MU BB Attendance 2011/2012 ... 13th in the Nation, 3rd in BE

[Tugg Speedman]

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012/2012+ncaa+mens+basketball+attendance

I believe this is the 11th year in a row that MU is the only non-football team in the top 20.

Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Kentucky 18 426,978 23,721
2. Syracuse 19 448,736 23,618
3. Louisville 20 430,052 21,503
4. North Carolina 18 362,867 20,159
5. Wisconsin 18 309,255 17,181
6. Creighton 16 266,632 16,665
7. Tennessee 19 314,321 16,543
8. Ohio St. 20 330,210 16,511
9. Indiana 19 312,770 16,462
10. Kansas 17 279,557 16,445
11. Memphis 20 324,670 16,234
12. BYU 16 246,777 15,424
13. Marquette 16 242,205 15,138
14. Illinois 18 269,739 14,986
15. Michigan St. 18 266,346 14,797
16. New Mexico 16 231,262 14,454
17. UNLV 19 266,469 14,025
18. Vanderbilt 18 246,561 13,698
19. Arizona 18 244,829 13,602
20. North Carolina St. 19 257,638 13,560
21. Purdue 17 226,504 13,324
22. Maryland 17 224,090 13,182
23. Arkansas 21 275,020 13,096
24. Iowa St. 18 234,266 13,015
25. Kansas St. 16 204,527 12,783
26. Connecticut 17 214,873 12,640

[79Warrior]

For those dissing Creighton as a possible conference foe on other threads, take a look at where they are ranked.

[DFW HOYA]

Creighton's only a conference foe if MU wants to join the Valley.

Nonetheless, congrats on another solid season at Bradley Center.

[MUUWUWM]

Creighton has football?

[Dawson Rental]

For those dissing Creighton as a possible conference foe on other threads, take a look at where they are ranked.

Creighton's rank is very impressive.  When you're talking about conference affiliation the question is - will it translate into TV revenue?  Probably not outside of Nebraska which isn't much.  An interesting note is that Creighton had the largest attendance increase of any school this year; 3,150+.  I guess Nebraska football and Creighton basketball are what passes for pro sports in Nebraska with their terrific fan support.

Marquette while ranked 13th in average attendance, was ranked tenth in total attendance.  This is what you get with "buy" games.  Lower attendance which hurts your average attendance, but extra butts in the seats overall to help keep the program fiscally healthy.  In total attendance, Creighton drops to 18th.

St. Louis U. used to be a top fifteen team, but now they are back in the sixties just ahead of DePaul.  A fair warning of what can happen when the administration lets backing for the program slip.  

[Dawson Rental]

Creighton has football?

They dropped football after 1942.  I guess that the Missouri Valley is another "hybrid" football member and basketball only member conference.

[MU82]

Wait ... Indiana has football?

[Dawson Rental]

Wait ... Indiana has football?

Well, they own a football.

[Tugg Speedman]

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=30382.msg354813;topicseen#msg354813

 ... However it is interesting to note that [Creighton] students get free admission to every game for all sports.

[Tugg Speedman]

They dropped football after 1942.  I guess that the Missouri Valley is another "hybrid" football member and basketball only member conference.

Yes, I assumed that all schools in the Missouri Valley had football.

I looked it up ... MU's combined attendance since 1988 (when the BC was opened) is now over 4.5 million and over that stretch MU is the only non-football school in the top 20 of attendance.  The source is Mike Kelley during a MU broadcast.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=11536.0

[79Warrior]

Creighton's rank is very impressive.  When you're talking about conference affiliation the question is - will it translate into TV revenue?  Probably not outside of Nebraska which isn't much.  An interesting note is that Creighton had the largest attendance increase of any school this year; 3,150+.  I guess Nebraska football and Creighton basketball are what passes for pro sports in Nebraska with their terrific fan support.

Marquette while ranked 13th in average attendance, was ranked tenth in total attendance.  This is what you get with "buy" games.  Lower attendance which hurts your average attendance, but extra butts in the seats overall to help keep the program fiscally healthy.  In total attendance, Creighton drops to 18th.

St. Louis U. used to be a top fifteen team, but now they are back in the sixties just ahead of DePaul.  A fair warning of what can happen when the administration lets backing for the program slip.  

Just curious, is Milwaukee that much better a TV market than Omaha?

[Tugg Speedman]

Top 100 TV markets in order

Milwaukee 35 and Omaha 76.

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Rank        Metropolitan Market Regions / Areas
1    New York
2    Los Angeles
3    Chicago
4    Philadelphia
5    Dallas-Ft. Worth
6    San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
7    Boston
8    Atlanta
9    Washington, DC
10    Houston
11    Detroit
12    Phoenix
13    Tampa-St. Petersburg
14    Seattle-Tacoma
15    Minneapolis-St. Paul
16    Miami-Ft.Lauderdale
17    Cleveland-Akron
18    Denver
19    Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
20    Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
21    St. Louis
22    Portland, OR
23    Pittsburgh
24    Charlotte, NC
25    Indianapolis
26    Baltimore
27    Raleigh-Durham
28    San Diego
29    Nashville
30    Hartford-New Haven
31    Kansas City
32    Columbus, OH
33    Salt Lake City
34    Cincinnati
35    Milwaukee
36    Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
37    San Antonio
38    West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
39    Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
40    Birmingham
41    Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
42    Las Vegas
43    Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
44    Albuquerque-Santa Fe
45    Oklahoma City
46    Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem
47    Jacksonville, FL
48    Memphis
49    Austin
50    Louisville
51    Buffalo
52    Providence-New Bedford
53    New Orleans
54    Wilkes Barre-Scranton
55    Fresno-Visalia
56    Little Rock-Pine Bluff
57    Albany-Schenectady-Troy
58    Richmond-Petersburg
59    Knoxville
60    Mobile-Pensacola
61    Tulsa
62    Ft. Myers-Naples
63    Lexington
64    Dayton
65    Charleston-Huntington
66    Flint-Saginaw-Bay City
67    Roanoke-Lynchburg
68    Tucson
69    Wichita-Hutchinson
70    Green Bay-Appleton
71    Des Moines-Ames
72    Honolulu
73    Toledo
74    Springfield, MO
75    Spokane
76    Omaha
77    Portland-Auburn
78    Paducah-Cape Girardeau-Harrisburg
79    Columbia, SC
80    Rochester, NY
81    Syracuse
82    Huntsville-Decatur
83    Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
84    Shreveport
85    Madison
86    Chattanooga
87    Harlingen-Weslaco-Brownsville-McAllen
88    Cedar Rapids-Waterloo-Iowa City-Dubuque
89    South Bend-Elkhart
90    Jackson, MS
91    Colorado Springs-Pueblo
92    Tri-Cities, TN-NC-VA
93    Burlington-Plattsburgh
94    Waco-Temple-Bryan
95    Baton Rouge
96    Savannah
97    Davenport-Rock Island-Moline
98    El Paso
99    Charleston, SC
100    Ft. Smith-Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers

[Dawson Rental]

St. Louis at number 21.  Something to remember if a new league has to be formed.  Dayton at 64th is also a better TV market than Omaha.

[4everwarriors]

For those dissing Creighton as a possible conference foe on other threads, take a look at where they are ranked.

Not much more to do in Omaha than in Erie PA.

[4everwarriors]

Wait ... Indiana has football?

Waitin' on Crean to pony up another pledge.

[Tugg Speedman]

St. Louis at number 21.  Something to remember if a new league has to be formed.  Dayton at 64th is also a better TV market than Omaha.

How much do TV Markets really matter?  The two smallest TV markets in the Big East are South Bend (89) and Syracuse (81).  You think ND is sweating it will get kicked out of the BE?  You think Syracuse was twisting arms to get into the ACC because of its TV market?

Similarly, the smallest TV markets in the Big 10 are Iowa city (88) and Madison (85).  Are Iowa or UW worried about their viability?

[77ncaachamps]

All the High Major Programs have more than 16 scheduled games.

Not surprised as it generates more revenue.

[Dawson Rental]

How much do TV Markets really matter?  The two smallest TV markets in the Big East are South Bend (89) and Syracuse (81).  You think ND is sweating it will get kicked out of the BE?  You think Syracuse was twisting arms to get into the ACC because of its TV market?

Similarly, the smallest TV markets in the Big 10 are Iowa city (88) and Madison (85).  Are Iowa or UW worried about their viability?

So, do you really think that NBC gives the Irish their own TV deal to gain access to that all important South Bend TV market?  ND is what is called a national brand which means putting ND on TV gets you eyeballs all over the county from their national alumni base, and even more from their large national Catholic following.  Probably a majority of Catholic University grads who didn't go to Boston College are ND football fans.  There is also a considerable bleed off to ND basketball fandom, as well.

Are you saying that no one in Wisconsin outside of Madison follows the Badgers?  I didn't think so.  So then how can you use just the Madison TV market when evaluating Wisconsin's desirability or Iowas City's when evaluating Iowa's TV potential?  You can't.  Some schools have a mostly local following, some have a state wide following, and some very small in number school have a truly national following.  TV executives know whose who, and if you think about any particular school its not really that hard to figure out where it stands, if you're any kind of collegiate sports fan.  For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network.

[Tugg Speedman]

So, do you really think that NBC gives the Irish their own TV deal to gain access to that all important South Bend TV market?  ND is what is called a national brand which means putting ND on TV gets you eyeballs all over the county from their national alumni base, and even more from their large national Catholic following.  Probably a majority of Catholic University grads who didn't go to Boston College are ND football fans.  There is also a considerable bleed off to ND basketball fandom, as well.

Are you saying that no one in Wisconsin outside of Madison follows the Badgers?  I didn't think so.  So then how can you use just the Madison TV market when evaluating Wisconsin's desirability or Iowas City's when evaluating Iowa's TV potential?  You can't.  Some schools have a mostly local following, some have a state wide following, and some very small in number school have a truly national following.  TV executives know whose who, and if you think about any particular school its not really that hard to figure out where it stands, if you're any kind of collegiate sports fan.  For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network.

LM, I was trying to make the same point as you in this post.

And this post disagrees with your previous post that TV market should be considered when forming a new conference. 

So does it matter or not?

I do not think it does.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

LM, I was trying to make the same point as you in this post.

And this post disagrees with your previous post that TV market should be considered when forming a new conference. 

So does it matter or not?

I do not think it does.

I think it *might* matter for 2nd tier schools, like MU.

The large state schools are always going to have a huge following. The popular private schools are going to have a loyal following as well (Duke, ND).

For the 2nd tier state schools (Cincinnati) and private schools (MU), I think media market does make them more attractive than say Creighton, or Ohio University.

It's not a slam dunk, but it can be a factor because of the ad dollars available and potential for growth in larger markets.

[Dawson Rental]

LM, I was trying to make the same point as you in this post.

And this post disagrees with your previous post that TV market should be considered when forming a new conference. 

So does it matter or not?

I do not think it does.

I don't believe that I was changing my opinion at all on the value of the local TV market in making most schools attractive to TV networks, and by extension to a conference.  Here again is the last sentence of my post.

"For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network."

[Tugg Speedman]

I don't believe that I was changing my opinion at all on the value of the local TV market in making most schools attractive to TV networks, and by extension to a conference.  Here again is the last sentence of my post.

"For the "local" schools which is the majority of schools, the local TV market is very key in figuring out that schools potential attractiveness to a TV network."

I think we are saying the same thing.  For the "big schools" in the conference, those that are ranked and/or with a national following, it does not matter what TV market they are in.  When trying to round out a conference with bottom tier teams, the TV market may matter.  This is why Depaul will always have a welcome Matt for them in any realignment.  If Creighton's program was the same as Depaul over the last 10 years, no welcome Matt.

Does that sum up your opinion? I agree with this.

(I would put MU in the top tier.  They will be desired because of the strength of the program and not because of the Milwaukee TV market's strength or weaknesses.)

[warthog-driver]

Wait ... Indiana has football?

Not really but they hired Jack harbaugh, football coach emeritus.