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Title: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 10:25:02 AM


Just to help me get thru this dead period, I've been mulling over this Question.

With our 3pt core shooters returning, who will be our Top Two 2pt scorers (Any combination of Short jumpers, Floaters, Lay ups, Put Backs, Dunks and Made 2pt Free Throw.)

I know its really early and most don't have an idea about the new guys, but if you have the time help me out here.  Thanks
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: lurch91 on April 20, 2017, 10:28:08 AM
Matt Heldt

Everyone else has 3pt range and ability.  Because of everyone else taking 3 pointers, I would think Matt would lead in ppg from 2pt range.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 10:29:58 AM
Matt Heldt

Everyone else has 3pt range and ability.  Because of everyone else taking 3 pointers, I would think Matt would lead in ppg from 2pt range.

Thanks but I was looking for 2.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: LAMUfan on April 20, 2017, 10:30:35 AM
Matt Heldt

Everyone else has 3pt range and ability.  Because of everyone else taking 3 pointers, I would think Matt would lead in ppg from 2pt range.

I like Heldt, but this would not be good
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: wadesworld on April 20, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
Cain, Rowsey, Howard, Hauser.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Clam Crowder on April 20, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
It will be Haanif at 1 and Heldt/Froling at 2...more likely Froling than Heldt unless Heldt solidifies starter minutes prior to Froling's eligibility
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 11:06:36 AM
Cain, Rowsey, Howard, Hauser.

Can you break that down to only 2, Thanks
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Jay Bee on April 20, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
Haani + Harry, heyna?
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: lurch91 on April 20, 2017, 12:14:53 PM
It will be Haanif at 1 and Heldt/Froling at 2...more likely Froling than Heldt unless Heldt solidifies starter minutes prior to Froling's eligibility


I forgot Froling is waiting in the wings.  If I had more faith in Haanif, I would have listed him but we all know "he basically got benched the end of last season".  Here's hoping he figures it out this summer.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 12:15:33 PM
Haani + Harry, heyna?

Thanks
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Newsdreams on April 20, 2017, 01:23:05 PM
Haani + Harry, heyna?
Same for me
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on April 20, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
Harry & Sacar.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 03:07:57 PM
Harry & Sacar.

Yeah, I'm slightly tilted in this direction.  With Sacar playing the role of the Best player on the opposing team ALL last year and with his High school pedigree, he becomes a valuable teammate. 
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: jesmu84 on April 20, 2017, 03:21:43 PM
Yeah, I'm slightly tilted in this direction.  With Sacar playing the role of the Best player on the opposing team ALL last year and with his High school pedigree, he becomes a valuable teammate.

Care to expand?
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
Care to expand?

Going on memory here:  Minnesota Mr  Basketball, also I think his HS team won its Conference all 4 years during his time.  But you can check Google or accuracy and other facts.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: BM1090 on April 20, 2017, 03:52:17 PM
Going on memory here:  Minnesota Mr  Basketball, also I think his HS team won its Conference all 4 years during his time.  But you can check Google or accuracy and other facts.

Won state all 4 years, I believe.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Won state all 4 years, I believe.

 Thanks for that.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: #UnleashSean on April 20, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
Without looking at stats, I'd have to say Rowsey will be our top 2pt scorer returning.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: jesmu84 on April 20, 2017, 04:28:24 PM
Going on memory here:  Minnesota Mr  Basketball, also I think his HS team won its Conference all 4 years during his time.  But you can check Google or accuracy and other facts.

Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: wadesworld on April 20, 2017, 04:29:26 PM
Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

Ethan Happ is okay.  Justin Patton had a decent freshman season.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: DUNKS45 on April 20, 2017, 04:41:51 PM
Sacar and Harry.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Without looking at stats, I'd have to say Rowsey will be our top 2pt scorer returning.

OK I Need one More.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 20, 2017, 04:46:38 PM
Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

There are examples, Wades brought up the two most recent ones. Many are busts. Many develop into solid rotation players and even starters. I'm guessing Sacar ends up becoming a valuable player off the bench next season, maybe 10-15 minutes a game.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
Do exceptionally successful college players generally take a non-medical/transfer redshirt?

Can you say it plainer, are you implying that accepting to be red shirted might be an indication of having lesser college BB talent.  And maybe not developing better skills during his college career?
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: jesmu84 on April 20, 2017, 05:08:47 PM
Can you say it plainer, are you implying that accepting to be red shirted might be an indication of having lesser college BB talent.  And maybe not developing better skills during his college career?

All I was trying to say was that it's pretty rare that players who redshirt for non-medical/transfer reasons turn out to be above-average/great high D1 college players.

Basically, outside of needing to fill out physically (Justin Patton's situation), you're probably taking a redshirt to develop skills to even get playing time.

Further, I don't think pointing out high school accolades/pedigrees has a high correlation with college success in the way you implied.

That said, I hope Sacar is the needle-in-the-haystack.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: tower912 on April 20, 2017, 05:14:33 PM
All I was trying to say was that it's pretty rare that players who redshirt for non-medical/transfer reasons turn out to be above-average/great high D1 college players.

Basically, outside of needing to fill out physically (Justin Patton's situation), you're probably taking a redshirt to develop skills to even get playing time.

Further, I don't think pointing out high school accolades/pedigrees has a high correlation with college success in the way you implied.

That said, I hope Sacar is the needle-in-the-haystack.
Bo Ryan disagrees.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 05:23:32 PM
All I was trying to say was that it's pretty rare that players who redshirt for non-medical/transfer reasons turn out to be above-average/great high D1 college players.

Basically, outside of needing to fill out physically (Justin Patton's situation), you're probably taking a redshirt to develop skills to even get playing time.

Further, I don't think pointing out high school accolades/pedigrees has a high correlation with college success in the way you implied.

That said, I hope Sacar is the needle-in-the-haystack.

OK Thanks
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Jockey on April 20, 2017, 05:27:32 PM
Froling and either Rowsey or Hauser.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 20, 2017, 05:35:52 PM
Froling and either Rowsey or Hauser.

Sam is interesting choice, I thought I seen a few Glimpses of some nice smooth moves to the basket last year.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: jesmu84 on April 20, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Bo Ryan disagrees.

Ha. Touche.

As a whole, along the high D1 spectrum of players, I think I'm more correct
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 20, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
Ha. Touche.

As a whole, along the high D1 spectrum of players, I think I'm more correct

Brian Butch
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: brewcity77 on April 20, 2017, 11:41:59 PM
Ha. Touche.

As a whole, along the high D1 spectrum of players, I think I'm more correct

I'm becoming less convinced of this. When it's giving a redshirt to simply buy a year of eligibility, I agree. Honestly, I don't even think Bo Ryan used the redshirt well. Look at Kaminsky. That kid had tons of talent and the redshirt year didn't seem to help at all. He still wasn't ready until his junior year. Wisconsin generally wastes redshirts. Guys are no more prepared as redshirt freshman then they would be as sophomores.

But there are programs that do use it well. Creighton, not just with Patton, but Mo Watson. For us, Luke was far more ready to play after a year out, and I think Rowsey made good use as well, stepping in pretty quick. Gonzaga has done wonders with Kelly Olynyk, Nigel Williams-Goss, and others.

I'm hoping Anim will show a big jump. I think if the program has a plan to actually maximize the redshirt by optimizing a physical program and advancing basketball skills without the stress of game performance, it can be a huge benefit.

But for those guys just buying a year? Then it's often wasted on mediocre players.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 22, 2017, 07:59:30 AM
I'm becoming less convinced of this. When it's giving a redshirt to simply buy a year of eligibility, I agree. Honestly, I don't even think Bo Ryan used the redshirt well. Look at Kaminsky. That kid had tons of talent and the redshirt year didn't seem to help at all. He still wasn't ready until his junior year. Wisconsin generally wastes redshirts. Guys are no more prepared as redshirt freshman then they would be as sophomores.

Big Frank no redshirt, ai-na?
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: bilsu on April 22, 2017, 08:16:50 AM
Harry & Sacar.
I would go with these two.
Sacar in limited playing time as a freshmen was 6 out of 12 on two point shots. It will of been a mistake to redshirt him, if he does not play much this year.
Title: Re: 2 pt Scorers
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 24, 2017, 01:53:41 PM

After reading Big Daddy's post today (Recruiting 4/1/17 Post #7310) I'm changing to Harry and Greg pushing Sacar to third. To me it seems to make the 2 pt scoring contingent Brighter.