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Author Topic: Washington Redskins change their name  (Read 135648 times)

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #425 on: September 30, 2014, 03:47:08 PM »

Because there is always someone outraged about something.  Why would PETA ask us to stop eating meat?  Why would NOW be outraged the last few weeks but asleep at the wheel in the 1990's?  Why would the AMA support a certain person's healthcare plan, but majority of doctors don't (despite the AMA being the organization that represents doctors). 

All kinds of reasons.


Those that are upset, I suggest they use UPS only.

great, now a jab at unions

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #426 on: September 30, 2014, 03:52:28 PM »

Because there is always someone outraged about something.  Why would PETA ask us to stop eating meat?  Why would NOW be outraged the last few weeks but asleep at the wheel in the 1990's?  Why would the AMA support a certain person's healthcare plan, but majority of doctors don't (despite the AMA being the organization that represents doctors). 

All kinds of reasons.


Those that are upset, I suggest they use UPS only.

But you said Natives view it as a sign of respect. I am confused.

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #427 on: September 30, 2014, 04:25:12 PM »
Glad my shareholder vote counted....along with the other 99.9% of us


http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2014/09/30/99-9-of-fedex-shareholders-ok-with-redskins.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+industry_11+%28Industry+Sports%29

Surveys mean nothing.

I won't pay attention to them until they agree with what I want, and then I will constantly research them and post them on the internet to support my argument.

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #428 on: September 30, 2014, 05:38:41 PM »
Glad my shareholder vote counted....along with the other 99.9% of us


http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2014/09/30/99-9-of-fedex-shareholders-ok-with-redskins.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+industry_11+%28Industry+Sports%29



Yes, and in the 1700s, the founding fathers decided that African Americans only counted as 3/5s of a person.

Because a bunch of mostly white shareholders think something is right doesn't mean that it is. Just like we look at the 3/5 compromise as an example of conventionalized racism from the 1700s, future generations will look at the Redskins as an example of conventionalized racism from the early 21st century.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 05:57:21 PM by TAMU Ellenson »
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #429 on: September 30, 2014, 05:49:24 PM »
I wonder what the over/under is on the number of Chicos posts - just in this one thread. My guess would be 120.

Why is he allowed to hijack thread after thread just to satisfy his god complex. Am I the only one who is tired of this?

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #430 on: September 30, 2014, 05:57:47 PM »
I wonder what the over/under is on the number of Chicos posts - just in this one thread. My guess would be 120.

Why is he allowed to hijack thread after thread just to satisfy his god complex. Am I the only one who is tired of this?

I'm ok with this one, he at least stays on topic here.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #431 on: September 30, 2014, 05:59:28 PM »

Because there is always someone outraged about something.  Why would PETA ask us to stop eating meat?  Why would NOW be outraged the last few weeks but asleep at the wheel in the 1990's?  Why would the AMA support a certain person's healthcare plan, but majority of doctors don't (despite the AMA being the organization that represents doctors). 

Why are you outraged by people being outraged? People have the right to feel and express their outrage, just like you are doing now.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #432 on: October 01, 2014, 12:09:32 AM »
But you said Natives view it as a sign of respect. I am confused.

Seems a symptom you come down with often.   ;D


I said some Native Americans.  I provided polls, provided letters, provided statements, provided  videos.  Some Native Americans.


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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #433 on: October 01, 2014, 12:10:58 AM »
Yes, and in the 1700s, the founding fathers decided that African Americans only counted as 3/5s of a person.

Because a bunch of mostly white shareholders think something is right doesn't mean that it is. Just like we look at the 3/5 compromise as an example of conventionalized racism from the 1700s, future generations will look at the Redskins as an example of conventionalized racism from the early 21st century.

Godwin's Law 2.0....congratulations


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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #434 on: October 01, 2014, 12:19:10 AM »
I'm ok with this one, he at least stays on topic here.

Consider it a source of information that doesn't feed into your confirmation bias that you guys normally get.  Refreshing to break out of your bubble every once in a while.  Jon Stewart, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and  Rachel can't do all your thinking for you.   ;)

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #435 on: October 01, 2014, 12:20:29 AM »
Surveys mean nothing.

I won't pay attention to them until they agree with what I want, and then I will constantly research them and post them on the internet to support my argument.


On this subject, just about every survey supports my position.....much like the surveys about a lot of others things currently going on or reflective of the dolts running the show.  I'm feeling pretty mainstream right now.   ;)

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #436 on: October 01, 2014, 01:24:25 AM »
Consider it a source of information that doesn't feed into your confirmation bias that you guys normally get.  Refreshing to break out of your bubble every once in a while.  Jon Stewart, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and  Rachel can't do all your thinking for you.   ;)

And here is where you go from having a dialogue to making petty attacks. Please don't play into your own stereotype. Yes, the phrasing was intentional
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #437 on: October 01, 2014, 05:18:51 AM »
And here is where you go from having a dialogue to making petty attacks. Please don't play into your own stereotype. Yes, the phrasing was intentional
Hypocrite, you make a statement about him dripping with sarcasm and are then offended when Chico's responds in kind. You guys are comical, having your little cat fights while everyone else in the room is rolling their eyes.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #438 on: October 01, 2014, 08:47:11 AM »
Consider it a source of information that doesn't feed into your confirmation bias that you guys normally get.  Refreshing to break out of your bubble every once in a while.  Jon Stewart, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and  Rachel can't do all your thinking for you.   ;)

I actually listen to conservative talk radio almost every day (I spend 2-3 hours in my car commuting everyday)....Jay Weber in the morning, Belling and Hannity at night. Usually its for laughs, but once in a while I get a legitimate perspective I hadn't imagined before.

That said, history will judge you as dead wrong on this issue.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #439 on: October 01, 2014, 09:41:55 AM »
Yes, and in the 1700s, the founding fathers decided that African Americans only counted as 3/5s of a person.

Because a bunch of mostly white shareholders think something is right doesn't mean that it is. Just like we look at the 3/5 compromise as an example of conventionalized racism from the 1700s, future generations will look at the Redskins as an example of conventionalized racism from the early 21st century.

Let's be honest here.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #440 on: October 01, 2014, 09:43:36 AM »


That said, history will judge you as dead wrong on this issue.

+10,000. As much as Chico likes to mock "outrage" it was at the core of this country's founding and the basis for all the progress made here on every human rights issue. The messes we have to clean up to make a more perfect union are smaller and sometimes more nuanced than slavery, voting rights for women, anti sodomy laws, etc., but that doesn't mean they're not messes.

History will definitely conclude (and sooner than most think) that using a racial slur for a team nickname is wrong. As hard as it is for most people today to imagine that majorities in this country once endorsed slavery, non citizenship for women and homosexuality as a mental disease, so will it be hard for generations to come to imagine anything short of a small, bigoted group backing the use of "redskins".


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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #441 on: October 01, 2014, 09:45:06 AM »
Godwin's Law 2.0....congratulations



You do not know what Godwin's Law is, but go have fun supporting the use of a racial epithet.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #442 on: October 01, 2014, 09:46:10 AM »
+10,000. As much as Chico likes to mock "outrage" it was at the core of this country's founding and the basis for all the progress made here on every human rights issue. The messes we have to clean up to make a more perfect union are smaller and sometimes more nuanced than slavery, voting rights for women, anti sodomy laws, etc., but that doesn't mean they're not messes.

History will definitely conclude (and sooner than most think) that using a racial slur for a team nickname is wrong. As hard as it is for most people today to imagine that majorities in this country once endorsed slavery, non citizenship for women and homosexuality as a mental disease, so will it be hard for generations to come to imagine anything short of a small, bigoted group backing the use of "redskins".


Colorado's AP History class would like a word with you.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #443 on: October 01, 2014, 10:12:40 AM »
Colorado's AP History class would like a word with you.

   That's because most history taught today begins with the Civil Rights movement and not the story of this countries founding and principles. It mostly is a tirade against Europeans ignoring the fact that this is the most welcoming country in the universe. I have read the books our kids get these days and attended lectures by the "teachers" who spew this propaganda.

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #444 on: October 01, 2014, 10:36:29 AM »
   That's because most history taught today begins with the Civil Rights movement and not the story of this countries founding and principles. It mostly is a tirade against Europeans ignoring the fact that this is the most welcoming country in the universe. I have read the books our kids get these days and attended lectures by the "teachers" who spew this propaganda.

I don't understand why people view this as an either/or proposition. The country's founding and its principles should absolutely be celebrated, and our missteps should be looked at in the context of the times - but there were missteps. They belong in the history books too.

I'm generally very bullish on the USA both past and present - think we've been mostly both lucky and good. But I think part of that goodness is a striving to always be better.

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #445 on: October 01, 2014, 10:59:12 AM »
Colorado's AP History class would like a word with you.


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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #446 on: October 01, 2014, 11:11:40 AM »
I don't understand why people view this as an either/or proposition. The country's founding and its principles should absolutely be celebrated, and our missteps should be looked at in the context of the times - but there were missteps. They belong in the history books too.

I'm generally very bullish on the USA both past and present - think we've been mostly both lucky and good. But I think part of that goodness is a striving to always be better.

  Couldn't agree more. It just seems that the emphasis is on how bad we are.

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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #447 on: October 01, 2014, 11:17:29 AM »
   That's because most history taught today begins with the Civil Rights movement and not the story of this countries founding and principles. It mostly is a tirade against Europeans ignoring the fact that this is the most welcoming country in the universe. I have read the books our kids get these days and attended lectures by the "teachers" who spew this propaganda.

I don't know where your kids went to school, but my kids learned American history starting far earlier than that.  They learned about the Trail of Tears, Revolution, Civil War, etc. 

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« Reply #448 on: October 01, 2014, 11:32:01 AM »
Hypocrite, you make a statement about him dripping with sarcasm and are then offended when Chico's responds in kind. You guys are comical, having your little cat fights while everyone else in the room is rolling their eyes.

Can you please point this post out to me? Cause I feel that I have been nothing but cordial in this discussion.

This isn't a cat fight. Or at least it doesn't have to be. I continue to engage in this dialogue because I think it is an important topic in modern day society. I'm glad to have people like Chicos who care enough to be willing to discuss it. These things need to be discussed out in the open, that's how we can make progress. Sweeping it under the rug (e.g. the Warriors switch), just leads to resentment and allows old wounds to fester.
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Re: Washington Redskins change their name
« Reply #449 on: October 01, 2014, 11:37:03 AM »
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24732614/fcc-will-consider-petition-to-ban-redskins-nickname-from-airwaves

How are they going to accomplish this?  Announcers still today call Marquette the Warriors from time to time.  I doubt it will ever stop. Are they going to beep out on a delay every time an announcer says "Redskins"?

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