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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2008, 10:07:36 AM »
Injuries happen but when 25% of your team suffer from stress injuries in a two week span that's not good.

Taking into account what's occurred over the last fortnight, and that we have two highly rated recruits coming in with already serious injuries to their ankles, maybe we could tweak the intensity of the boot camp next September. Just an idea.

With all the dramatics in this program it feels like the games themselves are afterthoughts. Has any recent opening game been overshadowed like Houston Baptist tonight?

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2008, 10:07:55 AM »
UGH,
This sucks, hopefully Chris, Joe, and Liam can all get healthy and back on track.  

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2008, 10:23:58 AM »
That five guard lineup Buzz was talking about might be an inevitable reality.

Is it just a coincidence that three of the four newcomers are missing significant time with injuries?  Probably, but besides the relatively minor achilles issue with Cubillan all of the veterans have stayed relatively healthy. (hopefully that wasn't a jinx)
« Last Edit: November 14, 2008, 10:32:24 AM by chapman »

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2008, 10:28:49 AM »
"Boot camp" may now take on a whole new meaning.
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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2008, 10:31:52 AM »
If this in fact another foot problem than this is definitely not a coincidence.  Buzz will need to make changes to his pre-season workout.

Any yes we do need to over react.  The last time we were severely short-handed at a position was PG when Diener went down and we all know how that turned out.  This is no where near as devastating but there is a real good chance we end up having 3 or 4 losses heading into our brutal conference schedule with the loss of Fulce (our backup 3/4) and Otule (our back up 5) with not much behind them.  

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2008, 10:32:56 AM »
If this in fact another foot problem than this is definitely not a coincidence.  Buzz will need to make changes to his pre-season workout.

Any yes we do need to over react.  The last time we were severely short-handed at a position was PG when Diener went down and we all know how that turned out.  This is no where near as devastating but there is a real good chance we end up having 3 or 4 losses heading into our brutal conference schedule with the loss of Fulce (our backup 3/4) and Otule (our back up 5) with not much behind them.  

Difference that team wasn't even close to as talented as this team.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2008, 10:44:01 AM »
If this in fact another foot problem than this is definitely not a coincidence.  Buzz will need to make changes to his pre-season workout.

Any yes we do need to over react.  The last time we were severely short-handed at a position was PG when Diener went down and we all know how that turned out.  This is no where near as devastating but there is a real good chance we end up having 3 or 4 losses heading into our brutal conference schedule with the loss of Fulce (our backup 3/4) and Otule (our back up 5) with not much behind them.  

You are right that the Diener lsot crippled us, but you still overestimate the importance of Fulce and Otule in this manner. That year not only did we lose our best player, we lost the best player who plays the msot important player on the floor, we lost the team leader, and we lost our best scorer. The importance of Diener during those years ranked up there with any player ever to come through Marquette. Losing two back-ups on a team with plenty of leadership and scoring is a lot easier to handle, swing men are pretty easy to find, and College ball is a guards game where size is a luxury, so what if we don't have the bose sound system in the Lexus, we only listen to sports talk radio anyway. But if everyone hear was counting on Otule and Fulce to be big parts of what MU does this year, you were already deluding yourselves.
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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2008, 10:51:02 AM »
But if everyone hear was counting on Otule and Fulce to be big parts of what MU does this year, you were already deluding yourselves.

All reports are that the coaching staff was counting on these guys.  Fulce was in play as a 6th or 7th man, and even yesterday the coaching staff was hyping up Otule.

Take it further.  Does the team even have enough players to run a fullcourt 5 on 5 game in practice?

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2008, 10:54:35 AM »
Take it further.  Does the team even have enough players to run a fullcourt 5 on 5 game in practice?

Nope.  And depending upon how Cubillan and Wes are feeling, they may not have enough to do 4 on 4 either.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2008, 10:57:18 AM »
Well then I believe how Marquette handles this type of adversity will be a microcosm for the entire season. If they are able to get through with only one loss and these young men come back and play well, then a sweet 16 and top 4 BEast finish is in their future. If they do not, then maybe everyone starts questioning the Buzz and Cottington hires, Marquette becomes the team Pat Forde predicts will have the "bottom fall out of" and they will be stuck in the quagmire of teams in the 8-11 spots of the BEast hoping for a tourney invite. I myself believe they will show their mettle as seniors, leaders and men, and be able to go out there an give the big east hell.
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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2008, 11:11:22 AM »
I recommend Buzz have the feet of all potential recruits examined and x-rayed throughly prior to signing them. Crean really screwed us over on this one.

Now Buzz has something legitimate to be emotional and cry about

But but but isn't this a Buzz recruit?  Hope he heals quickly.


By the way, Crean was on Dan Patrick this morning.  Plenty of talk about MU and IU.  Typical coach speak stuff, but he had what is going to be an 11th place Big Ten team on the national airwaves again.


The number of injuries is pretty crazy.  It wasn't long ago I can recall so many folks complaining about injuries when coached by another coach as if it were the coach's fault.  Or are injuries random events?  I'll take the latter.
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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2008, 11:13:09 AM »
Heads are going to roll on the exclusive "Premium Board!"

Great work by Cracked Sidewalks!!

I had heard through the grapevine that nothing posted here should be trusted.  Or it should be taken with the LARGEST GRAIN OF SALT.   ;)

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2008, 11:17:42 AM »
The reality is, there was no choice but to rely on Fulce and Otule given the makeup of the roster. They were going to be instrumental in the success, or lack thereof, of the season. If they were/are serviceable, the team probably has a decent ceiling. If they can't at least hold their own, a .500 record in the conference is probably about the best we could do. The other talent is very good, but not that much better than what we'll see in the other major players in the conference at 1-4. Being very deficient at 5 and so thin at 4 will be extremely difficult to offset.

The nice thing is, you know the veterans will play their butts off and try to fight through it rather than fold, but realistically they have their work cut out for them.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2008, 11:20:23 AM »
I had heard through the grapevine that nothing posted here should be trusted.  Or it should be taken with the LARGEST GRAIN OF SALT.   ;)

We lie and overreact here.

And Cracked Sidewalks never actually spoke with Mike Broeker, you know. All a big ruse to get us nervous for tonight...

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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2008, 11:25:57 AM »
We lie and overreact here.

And Cracked Sidewalks never actually spoke with Mike Broeker, you know. All a big ruse to get us nervous for tonight...

HIPPA is going to sue all of us for even looking at this site.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2008, 11:29:14 AM »
I am too busy flying off the handle to believe any of this.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2008, 11:34:06 AM »
As far as the practice, here's the health status:

Presumably healthy:
James
McNeal
Hayward
Acker
Butler
Burke
Hazel
Frozena

Injured/Presumably ok to go:
Matthews
Cubillan

Injured/Out:
O'tule
Fulce
McMorrow

So yes, they can do 4 on 4 if all the presumably healthy guys are just that or if Matthews or Cubillan is participating.  If Matthews and Cubillan are both practicing and able to participate, that's the only way there can be a 5 on 5 practice consisting of only active roster players.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2008, 11:46:49 AM »
As someone who works directly in an industry that needs to knwo the in's and outs of HIPPA, HIPPA can't sue you for knowing the information. The only person who gets the 100,000 fine is the person who leaks the info. There I said it stop bringing it up. I go on here to escape work, and general sanity.
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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2008, 11:51:02 AM »
Scott Kuykendal just confirmed it in an official press release:


November 14, 2008
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Otule To Miss Significant Time Following Foot Injury       
Freshman Center Expected To Contribute To MU’s Front Line

Milwaukee – Freshman center Chris Otule of the Marquette University men’s basketball team has been sidelined for several weeks after suffering an injury to his left foot in practice earlier this week.

 Otule was injured when a teammate landed on his foot, causing a fracture in the metatarsal bone.  He is expected to miss at least a month of game action due to the injury.

 Otule is in his first season with the Golden Eagles and is the only true freshman on the roster.  He is expected to provide valuable minutes in the team’s front line rotation in 2008-09.

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2008, 11:51:26 AM »
If this in fact another foot problem than this is definitely not a coincidence.  Buzz will need to make changes to his pre-season workout.
 

You fellas really think boot camp is a new thing?   Billy Gillispie's been doing the "boot camp" for years.   And supposedly it's Bill Self bred.   He may alter it for the big fellas but I don't think he's going to scrap it. 

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2008, 11:54:42 AM »


 Otule was injured when a teammate landed on his foot, causing a fracture in the metatarsal bone.  He is expected to miss at least a month of game action due to the injury.

 

I don't think this injury had anything to do with "boot camp".

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2008, 12:22:57 PM »
Agree read the release more carefully a player landed on his foot breaking a bone (my money is on dwight he's a big boy). Not a stress reaction, not linked to boot camp

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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2008, 12:23:22 PM »
Thinking that boot camp was THE cause of these injuries doesn't make too much sense to me.  If hard core extreme workouts like that are more likely to make a person more fragile, then why does every military branch make all of its soldiers, who typically don't always come into camp in the shape that these players did, go through what we expect to be a similar type of training?  I don't think its to physically weaken them before serving our country or going to war, since its seemed to have worked pretty well for the past X amount of years.  But thats just my opinion.  

P.S. I don't mean to change the thread into arguments about why the military has boot camp and stuff, i'm just giving my reasoning why i don't think that Buzz's "boot camp" was the main cause for the injuries.  Injuries happen, it sucks, but they happen.
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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2008, 12:48:40 PM »
I am too busy flying off the handle to believe any of this.



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Re: Otule out at least a month!
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2008, 12:56:36 PM »
You guys really question the validity of this when I have said before I converse with the players as they pass by me at work?? I can't have a computer. I texted gwaki and TallTitan this morning when Chris told me the info. Couldn't get it up here myself so I thought I'd pass it on to some who could.  I guess inside info STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH so to speak isn't valid unless a member of the media has broken a story.

 

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