Blows," "Problem With the Catholic 7" and "Hoping Texas Sucks."

Incidentally, if I ever end up producing porn, my first four titles will be "Recruiting the Big," "Blowing Bubbles," "Problem Catholic Girls, Part 7" and "Hope Sucks Texas."



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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2014, 12:30:21 PM »
Any of y'all frequent the Parkway?
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Re: Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all
« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2014, 12:53:48 PM »
One of my buds back in the early 80's was a cop downtown and would warn guys that if you parked your car in the lot by the Parkway and someone asked you for $5 to watch your car you better pay up because they knew you'd be gone for an hour or more leaving them plenty of time to smash and grab your stereo.

 

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