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College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« on: April 19, 2014, 08:06:41 AM »
The NBA and NCAA are talking about changing the rules.  See the highlighted part

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10803355/adam-silver-says-pushing-back-nba-age-limit-top-priority

Armed with majority support from owners and saying "we're ready to go," NBA commissioner Adam Silver made it clear that pushing back the league's age minimum to 20 is at the top of his priority list.

The league's owners hosted NCAA president Mark Emmert to discuss the issue as part of their annual two-day spring meeting this week. Any changes wouldn't be in place by next season because the league is waiting for the players' association to name an executive director before formally starting negotiations. But it's clear there's a growing momentum to force this occasionally divisive issue through soon, possibly in time for the 2016 draft.

Silver, who was presiding over his first board of governors meeting since taking over from former commissioner David Stern in February, said the league and the NCAA have discussed creating some programs and provisions to help players stay in college longer as part of a way to get the union to accept the changes.

When the league and the players' union signed the collective bargaining agreement in 2011, it was agreed that the current one-and-done college rule could be revised at any time. The players' union recently named Sacramento mayor and former NBA player Kevin Johnson to head a committee to name a new leader by the start of the 2014-15 season.

"If we're going to be successful in raising the age from 19 to 20, part and parcel in those negotiations goes to the treatment of players on those college campuses and closing the gap between what their scholarships cover and their expenses," Silver said. "We haven't looked specifically at creating a financial incentive for them to stay in college. That's been an option that has been raised over the years, but that's not something that is on the table right now."

In addition, Silver said Emmert and the team owners talked about other ways to potentially ease a player's transition from college to the NBA. This could include changes in officiating and game play, such as reducing the NCAA's shot clock, which is 35 seconds compared to the NBA's 24.


Some have suggested that players who must wait two years to enter the draft would be better off playing in other professional leagues such as the NBA Development League, which doesn't have an age limit, or going overseas.

"I'm reading and listening to college players and the other side saying development may be better outside the NBA or the environment isn't ideal in college," Silver said. "I think those are all things we have to look at."

Here are some other issues that came up at the meeting:

• Silver said owners discussed possible changes to the draft lottery and the current playoff system. There has been a growing sense of a need to change the way draft position is established to discourage teams from attempting to lose games to enhance draft or playoff spots.

Owners presented a number of options, including changing the odds, the so-called "wheel" that would rotate the No. 1 pick to all 30 teams over 30 years and a play-in tournament to determine draft order. But Silver said there was no consensus on which direction to take and that it will be studied by the league's competition committee at its annual summit over the summer. The owners did not discuss a timetable for potential changes.

NBA president Rod Thorn presented playoff seeding options and the idea of abolishing conferences when it comes to picking the 16 playoff teams. In 11 of the past 14 seasons, the ninth-best team in the Western Conference would've been a playoff team in the Eastern Conference. Silver has hinted recently he'd consider removing conference designations but said this was also headed to the competition committee for study.

Silver, however, is very influential with that committee. Last year, before he became commissioner, he was a driving force in getting the competition committee to change the NBA Finals format from a 2-3-2 format to 2-2-1-1-1. But it's hard to read exactly how hard Silver may push for making these potentially sweeping adjustments.

"These are issues that needed to be viewed in committee process," Silver said. "As travel becomes easier, it opens up windows of opportunity for change. The league is doing so well right now, I want to be very deliberate and cautious about making any changes."

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2014, 12:48:15 PM »
Please. Needs to happen.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2014, 12:50:55 PM »
I don't like it.   Only time for one ball reversal and then a pick and roll.    I enjoy the college game more than the pro game because the pro game is nothing but isolation anymore.   No thanks. 
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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2014, 12:53:37 PM »
Would like to see them shorten it to 30.  Happy medium.
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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2014, 01:04:58 PM »
Even the women's game has a 30 second shot clock!

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2014, 01:09:40 PM »
I don't like it.   Only time for one ball reversal and then a pick and roll.    I enjoy the college game more than the pro game because the pro game is nothing but isolation anymore.   No thanks. 

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2014, 01:10:54 PM »
I love it!

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2014, 04:03:50 PM »
Bo Ryan's head would explode.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2014, 06:46:08 PM »
I'm against anything that brings the college game closer to the pro game.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2014, 08:50:27 PM »
I'm against anything that brings the college game closer to the pro game.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2014, 08:54:13 PM »
I'm against anything that brings the college game closer to the pro game.

This just about sums it up.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2014, 10:19:19 PM »
30 would be nice.  24 would be worse than 35.  24 would be worse than 50.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2014, 10:40:34 PM »
College basketball would be more enjoyable to watch with the 24 second shot clock

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2014, 11:31:45 PM »
The effects of a 24 second shot clock in College Basketball

1.  Rushed shots - Shooting %'s will dwindle as teams will be forced to take abbreviated shots rather than work their offense.  Teams like Virginia and Wisconsin will be hurt the most as they cannot dictate fewer possessions.  Shooting efficiency's weight, in the outcome of games, will lower.  Do we really want to see a game become even uglier?  If I'm not mistaken, shooting percentages are down overall for the last 2 years already.  A further decline will eat away at the entertainment value of games. 

2.  Balance of Power is Shifted - Teams that feature big men who can rebound well, will benefit much more.  As more shots are put up in games due to an increase in possessions, teams that rebound well will have a net gain, exponentially, in overall possessions for the entire game. 

3.  Why do we need a 24 second shot clock?  Why ruin something that is as great as college basketball?  Adding 4 teams to the NCAA tournament was more than enough change as well as pushing out the 3pt line. 

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2014, 11:56:02 PM »
The effects of a 24 second shot clock in College Basketball

1.  Rushed shots - Shooting %'s will dwindle as teams will be forced to take abbreviated shots rather than work their offense.  Teams like Virginia and Wisconsin will be hurt the most as they cannot dictate fewer possessions.  Shooting efficiency's weight, in the outcome of games, will lower.  Do we really want to see a game become even uglier?  If I'm not mistaken, shooting percentages are down overall for the last 2 years already.  A further decline will eat away at the entertainment value of games. 

2.  Balance of Power is Shifted - Teams that feature big men who can rebound well, will benefit much more.  As more shots are put up in games due to an increase in possessions, teams that rebound well will have a net gain, exponentially, in overall possessions for the entire game. 

3.  Why do we need a 24 second shot clock?  Why ruin something that is as great as college basketball?  Adding 4 teams to the NCAA tournament was more than enough change as well as pushing out the 3pt line. 

Your first point isnt totally correct as uw played this summer with the international rules and after a few games they adjusted and did fine. 

Your other points i also disagree with. Teams will adjust when rules change. I dont follow the NBA but i dont think changing the shot clock will ruin the game.  The fact that international and the WOMEN's league plays with a shorter shot clock should be enough evidence that it wont ruin college basketball.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2014, 08:49:44 AM »
I'm against anything that brings the college game closer to the pro game.


I spent most of the weekend watching the NBA playoffs, and I have to admit, I can't figure out why anyone thinks the college game is better.  Now I think that doesn't have much to do with the shot clock.  It's just nice to see the game sped up with players that can actually...you know...shoot the ball. 

That being said, I think moving the shot clock down to 30 would be just fine.

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Re: College Shot Clock Going To 24 Seconds?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2014, 09:00:20 AM »

I spent most of the weekend watching the NBA playoffs, and I have to admit, I can't figure out why anyone thinks the college game is better.  Now I think that doesn't have much to do with the shot clock.  It's just nice to see the game sped up with players that can actually...you know...shoot the ball. 

That being said, I think moving the shot clock down to 30 would be just fine.

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Th quality of NBA players doesn't compare to college players.  Today, the shot clock allows different styles in college hoops to win.  Slow down play, run and gun, etc, etc.  If you speed up the clock, you take away another approach on how to play the game differently.  As you limit time, more and more teams have to conform to play a certain style.

I like that college basketball offers a variety of ways to win, even a team that doen't have the size or the athleticism can conceivably win games by slowing it down, milking the clock, reducing the number of possessions in a game.  Reduction of the shot clock makes it more and more difficult for those teams to win.

 

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