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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 94Warrior on December 03, 2017, 06:52:14 PM
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As a 5th year senior, it's time for AR to grow up. The team surrounded Rowsey immediately following introductions, showing him how important and appreciated his is. He was clearly not amused, and he extracted himself from the huddle ASAP without cracking a smile. He was too busy sulking about being removed from the starting lineup, to understand how important it would be to this team to have his scoring punch come off the bench.
He continued to sulk after entering the game. When he wasn't turning the ball over and forcing shots, he was running half speed coming off picks and not working nearly hard enough. Hustle is something you normally count on from Andrew, especially on the offensive end. Not against Georgia.
Wojo's words directed to our most veteran players (aka Rowsey) post-game were not kind. He said his week of preparation was poor and you play like you practice.
He was suspended just a couple weeks ago for poor behavior, and his attitude following removal from the starting lineup was disappointing to say the least. So, the question is, will he start acting like a 5th year senior and be leader? Or, can we expect to see more of his immaturity going forward?
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He played like crap no doubt. But I didn't interpret his body language as sulking.
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He played like crap no doubt. But I didn't interpret his body language as sulking.
Fair enough, I hope you are right.
Just curious, were you in the BC or did you watch on tv? Because, what I interpreted as sulking, would not have been televised.
FWIW, Wojo called out AR after the game, saying we needed more from our most veteran players. To me it didn't sound like he was talking about just their play.
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I watched it on television.
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Calm it the hell down. Lol.
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Watched it on tv—he definitely appeared that he sulking on the bench initially, and he certainly seemed disinterested when he entered the game. Disappointing.
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Watched it on tv—he definitely appeared that he sulking on the bench initially, and he certainly seemed disinterested when he entered the game. Disappointing.
That's how I saw it. That's how a lot of people sitting near me saw it, too.
And, I am calm. Just disappointed. If he wants to prove me wrong, all he needs to do is have a couple monster games and beat Vermont and the Badgers this week. All will be water under the bridge.
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That's how I saw it. That's how a lot of people sitting near me saw it, too.
And, I am calm. Just disappointed. If he wants to prove me wrong, all he needs to do is have a couple monster games and beat Vermont and the Badgers this week. All will be water under the bridge.
I doubt he’s overly concerned about proving anything to anyone on this board.
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I doubt he’s overly concerned about proving anything to anyone on this board.
I doubt it, too. That's why it was said tongue in cheek.
However, he might want to run full speed off-the-ball next game. You know, like he normally does when he's in the starting lineup.
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The Coach is in charge. If he discipline places a player who deserves it, great do it. If there is still a reason to discipline Andrew Rowsey, then bench him for an entire game. The whole game. Win or lose, maybe it is a teaching moment. If not, then would have probably been an ongoing disaster.
Coach needs the respect of all of his players. Period.
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I'd prefer that Rowsey lead rather than sulk.
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In year 1, Wojo played with 7 scholarship players and benched JaJuan. Last year, he declared every position up for grabs, TBD by how hard you practiced during the next week. Matt took over at center, and once again JaJuan was benched. IMHO, if there were enough bodies or other options at the point, Rowsey would have been benched. But there aren't. Thanks, Haanif, Duane, and Traci. It is clear that Wojo is miffed with Rowsey. It is up to Rowsey to respond.
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I was at the BC - probably for the last time as I live in Minnesota and usually make it to one game a year, sad, so many great memories in there - anyway Rowsey is wayyyyy to small to be sulking, dude needs to get his head on straight and understand he's already at a disadvantage and can't coast or he will be exposed. Hero ball from him is a problem. Also side note that BC crowd stunk... Saturday game and lower bowl wasn't even full. Very disappointed in the MU crowd. Terrible game all around.
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I was at the BC - probably for the last time as I live in Minnesota and usually make it to one game a year, sad, so many great memories in there - anyway Rowsey is wayyyyy to small to be sulking, dude needs to get his head on straight and understand he's already at a disadvantage and can't coast or he will be exposed. Hero ball from him is a problem. Also side note that BC crowd stunk... Saturday game and lower bowl wasn't even full. Very disappointed in the MU crowd. Terrible game all around.
Agreed, lots of entitled, privileged people in modern day Marquette. If the fans can't get up for a game against Georgia, what the ....
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In ALL seriousness, many on here said Wojo coached up Matt Carlino and made him better, I hope Wojo coaches Rowsey up just as much. If any chance of having a decent season, Rowsey needs to be a big contributor. If he cannot be that, I would sit him down and play the young guys. Would prefer for young guys to get real playing time and get ready for next year.
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Rows has been playing like TRASH lately. And I was at the game...I saw sulking.
FIRE WOJO.
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Agreed, lots of entitled, privileged people in modern day Marquette. If the fans can't get up for a game against Georgia, what the ....
I think the fans were ready to get up, I know where I was sitting we were. However, the offensive output was soooo inconsistent it was hard for the fans to get into the game. Every time they got a little momentum it was extinguished very quickly.
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I think the fans were ready to get up, I know where I was sitting we were. However, the offensive output was soooo inconsistent it was hard for the fans to get into the game. Every time they got a little momentum it was extinguished very quickly.
this. I was at the game as well, very solid Saturday afternoon crowd. People were buzzin' before the game. However, the way the game was played out, it was SO hard to sustain any momentum. One three was negated by an AND-1 on the other end or a Rowsey traveling call. Just a rough game overall.
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this. I was at the game as well, very solid Saturday afternoon crowd. People were buzzin' before the game. However, the way the game was played out, it was SO hard to sustain any momentum. One three was negated by an AND-1 on the other end or a Rowsey traveling call. Just a rough game overall.
Are you talking about the players or the crowd sustaining momentum?
From the television, the place looked and sounded like a morgue for all but 43 seconds of the game.
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I thought the crowd was decent. Esp. the much maligned student section. I think like most Rowsey believes he is better than he is...someone brought up trust in his teammates I think that is an issue. I think he may be having a blast off the court. It is his last year of college after all. Everybody has bad days, weeks, months.
Interestingly, when the team came through the Court Side Club before intros they walked. I've never seen that before. They always ran. Seemed odd and a little down. Rowsey was not a part of that moment at all. I didn't notice but my buddy did. I asked someone where he was and they said "on the court" so who knows what dynamic is taking place overall.
Markus came through post game noticeably agitated as expected.
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Rows has been playing like TRASH lately. And I was at the game...I saw sulking.
FIRE WOJO.
Is Wojo also responsible for Markus's 2 fouls in the first minute? Is he responsible for TC, DW or HC jumping ship?
I am very pleased with the overall direction of the program, I would just like to see some veteran leadership.
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FWIW I was at the Chi St. game sitting 4 rows behind the bench. Wojo was definitely not pleased with Rowsey's attitude/effort in that game and pulled him out of the game telling him he needed more out of him. He put him back in 5 mins later and slapped him hard on the behind and basically said "Are you ready to play now??". Basically insinuating he was giving lackluster effort... found it interesting. Then, after watching on Saturday (I was out of town unfortunately) it still appeared as though Rowsey was still just going through the motions not giving 100% effort and making dumb mistakes.
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I'd prefer that Rowsey lead rather than sulk.
That would also be my preference, but I'm mindful that our opinion might not be universal. How about a poll?
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It is his last go around in college. I except he'll buck up starting tomorrow. The clock is tickin'...
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That would also be my preference, but I'm mindful that our opinion might not be universal. How about a poll?
I strongly advocate Rowsey playing well instead of playing poorly.
I also would prefer a good game from Rowsey tomorrow to another Scoop poll.
I'm also coming out on the side of preferring a victory over Vermont as opposed to a loss.
Yep, this is me, taking some courageous stances.
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The Brillance is overwhelming.
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I strongly advocate Rowsey playing well instead of playing poorly.
I also would prefer a good game from Rowsey tomorrow to another Scoop poll.
I'm also coming out on the side of preferring a victory over Vermont as opposed to a loss.
Yep, this is me, taking some courageous stances.
I can see why you are a HOF voter!
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I can see why you are a HOF voter!
I'm not in the HoF yet. Hopeful of getting in this year, though!
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I think Rowsey will be fine. Saturday was a disaster and it's hard to speculate to what led to that. I give him credit for playing a position he's never played on a big stage. More often than not his performance has been solid.
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Is Wojo also responsible for Markus's 2 fouls in the first minute? Is he responsible for TC, DW or HC jumping ship?
I am very pleased with the overall direction of the program, I would just like to see some veteran leadership.
You think the coach has nothing to do with guys transferring out of the program? A guy like Deonte leaving when he has family issues is one thing, but these guys didn't have anything going on outside the program to draw them away that I'm aware of. Losing a number of guys mid-year doesn't seem to be the norm for college hoops, so I do think some of this falls on Wojo.
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You think the coach has nothing to do with guys transferring out of the program? A guy like Deonte leaving when he has family issues is one thing, but these guys didn't have anything going on outside the program to draw them away that I'm aware of. Losing a number of guys mid-year doesn't seem to be the norm for college hoops, so I do think some of this falls on Wojo.
Just watched the most recent edition of Inside Marquette on Spectrum. Wojo once again very clearly stated that Haanif’s situation was a PERSONAL FAMILY MATTER. He has said this now in several ways. I believe him. Btw, Traci had home issues as well.
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Just watched the most recent edition of Inside Marquette on Spectrum. Wojo once again very clearly stated that Haanif’s situation was a PERSONAL FAMILY MATTER. He has said this now in several ways. I believe him. Btw, Traci had home issues as well.
Right, and LiAngelo Ball leaving UCLA was just a personal matter as well. PR is one thing, reality is another. Maybe he's being up front this time, and maybe he's not. The fact is, there have been a lot of guys leaving Wojo mid-season, and that's concerning to me.
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Just watched the most recent edition of Inside Marquette on Spectrum. Wojo once again very clearly stated that Haanif’s situation was a PERSONAL FAMILY MATTER. He has said this now in several ways. I believe him. Btw, Traci had home issues as well.
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Again, can’t it be both?
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Tough one to call. If he doesn't buck up and be a leader then I couldn't see justifying playing a smurf that is turning the ball over consistently, playing hero ball, and not putting forth the defensive effort. Who would succumb to that as a coach and create a cancer in the team chemistry? I don't see Wojo as a guy that is going to coddle someone. I seem him more of as a next man up type mentality. AR is not an 18 year old freshman that doesn't get it. He is in his 5th year.
Perhaps another poster is right in that like others he thinks he is better then he is. You can't justify playing a 5'9" guy if he isn't putting forth the effort.
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Rowsey will be back with a vengeance. No worries.
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Right, and LiAngelo Ball leaving UCLA was just a personal matter as well. PR is one thing, reality is another. Maybe he's being up front this time, and maybe he's not. The fact is, there have been a lot of guys leaving Wojo mid-season, and that's concerning to me.
Well It was a personal matter of his own doing
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Tough one to call. If he doesn't buck up and be a leader then I couldn't see justifying playing a smurf that is turning the ball over consistently, playing hero ball, and not putting forth the defensive effort. Who would succumb to that as a coach and create a cancer in the team chemistry? I don't see Wojo as a guy that is going to coddle someone. I seem him more of as a next man up type mentality. AR is not an 18 year old freshman that doesn't get it. He is in his 5th year.
Perhaps another poster is right in that like others he thinks he is better then he is. You can't justify playing a 5'9" guy if he isn't putting forth the effort.
Whether he was sulking or not is irrelevant. He did have a bad game. However, it should be clear to everyone that the team has its best chance of winning is when both Howard and Rowsey are on the floor. No one wants to considered that some of the blame for the Georgia loss should be on Howard. We have three scorers and at least one of them is on in every game. Howard was on in that game, but he took himself out of the game for most of the first half, because he got two fouls in the first minute. That had as much to do with losing that game than any other. Howard last season and so far this season has gotten fouls trying to defend a big man. Howard has been in foul trouble several times, while Rowsey generally does not foul. Rowsey needs to play better than he did against Georgia and Howard has to stop getting fouls that limit his playing time.
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I think Rowsey will be fine. Saturday was a disaster and it's hard to speculate to what led to that. I give him credit for playing a position he's never played on a big stage. More often than not his performance has been solid.
Agree. I was at the game. Was impressed by watching Rowsey shoot more balls in warm ups than everyone else. He stayed on Court to keep shooting after the team ran into the locker room. Yes, he had an “off game.” But, we are very lucky to have him. He will help us win more than not.
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In ALL seriousness, many on here said Wojo coached up Matt Carlino and made him better, I hope Wojo coaches Rowsey up just as much. If any chance of having a decent season, Rowsey needs to be a big contributor. If he cannot be that, I would sit him down and play the young guys. Would prefer for young guys to get real playing time and get ready for next year.
Well either Wojo coached him up, BYU's coach coached him down, or coaches have zero impact on how good a player is because Carlino's last season at Marquette was significantly better than any of his seasons at BYU by any statistical measure.
And like you criticized scoopers for dismissing Car3no early in the season, I think the same could be said for Rowsey now. This board has a history of trashing players they deem to be selfish chuckers based on a few early season performances. They did it with Car3no, they did it with Hank, they did it with Katin, and now Rowsey is in the crosshairs. We will see how it plays out, but I think Rowsey settles down and finds his role again before long.
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Again, can’t it be both?
Yep.
I'm sure Traci and Haanif had family issues that led them to transfer. I'm also sure that if they were featured more prominently in the offense that they would have stayed in spite of those family issues.
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Tamu
Sounds good. I hope Rowsey settles in big time. If not, it is a losing season.
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Tonight the answer is lead.
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This was a nice rebound game for Rowsey. When he looks to distribute, he can really help create some nice opportunities for other guys. He still had a few ill-advised shots and drives, but on the whole, this was a pretty darn good outing for him. I'll take 13 and 10 from him any day.
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This was a nice rebound game for Rowsey. When he looks to distribute, he can really help create some nice opportunities for other guys. He still had a few ill-advised shots and drives, but on the whole, this was a pretty darn good outing for him. I'll take 13 and 10 from him anyone any day.
FIFY
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Tonight the answer is lead.
Absolutely! This is what I want to see from our lone senior. Drew needs to bring it on Saturday, too!
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Well either Wojo coached him up, BYU's coach coached him down, or coaches have zero impact on how good a player is because Carlino's last season at Marquette was significantly better than any of his seasons at BYU by any statistical measure.
And like you criticized scoopers for dismissing Car3no early in the season, I think the same could be said for Rowsey now. This board has a history of trashing players they deem to be selfish chuckers based on a few early season performances. They did it with Car3no, they did it with Hank, they did it with Katin, and now Rowsey is in the crosshairs. We will see how it plays out, but I think Rowsey settles down and finds his role again before long.
Two things about last night. First, read the game thread from last night and you will see a lot of posts trashing Rowsey despite his 13 point, 10 assist, 1 turnover game. The comments stopped after the game because I think they finally looked at his statline and realized how well he played. Second, Rowsey found his role last night. It was one game so I'm not going to get overexcited about it. Let's see if it becomes a pattern.
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I think the only bad thing Rowsey did was at the end of the first half when he dribbled forever and launched a bad shot. But that shouldn't overshadow what was a really solid performance otherwise.
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I think the only bad thing Rowsey did was at the end of the first half when he dribbled forever and launched a bad shot. But that shouldn't overshadow what was a really solid performance otherwise.
There was a fast break where he stood at half court instead of trying to get back to the basket to stop it. That was a bit frustrating
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There was a fast break where he stood at half court instead of trying to get back to the basket to stop it. That was a bit frustrating
Pretty sure he was trying to draw a charge. The kid looked out of control at first. Credit to the Vermont kid, he got control, sidestepped Rowsey and made him look silly
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There was a fast break where he stood at half court instead of trying to get back to the basket to stop it. That was a bit frustrating
My view of that. He was indecisive about charging forward to try and get the loose ball or, alternatively, retreating to play D. It was like the gas/brake moment as a light turns yellow. I chalked it up to a brain cramp, not laziness.
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If Rowsey plays in similar fashion the majority of the time and if Froling can play, some optimism for BE play. I never questioned if Rowsey could play or not, only his ability to play within a team concept. Fingers crossed.
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I'm sure there will still be games where Rowsey will have an opportunity to go off and get his 25 pts. Defenses are going to focus more and more on Markus now that he is back in form (and then some), which may create more opportunities for AR to score without completely focusing on "me first." Kudos to him for being able to adjust to a different mindset last night other than his clear instinctual one to be a scorer. He's going to have a huge impact on the outcome of our season, one way or another. Hopefully last night was an indication that he is willing to be the type of player the team needs him to be, rather than the one he would probably prefer to be.
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If Rowsey plays in similar fashion the majority of the time and if Froling can play, some optimism for BE play. I never questioned if Rowsey could play or not, only his ability to play within a team concept. Fingers crossed.
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Similar to what seemed to happen with Katin at the beginning of last year--too much hero ball. If AR can buy into the team concept and realize that he is perhaps for the first time in his life NOT the best pure scorer on the team, I think this team still has a lot of potential in BE play.
If he can be opportunistic and take shots when the defenses allow him, he can still put up 15-20 points per game (while grabbing 5-10 assists) without needing to take 15 shots to get there.
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Doesn't the answer to the OP ultimately come down to judgement of his slaps of five?
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Doesn't the answer to the OP ultimately come down to judgement of his slaps of five?
If Rowsey leads us to a Big East title and an Elite 8 (ala Vander Blue), he can exude whatever body language he wishes.
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If Rowsey plays in similar fashion the majority of the time and if Froling can play, some optimism for BE play. I never questioned if Rowsey could play or not, only his ability to play within a team concept. Fingers crossed.
It's interesting to still keep attention on a program you publicly disowned 13 months ago.
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I was very impressed with how Rowsey responded and played last night. He limited his turnovers, made some great decisions/passes which resulted in assists, and knocked down some open shots which were big. He played within the game and didn't try to play "hero ball". Night and day difference between Georgia game Rowsey and last night. We need last night's version from here on out. If he can simply play within himself and within the game, we can be good. Like some of you mentioned, he'll have nights where he'll have a bunch of good looks and go for 20+ points. Otherwise, a 10-15 point game and limited turnovers is all we need.
I was very impressed with how the squad played last night. Probably their best game this season. Offense ran well.
Beat the Badgers....
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You think the coach has nothing to do with guys transferring out of the program? A guy like Deonte leaving when he has family issues is one thing, but these guys didn't have anything going on outside the program to draw them away that I'm aware of. Losing a number of guys mid-year doesn't seem to be the norm for college hoops, so I do think some of this falls on Wojo.
What seems odd to me is that Cohen, Traci and Cheatham all left the team before the semester ended.
Why would you not finish out the semester before you tell Wojo you are quitting. I assume they all stayed in school.
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I was very impressed with how Rowsey responded and played last night. He limited his turnovers, made some great decisions/passes which resulted in assists, and knocked down some open shots which were big. He played within the game and didn't try to play "hero ball". Night and day difference between Georgia game Rowsey and last night. We need last night's version from here on out. If he can simply play within himself and within the game, we can be good. Like some of you mentioned, he'll have nights where he'll have a bunch of good looks and go for 20+ points. Otherwise, a 10-15 point game and limited turnovers is all we need.
I was very impressed with how the squad played last night. Probably their best game this season. Offense ran well.
Beat the Badgers....
I was amazed at some of Rowsey's passes last night. I did not know he could pass the ball so well. That was a beautiful full court pass to Cain that Cain did not handle. However, I see a big difference between Georgia and Vermont. Georgia had quick long players that could put pressure on our guards, which contributed to Rowsey's bad game. I did not see the same type of pressure from Vermont which made things easier for Rowsey. Players can have good and bad games and the type of opponent does matter.
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Golden
I am on here to balance out the fxxkin idiots that post on here and provide value to those that would like to discuss MU ball. Not sure if I ever disowned the Marquette Men's basketball program, will take your word on that one. Disowned tickets, but do not remember disowning the program.
Weren't you the SH expert last year? It is funny, but I had to look you up because I had no idea who you were.
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I was amazed at some of Rowsey's passes last night. I did not know he could pass the ball so well. That was a beautiful full court pass to Cain that Cain did not handle. However, I see a big difference between Georgia and Vermont. Georgia had quick long players that could put pressure on our guards, which contributed to Rowsey's bad game. I did not see the same type of pressure from Vermont which made things easier for Rowsey. Players can have good and bad games and the type of opponent does matter.
I forgot about that lob to Cain. Was that a TO on Rowdy or Cain? Because if that was Rowdys one turnover that makes his performance last night even better
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Golden
I am on here to balance out the fxxkin idiots that post on here and provide value to those that would like to discuss MU ball.
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Kook
What camp do you think you are in?
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I don't think we have many f#cking idiots on this board. Just different types of fans
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I love when posters question other posters fanhood on a Marquette basketball message board. A few things to note:
1) This is an unaffiliated site, no 247, Scout, Rivals etc to give us cross over trolls. People here are by and large MU affiliated
2) We also sort of know each other...just from reading this board I'm pretty confident that Goose is from MKE, and went to MU in the early 80's, has followed the team ever since.
3) Everyone seems to have some historical understanding of MU and their accomplishments (and failings)
What you're saying when you question the fanhood of someone is that they don't cheer like you want people to cheer. Fine, that's your prerogative but remember, if you post here, chances are pretty great that you're way too big of a MU fan and might actually have a problem and need to develop a hobby.
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I love when posters question other posters fanhood on a Marquette basketball message board. A few things to note:
1) This is an unaffiliated site, no 247, Scout, Rivals etc to give us cross over trolls. People here are by and large MU affiliated
2) We also sort of know each other...just from reading this board I'm pretty confident that Goose is from MKE, and went to MU in the early 80's, has followed the team ever since.
3) Everyone seems to have some historical understanding of MU and their accomplishments (and failings)
What you're saying when you question the fanhood of someone is that they don't cheer like you want people to cheer. Fine, that's your prerogative but remember, if you post here, chances are pretty great that you're way too big of a MU fan and might actually have a problem and need to develop a hobby.
Bingo.
Goose you know your stuff to be certain. But I wouldn't get too excited about the "value" you "provide". Just saying... everyone brings a little of something different. And I'm not quite sure you say much that is of value to me at least. (Insert you responding that it is because I don't know what value is)
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fjm
I was teasing. Golden rode my fanny last year and felt the need to re-engage in doing so again. I can say that I am no more of fan than anyone on here. I might have a leg up on some regarding history of program, but definitely far from knowing my stuff in comparison to others. Again, I was joking.
Lens
Correct on about 90% of your post. School in the early 80's, from MKE, but a fan since late 60's. For the record, I think Sultan is far bigger fan and I love how much he loves the program. Refresh my memory, how do we sort know of each other?
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I love when posters question other posters fanhood on a Marquette basketball message board. A few things to note:
1) This is an unaffiliated site, no 247, Scout, Rivals etc to give us cross over trolls. People here are by and large MU affiliated
2) We also sort of know each other...just from reading this board I'm pretty confident that Goose is from MKE, and went to MU in the early 80's, has followed the team ever since.
3) Everyone seems to have some historical understanding of MU and their accomplishments (and failings)
What you're saying when you question the fanhood of someone is that they don't cheer like you want people to cheer. Fine, that's your prerogative but remember, if you post here, chances are pretty great that you're way too big of a MU fan and might actually have a problem and need to develop a hobby.
this is a great post
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fjm
I was teasing. Golden rode my fanny last year and felt the need to re-engage in doing so again. I can say that I am no more of fan than anyone on here. I might have a leg up on some regarding history of program, but definitely far from knowing my stuff in comparison to others. Again, I was joking.
Lens
Correct on about 90% of your post. School in the early 80's, from MKE, but a fan since late 60's. For the record, I think Sultan is far bigger fan and I love how much he loves the program. Refresh my memory, how do we sort know of each other?
Thanks Goose. I appreciate your perspective as well.
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fjm
I agree with you, I really don’t provide a ton of value on this board. I always like when I agree with another poster and could not agree more with your assessment of my content. Actually, made my day.
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fjm
I agree with you, I really don’t provide a ton of value on this board. I always like when I agree with another poster and could not agree more with your assessment or f my content. Actually, made my day.
Haha. Fair enough boss! You do provide good content and I'm sure many people value your content much more than I. Also I do appreciate that you always reply directly to the poster and I'm not asking you to always agree with people.
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Kumbaya...... kumbaya. FWIW, I wouldn't have it any other way.
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"If two people agree on everything, one of them is irrelevant."
Attributed to Winston Churchill
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"If two people agree on everything, one of them is irrelevant."
Attributed to Winston Churchill
"If one person is an egregious ahole, it doesn't mean the other person isn't one too" - W. Churchill