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Jerel McNeal
« on: February 17, 2014, 10:12:07 PM »
When will Jerel McNeal's jersey be retired?

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2014, 10:23:01 PM »
When will Jerel McNeal's jersey be retired?

When he logs an official minute in the NBA.
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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2014, 10:41:25 PM »
So playing in the NBA is part of your college jersey being retired?

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 10:54:02 PM »
So playing in the NBA is part of your college jersey being retired?

No, he's just teasing you

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2014, 10:57:18 PM »
Does anyone know what the requirements are?

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2014, 10:58:18 PM »
I don't think he deserves to get it retired.  I appreciate everything he did but I mean he never lead us beyond the round of 32. He hasn't logged a minute in the NBA yet and so I just think he'll go down as an MU great but doesn't belong in the retired jerseys community  
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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 11:05:04 PM »
You do know he's Marquette's all-time scoring and steals leader right?

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2014, 11:12:12 PM »
I don't think he deserves to get it retired.  I appreciate everything he did but I mean he never lead us beyond the round of 32. He hasn't logged a minute in the NBA yet and so I just think he'll go down as an MU great but doesn't belong in the retired jerseys community  

All-time leading scorer...he'll get it retired.  Top 10 in several categories. 

Doc Rivers didn't lead us beyond the round of 32 either, but his number is retired.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 11:12:56 PM »
I am constantly conflicted on who, if any of the recent MU greats (other than D Wade of course, who was deserving) should get their jerseys retired. At the end of the day I'm not sure anyone else from either Crean-Buzz years deserves it yet. It really should remain exclusive, to All American caliber players. The All time scoring leader is important, but not as important as it sounds. The really great players leave early. And many former MU greats did not play their freshman year. Between Diener, Novak, Jerel, Wes, Dominic, Lazar, Jimmy, Jae and DJO I'd say they are all about equal. Great college players but none jump out at me as a D Wade caliber guy who should hang in the rafters.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 11:16:38 PM »
I don't see it happening in the next 25 years.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 11:17:25 PM »
Jerel was also an All-American.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 11:19:57 PM »
Jerel was also an All-American.

I meant first team. But point taken

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 11:24:36 PM »
I don't see it happening in the next 25 years.

If a few guys pass him up scoring, you might be right, but the longer he holds that title, the pressure to retire will surface.  I don't know if he earned his degree, if he didn't that would help as well.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 11:25:46 PM »
That's why I asked what exactly are the requirements.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 11:26:51 PM »
That's why I asked what exactly are the requirements.

No official requirements as far as I know

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 11:30:05 PM »
Graduating used to be a requirement, but it's not anymore.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 11:38:01 PM »
I am constantly conflicted on who, if any of the recent MU greats (other than D Wade of course, who was deserving) should get their jerseys retired.

Not Jerel. I don't think he was the best player on that MU team, even though he dominated the offense for a couple of years. He was not an all time great, IMO. He could have been one of the best all time defenders, but he seemed to concentrate less on that aspect of his game as his career progressed. Dom was the best on ball defender on that team in their senior season, and Wes was the better offensive player.


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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 11:43:55 PM »
It is pretty cool that the Big 3 all finished in the top 10 in scoring.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 11:52:56 PM »
Here would be the argument for

All time leading scorer
All time FGs made
All time leader in games played (still the case?)
All time leader in steals
7th all time in assists
Big East Defensive Player of the Year
All Big East Team four years - only player in Marquette history to do this I believe
2nd Team All American
District 5 Player of the Year
Four time NCAA tournament participant

Those that believe he doesn't deserve it would argue he got the points because he started from his freshman year on, shot too much, didn't get the NCAA wins


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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2014, 11:54:07 PM »
It is pretty cool that the Big 3 all finished in the top 10 in scoring.

Speaks to the lack of back court talent on the team when they came in ans freshmen. That recruiting class saved Crean's career, and I'm not even one of the regular Crean bashers.

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2014, 11:55:52 PM »
Speaks to the lack of back court talent on the team when they came in ans freshmen. That recruiting class saved Crean's career, and I'm not even one of the regular Crean bashers.

What I wouldn't do for a backcourt like that now...oh to dream

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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2014, 11:56:47 PM »
Here would be the argument for

All time leading scorer
All time FGs made
All time leader in games played
#2 in steals all-time
7th all time in assists
Big East Defensive Player of the Year
All Big East Team four years - only player in Marquette history to do this I believe
2nd Team All American
District 5 Player of the Year


Those that believe he doesn't deserve it would argue he got the points because he started from his freshman year on, shot too much, didn't get the NCAA wins


Four time NCAA tournament participant


I thought Lazar passed Jerel on most games played
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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2014, 11:57:59 PM »
ChicosBailBonds he's actually #1 in steals as well. You're entitled to your opinion MUSF, but Jerel is statisically the best player from that team. He is also the most decorated.

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2014, 11:58:54 PM »
ChicosBailBonds he's actually #1 in steals as well. You're entitled to your opinion MUSF, but Jerel is statisically the best player from that team. He is also the most decorated.

My bad, I'll correct it.


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Re: Jerel McNeal
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2014, 12:12:49 AM »
You're entitled to your opinion MUSF, but Jerel is statisically the best player from that team. He is also the most decorated.

Are you considering any advanced stats, efficiency etc? I haven't looked it up, but I'd be curious to see a comparison in something other than points, steals, FGs made. All of those can be very misleading.

He is certainly the most decorated player of that group, but in my subjective opinion, he was the second best player and third most important in his final season.