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 21 
 on: October 31, 2014, 09:38:06 PM 
Started by PandTandMand... - Last post by PandTandMand...
Interesting article, but nothing that really rings terribly true I don't think.  

The Giants were very middling offensively, I think we know how they won the WS.  They Royals, were, much less than middling.  
(2013)Boston was elite last year.
(2012)The Giants the year before were middling.
(2011)The Cards were very good if not elite, but close.
(2010) The Giants were below average
(2009)The Yanks were Elite.
(2008)The Phillies were middle of the pack.
(2007)Boston was elite.

Pitching wise...
(2014) SF was high side of medium.  But an elite pitcher single-handedly won them 3 games
(2013) Boston was exact middle.  But had a dominant postseason pitcher.
(2012) Giants were very good
(2011) STL was middling -- though again, Wainwright...
(2010) SF was Elite, best in baseball
(2009) The Yanks, were just on the good side of middle.
(2008) The Phillies were very good
(2007) Boston was elite.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out for the Cubs.  But high end hitting prospects flame out the same as pitchers,  a great pitcher can win a WS game for you, or even 3.  

I'm a White Sox fan.  I wouldn't trade Chris Sale for Bryant.  Or Bryant and Soler.  Or probably even Bryant, Soler and Baez.  

That's fine as a fan, but Hahn would trade Sale for two of those three in a heartbeat. Hahn would probably trade for one and a PTBNL as well.

As much as I love watching Sale, he was an active name on waivers for a reason. It was reported they asked for Polanco from the Pirates, Giolito from the Nats and Pedersen or Seager from the Dodgers. None of the teams took the bait...


 22 
 on: October 31, 2014, 09:27:59 PM 
Started by Nevada233 - Last post by Skatastrophy
Here comes Em Eye Eh Em Eye!! Wade + Butler!

 23 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:56:55 PM 
Started by Nevada233 - Last post by g0lden3agle
Yeah he may be the 4th or 5th best Bull

Behind

Rose, Noah, Gasol and Taj Gibson

Give or take.... So the money he's looking for may be on another team ala Lance Stephenson.

He wont get 10-12 million on Chicago...

Yep and there's nothing wrong with that

 24 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:52:29 PM 
Started by Heisenberg - Last post by tower912
If Buzz was still here and had 5 players transfer out, I wonder what the tone of the board would be.   Crean?    Still has a big defender.   On the plus side, it helps justify oversigning. 

 25 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:49:23 PM 
Started by Heisenberg - Last post by Heisenberg
Column: Are college basketball transfers a problem?

http://www.idsnews.com/article/2014/10/column-are-college-basketball-transfers-a-problem

The number is downright staggering.

Jeff Goodman, a college basketball reporter for ESPN, decided to publicize The Transfer List. It tracks every player who transferred to another school.

What do you think the number is? How many players transferred teams during the offseason between the 2013-14 and 2014-15 
seasons?

One hundred? Nope. Not even close.

Three hundred? Still pretty far away.

The answer is 616.

That’s right, 616 players in college basketball transferred teams during the 
offseason.

The IU men’s basketball program was involved in five transfer situations — it lost four players and gained one.

Austin Etherington went to Butler. Jeremy Hollowell went to Georgia State. Peter Jurkin went to East Tennessee State. Jonny Marlin went to Indiana Wesleyan.

And that list doesn’t include Luke Fischer, who transferred to Marquette before the start of the spring semester last season.

Junior guard Nick Zeisloft joins IU after transferring from Illinois State.

The Hoosiers aren’t the only major program afflicted. Butler lost five players due to transfers this season.

Is this a problem?

Frankly, I don’t know. I understand both sides of the argument.

I imagine you’re pretty upset you’re taking the time to read a column that doesn’t offer a solution.

But here’s what I can do for you. I talked to three people at Big Ten Media Day in Chicago who have more knowledge than I do on the subject.

Purdue men’s basketball coach Matt Painter, IU women’s basketball coach Teri Moren and IU men’s basketball coach Tom Crean all offered different insights about the issue of transfers in college basketball.

Tom Crean: “Everybody is right.”

Teams have to account for transfers.

Crean said it’s easier to transfer in college basketball opposed to other collegiate sports.

But is it too easy to transfer in college basketball?

“It’s not my decision,” 
Crean said.

“I didn’t make the rules ... I have not been asked by anybody in the sense of changing the rules. So I try to stay away from the hypotheticals the way they’re at. I think it’s like anything else — you deal with it the way it is.”

Crean said he doesn’t view it as a problem.

It is the way it is. Simple as that.

Teri Moren: “It’s a parent problem.”

Back when Moren played for Purdue, she thought about transferring. She told her parents she wasn’t getting the playing time she wanted.

Her parents had a 
message for her.

“They always said, ‘You’re not coming home,’” Moren said. “They made me figure it out. And I did.”

Parents today, Moren said, don’t hold their kids accountable enough. It’s not a player-specific problem.

Without a solid infrastructure, players don’t have a voice they can count on when they call home and say, “I don’t like it here.”

Moren realizes sometimes transfers are what’s best for a player. She will always try and help a player find a situation where she feels more comfortable, whether that be for more playing time or other reasons.

But some other reasons aren’t so legitimate, she said.

Moren has had starters who wanted to transfer. They were getting good minutes. They were one of the main options on the team. But they wanted out.

It’s those cases Moren doesn’t understand.

“They want to go out to the east, or the west,” 
Moren said.

“Those are the ones that are the head-scratchers. Those are when you go to the parents and say, ‘How are we letting our daughter do this?’ She’s getting minutes. She’s a starter, but she wants something different because it’s easy. It’s amazing why these kids do what they want to do.”

The program made a commitment to the player. Moren believes the player should honor his or her commitment if all is going well.

Matt Painter: “It’s our society.”

Purdue guard Ronnie Johnson transferred this offseason to Houston.

Johnson was a major contributor to the team, averaging the second-most minutes on the Boilermakers and averaging 10.8 points a game, also second on the team.

For Painter, it’s an example of how American society differs from other basketball societies around the world.

In America, players are constantly switching teams, whether that be high school teams, AAU teams or different USA basketball teams.

Internationally that doesn’t happen, he said. Players usually grow up with a single team and don’t have the options of switching teams that their American counterparts do.

“And people ask, ‘What are we gonna do about this?’” Painter said. “I’m like, ‘What do you mean? It’s our society. It’s how these young people are brought up.’”

There are more third parties in basketball than any other sport, Painter said.

High school coaches, AAU coaches, scouting services, — all of these different third parties have an influence in a player’s mind, he said.

“A lot of them just want to please,” Painter said. “But you can’t please anybody. It’s a vicious cycle for young people. They get somewhere, it doesn’t work right away, and they think they’ve made the wrong decision.”

 26 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:46:51 PM 
Started by VegasWarrior77 - Last post by We R Final Four
It's a good thing that you are not the negotiator.

 27 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:39:09 PM 
Started by real chili 83 - Last post by Jay Bee
Looking forward to trying it... what can I bring? I've got about 160 full sized candy bars sitting here, but not sure Snickers pairs well w brisket

 28 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:38:39 PM 
Started by TheFarEastMovement - Last post by Texas Western
I don't like guaranteeing anyone minutes....but I think he would start for us. He would come in as a Junior next December. At the PG spot you have Dawson/Duane who Wojo seems to see more as combo guards, and freshman Nick Noskowiak. He could be our starting PG. Kid was electric in March last season. I wouldn't mind seeing him in blue and gold one bit.

That being said, Chicos guess of Wichita State is a good one. I'm sure they would love to welcome back the hometown kid
He is a solid player. If we are doing a transfer I would prefer a tough forward who can board. We are full of guards and my concern is a guy like this would screw up the chemistry

 29 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:33:04 PM 
Started by TheFarEastMovement - Last post by Jay Bee
Id take him.

Ish.

Could certainly see MU involved.

USA Bball connex

 30 
 on: October 31, 2014, 08:23:07 PM 
Started by moomoo - Last post by wadesworld
1. Some universities interpret it is a requirement of NCAA bylaws.
2. School cannot pay for their tuition after eligibility runs out and most cannot afford tuition without help.
3. It can hurt APR score.
4. Administration views taking a basketball player who has no chance of graduation as unethical. Exploits the athlete part of student athlete and doesn't support the student part.

So giving someone 2 years worth of free education/the opportunity to become 2 years closer to completing a degree without paying a penny for it is "exploint[ing] the athlete part of student athlete" without "support[ing] the student part?"  Not to mention, reaping the absurd amount of monetary benefit that the student athletes on the basketball team bring to the University is not "exploint[ing] the athlete part of student athlete?"  If these are truly "administration views" then I have some serious questions about/problems with the administration.  Especially at a Jesuit University.  The Jesuits were about allowing underprivileged people the opportunity for a quality education.  We're going to tell a kid who has worked his butt off to go from not being eligible out of high school to completing an associate degree to become eligible for division 1 basketball that he's not good enough for our school because he won't complete his degree in 4 years when we don't even require that from the rest of our student body?  Wow.

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