MUScoop

MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenWarrior11 on April 12, 2017, 08:41:01 AM

Title: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on April 12, 2017, 08:41:01 AM
Jon Rothstein‏ @JonRothstein
Marquette will host American as part of its 2017-18 non-conference schedule, per a source.

Home
Georgia
American
Gavitt Game

Away
Wisconsin

Plus:
Maui Classic (3 of Notre Dame, Wichita State, Cal, Michigan, LSU, VCU, Chaminade)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 12, 2017, 09:03:48 AM
Also on the schedule, the University of the United States.

(http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/879/85/85879/1446338535-0.jpg)

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2017, 09:18:38 AM
For those wondering, American was 8-22 this year and finished last in the Patriot League. 307 in RPI. Would have been our third worst opponent this year based on RPI, ahead of only SIU-Edwardsville and Howard. Hopefully not many more of these.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on April 12, 2017, 09:24:19 AM
I read it first and thought we were playing a team from the AMERICAN conference  :'(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on April 12, 2017, 10:05:18 AM
For those wondering, American was 8-22 this year and finished last in the Patriot League. 307 in RPI. Would have been our third worst opponent this year based on RPI, ahead of only SIU-Edwardsville and Howard. Hopefully not many more of these.

They were quite young. Hoping they'll add several wins next season
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2017, 10:10:55 AM
They were quite young. Hoping they'll add several wins next season

Good to know.  Admittedly, didn't look any further than what I shared.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on April 12, 2017, 10:24:44 AM
I'm all for scheduling cupcake games heading into preseason tournaments and conference play, but, man, I do hate scheduling 300+ RPI teams with a passion.

We aren't playing Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Notre Dame or UConn anymore in conference play.  We can't afford to have anchors on our strength of schedule. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Pakuni on April 12, 2017, 10:31:10 AM
They were quite young. Hoping they'll add several wins next season

Yep. Four of their top five were freshmen or sophomores, including their top three scorers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on April 12, 2017, 11:02:47 AM
Is this a 'local' Maui game where we get no choice?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2017, 11:04:50 AM
Is this a 'local' Maui game where we get no choice?

No reports of that yet, so kind of doubt it.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: naginiF on April 12, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
I'm all for scheduling cupcake games heading into preseason tournaments and conference play, but, man, I do hate scheduling 300+ RPI teams with a passion.

We aren't playing Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Notre Dame or UConn anymore in conference play.  We can't afford to have anchors on our strength of schedule.
Without doing the math, Creighton, Butler, and Xavier 2X per year more than make up for losing the rotational play of these teams.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 12, 2017, 11:09:59 AM
Yep. Four of their top five were freshmen or sophomores, including their top three scorers.

One of the sophomores is transferring. But they should be better next season.  Will probably be an advertisement buy game
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
One of the sophomores is transferring. But they should be better next season.  Will probably be an advertisement buy game

What is an "advertisement buy game"?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 12, 2017, 12:17:53 PM
What is an "advertisement buy game"?

"Making American Great Again" bumper stickers, duh!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Bocephys on April 12, 2017, 12:44:04 PM
"Making American Great Again" bumper stickers, duh!

Does that mean we have to lose?  Or can we win in OT?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 12, 2017, 01:12:35 PM
What is an "advertisement buy game"?

Phone somehow corrected average to advertisement
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: barfolomew on April 12, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
I'm proud to beat an American.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MU82 on April 12, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Phone somehow corrected average to advertisement

That's one sub-advertisement phone you have there, TAMU!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 12, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
"Making American Great Again" bumper stickers, duh!

Surely by now we've learned MAGA really means Make America Golf Again.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on April 12, 2017, 02:23:55 PM
Why are so many people here anti-American?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: SERocks on April 12, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
American is evil and must be destroyed.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MUDPT on April 12, 2017, 03:37:19 PM
What are the chances we start a road, home and home against a marquee opponent, who would then open the new arena in 2018? I guess ND is going to open DePaul's new place.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: BM1090 on April 12, 2017, 03:49:24 PM
What are the chances we start a road, home and home against a marquee opponent, who would then open the new arena in 2018? I guess ND is going to open DePaul's new place.

This year? I'm guessing not since we already have 6 quality opponents (3 Maui, UW, Georgia, Gavitt). Next year? Pretty likely, in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on April 12, 2017, 03:51:44 PM
As a STH, I think we absolutely need 2 solid Nov / Dec home games each year.  I was even OK with Fresno State.  But December becomes a long sludge if we only have 1 decent home game.  With every game in HD on FSI et al, MU needs to incentivise people to continue to be STHers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on April 12, 2017, 04:06:56 PM
I'm proud to beat an American.

How long have you worked for United Airlines?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Anti-Dentite on April 13, 2017, 06:09:25 AM
I'm proud to beat an American.
Where at least they know they're free.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Anti-Dentite on April 13, 2017, 06:10:56 AM
American is evil and must be destroyed.
Has the FBI contacted you yet?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: real chili 83 on April 13, 2017, 06:39:40 AM
Do they have any Russian recruits?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Herman Cain on April 13, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
Looking forward to a possible Maui match up with Wichita State and Lynn Marshall.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MUDPT on May 02, 2017, 10:17:21 AM
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?75965-Updated-Projected-Gavitt-Games-Pairings&s=cad3468830461d8d9020404421d6ac19

Predicting us hosting Minnesota.  I think the last time we played them was in 2000 at the Arena when Crean decided not to foul and let them run down the clock to 3 seconds before we got the ball back.  I think we were down 2 at the time.

I would like to see us host NW or Michigan.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 02, 2017, 10:19:51 AM
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?75965-Updated-Projected-Gavitt-Games-Pairings&s=cad3468830461d8d9020404421d6ac19

Predicting us hosting Minnesota.  I think the last time we played them was in 2000 at the Arena when Crean decided not to foul and let them run down the clock to 3 seconds before we got the ball back.  I think we were down 2 at the time.

I would like to see us host NW or Michigan.

I'd be happy with NW. After last year I can do without Michigan.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: bradley center bat on May 02, 2017, 10:23:38 AM
Gavitt Games schedule should be out soon. Last year, it came out on May 3rd.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MuMark on May 02, 2017, 10:30:23 AM
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?75965-Updated-Projected-Gavitt-Games-Pairings&s=cad3468830461d8d9020404421d6ac19

Predicting us hosting Minnesota.  I think the last time we played them was in 2000 at the Arena when Crean decided not to foul and let them run down the clock to 3 seconds before we got the ball back.  I think we were down 2 at the time.

I would like to see us host NW or Michigan.

We already hosted Iowa in the first Gavitt games so I'm pretty sure we will be on the road this time around.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 02, 2017, 10:33:40 AM
Doubt we get Michigan. Played them last year and could face them again in Maui.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MUDPT on May 02, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
We already hosted Iowa in the first Gavitt games so I'm pretty sure we will be on the road this time around.

Nope, STHs got letter we are hosting.
Doubt we get Michigan. Played them last year and could face them again in Maui.

Good call, forgot about Maui.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 02, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Hoping for @ Minnesota.  Would make me very happy.

Would also be a chance for a good road win. 

edit: ahhh I see someone said it'll be a home game. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on May 02, 2017, 11:38:24 AM
I could totally see Northwestern..Collins vs. Wojo story line.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on May 02, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
Gavitt will be a home game, both per the STH letter and per Mike Broeker.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MU82 on May 02, 2017, 09:52:03 PM
Gavitt will be a home game, both per the STH letter and per Mike Broeker.

Well, if it ain't Broeker, don't fixer it!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: mu35577 on May 09, 2017, 07:31:45 AM
Marquette to host Mount Saint Mary's per Rothstein on Twitter
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 09, 2017, 07:35:46 AM
Marquette to host Mount Saint Mary's per Rothstein on Twitter

Are they graduating a lot of people or is the core of that team returning?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 09, 2017, 08:25:45 AM
Are they graduating a lot of people or is the core of that team returning?

They only graduate two bench players. Unfortunately, they had 5 players transfer including their best player, a starter, the first guy off their bench, and two benchwarmers. Kind of the way of low majors now. Should still be a solid buy game. I would guess the end up in the low to mid 200s for RPI.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MUMonster03 on May 12, 2017, 05:44:59 AM
These are the type of matchups we need to be scheduling.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19361558/ucla-cincinnati-play-home-home-hoops-series

If an American team can get a home and home with UCLA, we should be able to get good home and home arrangements as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MUDPT on May 16, 2017, 08:06:22 AM
Sounds like the Big 10 is planning two games around the Friday through Monday on the first weekend in December. This would probably make the UW game on December 9, like previous years.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 16, 2017, 08:30:53 AM
Sounds like the Big 10 is planning two games around the Friday through Monday on the first weekend in December. This would probably make the UW game on December 9, like previous years.

They are starting conference play early this year because they scheduled the BIG? conference tourney like a mid-major.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 16, 2017, 08:44:41 AM
These are the type of matchups we need to be scheduling.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19361558/ucla-cincinnati-play-home-home-hoops-series

If an American team can get a home and home with UCLA, we should be able to get good home and home arrangements as well.

Being in the American is an advantage when scheduling marquee matches like this. Big East teams command a higher price.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 16, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
Being in the American is an advantage when scheduling marquee matches like this. Big East teams command a higher price.

Yuck.  The only advantage of being in the American is being in front of empty crowds and arenas during tournament time (not to mention a majority of conference play), as well as guaranteed to be on ESPNews and CBSSN for games. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 16, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
Gavitt Games schedule announcement apparently held up by MSU's participation in the Phil Knight Invitational and I assume B1G scheduling due to their week early conference tournament. This speculation has MU versus Minnesota or Northwestern. We know MU hosts.

http://www.offtackleempire.com/2017/5/15/15643316/2017-gavitt-games-tipoff-big-ten-big-east-matchups-projected-teams
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on May 19, 2017, 11:37:08 AM
Marquette's improved schedule in 2016-17 helped them reach the NCAA tourney...

http://latenighthoops.com/improved-scheduling-helped-marquette-reach-2016-17-tourney/#.WR8c0PA8KEc
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on May 19, 2017, 12:09:29 PM
Great piece, Jay Bee. For all the continued griping about scheduling that went on last year, this addresses the critical reality that we didn't need to play an elite schedule, we just needed a significant upgrade from 2015-16.

Did we have a "great" schedule last year? No, but we didn't need "great", we just needed "not wretched".
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 19, 2017, 01:21:49 PM
Great piece, Jay Bee. For all the continued griping about scheduling that went on last year, this addresses the critical reality that we didn't need to play an elite schedule, we just needed a significant upgrade from 2015-16.

Did we have a "great" schedule last year? No, but we didn't need "great", we just needed "not wretched".

Yep.  It really comes down to scheduling good buy games, though. Look at a team like Minnesota. Out of conference stregth of schedule of 6. This was their non-con schedule:

vs. Louisiana Lafayette
vs. Texas Arlington
vs. Mount St. Mary's
vs. St. Johns
vs. Arkansas
vs. South Illinois
@. Florida State
vs. Vandy (N)
vs. NJIT
vs. Georgia Southern
vs. Norther Illinois
vs. LIU Brooklyn
vs. Arkansas State

That schedule was rated #6 overall in non-con.  Its all about smart scheduling.  They definitely got lucky with some of those teams, but outside of @ Florida State, that isn't an overly difficult schedule.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on May 19, 2017, 02:03:23 PM
^^^ yep... key to remember is that RPI SOS doesn't really measure how difficult a schedule is. It can be gamed / easily fooled
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2017, 12:15:23 PM
MU hosting Purdue in gavitt games

 Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago

Marquette will host Purdue in the 2017 Gavitt Games, per a source. #mubb
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 20, 2017, 12:17:07 PM
That's a nice game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on May 20, 2017, 12:19:21 PM
MU hosting Purdue in gavitt games

 Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago

Marquette will host Purdue in the 2017 Gavitt Games, per a source. #mubb



Here's hopin' Swanigan stays in the draft.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on May 20, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
Purdue game is Tuesday November 14th
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 20, 2017, 12:49:00 PM
Whoa.  I thought we were for sure getting Minnesota.  Purdue is much better, IMO.  Excellent addition to our schedule.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: djorling on May 20, 2017, 01:05:56 PM
I remember the last time we played Purdue.  1969 in the NCAA regional finals in Madison.   In my view the most heartbreaking loss in MU history.  Ric Cobb missed the second shot of a one and one that would likely have won the game in regulation.  In OT, Rick Mount hits the winning jumper from the corner. We are 0-8 versus Purdue.  Let's get one in the win column this year.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on May 20, 2017, 01:47:48 PM
Whoa.  I thought we were for sure getting Minnesota.  Purdue is much better, IMO.  Excellent addition to our schedule.
Minnesota goes to Providence
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on May 21, 2017, 10:24:20 AM
We get UGA at home, too, correct?  Having two solid non conf home games is great for STHers. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on May 21, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
The key to a good schedule virtually always hinges on the buy games. We've seen 5-6 high major games be wiped out by piss poor buy games, while a strong slate of .500 or better buy opponents can make a schedule with only 3-4 high major games look good.

If Swanigan and Matin are back, and we get Michigan/ND/Wichita in Maui, this could be a top 15-25 non-con with the right buy games. But bad non-con opponents could drag it down to the 200s.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on May 21, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
If Swanigan and Matin are back, and we get Michigan/ND/Wichita in Maui, this could be a top 15-25 non-con with the right buy games. But bad non-con opponents could drag it down to the 200s.

Exactly. Difficult schedule regardless - but the range of whether or not it's a "strong" schedule hinges on the "easy" games..
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Herman Cain on May 22, 2017, 12:22:18 AM
Bill Scholl is working on getting a home and home  or a neutral game with MSU. It probably won't happen this year but maybe sometime in the future. He says Izzo is open minded to it. He has also been working on getting a similar arrangement with UNC, his buddy is the AD there,but Roy is not excited to do it.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 22, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
Bill Scholl is working on getting a home and home  or a neutral game with MSU. It probably won't happen this year but maybe sometime in the future. He says Izzo is open minded to it. He has also been working on getting a similar arrangement with UNC, his buddy is the AD there,but Roy is not excited to do it.

  For the readers of Horse & Hound, this is very Good news indeed.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 22, 2017, 08:36:05 AM
Bill Scholl is working on getting a home and home  or a neutral game with MSU. It probably won't happen this year but maybe sometime in the future. He says Izzo is open minded to it. He has also been working on getting a similar arrangement with UNC, his buddy is the AD there,but Roy is not excited to do it.

Fascinating indeed.  That's awesome that Bill is targeting blue bloods for OOC matchups. 

Roy must be worried that a game against Marquette would mean less study time for his players.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 22, 2017, 08:56:21 AM
I think it's funny that MUFINY says something weird we don't want to hear everyone rags on him and when he posts something we want to hear we all believe it no questions asked
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 22, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
I think it's funny that MUFINY says something weird we don't want to hear everyone rags on him and when he posts something we want to hear we all believe it no questions asked

Oh there are questions. I'm surprised Scholl has time to schedule these home and homes. I would have thought he was busy awarding Wojo his contract extension that MUFINY said was coming immediately after the season ended.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Loose Cannon on May 22, 2017, 09:19:25 AM


Roy must be worried that a game against Marquette would mean less study time for his players.

Roy might think it's part of the General Electric College Bowl Quiz.  No Worries Roy.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on May 22, 2017, 09:23:57 AM
FYI, last year the Maui bracket was announced in mid-July.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on May 22, 2017, 09:33:39 AM
I think it's funny that MUFINY says something weird we don't want to hear everyone rags on him and when he posts something we want to hear we all believe it no questions asked


I really don't take anything he says seriously.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muwarrior69 on May 22, 2017, 09:44:34 AM
I remember the last time we played Purdue.  1969 in the NCAA regional finals in Madison.   In my view the most heartbreaking loss in MU history.  Ric Cobb missed the second shot of a one and one that would likely have won the game in regulation.  In OT, Rick Mount hits the winning jumper from the corner. We are 0-8 versus Purdue.  Let's get one in the win column this year.   

I was there. Have to say the folks in Madison were great. Off hand I can't remember the place, but the owner gave us a round of beers on the house after the game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on May 22, 2017, 10:27:20 AM
I think it's funny that MUFINY says something weird we don't want to hear everyone rags on him and when he posts something we want to hear we all believe it no questions asked

I thought the exact same. I can't see MSU having any interest in giving us a game there when we've gone head to head with them for recruits recently. As far as UNC, I suppose it's not impossible, but they don't do a lot of high major home and homes.

One more insurance of MUFINY just flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on May 22, 2017, 10:32:44 AM
I thought the exact same. I can't see MSU having any interest in giving us a game there when we've gone head to head with them for recruits recently. As far as UNC, I suppose it's not impossible, but they don't do a lot of high major home and homes.

One more insurance of MUFINY just flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks.
Yes, those home-and-homes are hard to come by.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on May 22, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
I thought the exact same. I can't see MSU having any interest in giving us a game there when we've gone head to head with them for recruits recently. As far as UNC, I suppose it's not impossible, but they don't do a lot of high major home and homes.

One more insurance of MUFINY just flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks.

You have to ask yourself, why in the world would Tom Izzo want to play a game in Milwaukee?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on May 22, 2017, 10:36:56 AM
You have to ask yourself, why in the world would Tom Izzo want to play a game in Milwaukee?


He promised Joey a game close to home.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 22, 2017, 10:47:30 AM

He promised Joey a game close to home.

Wouldn't them playing in Madison at least two out of his four years be closer?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on May 22, 2017, 11:16:06 AM
Wouldn't them playing in Madison at least two out of his four years be closer?

Dude, roll with it...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 22, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
Dude, roll with it...

I was going for straight man funny
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on May 22, 2017, 12:06:35 PM

He promised Joey a game close to home.
Getting inside info from MFINY, hey?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on May 22, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
Wouldn't them playing in Madison at least two out of his four years be closer?
Yeah, that was my immediate reaction. Not to mention Minnesota as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on May 22, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
Wojo is prepared to offer Joey 66 games close to home.  The family is very excited about this offer.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Herman Cain on May 22, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
I thought the exact same. I can't see MSU having any interest in giving us a game there when we've gone head to head with them for recruits recently. As far as UNC, I suppose it's not impossible, but they don't do a lot of high major home and homes.

One more insurance of MUFINY just flinging poo at the wall to see what sticks.

Bill Scholl is working on getting a home and home  or a neutral game with MSU. It probably won't happen this year but maybe sometime in the future. He says Izzo is open minded to it. He has also been working on getting a similar arrangement with UNC, his buddy is the AD there,but Roy is not excited to do it.

Maybe you should actually read what I wrote rather than projecting your insecurity .  I said he (Bill Scholl) is working on it. I did not say they were done deals. Izzo has some interest and Roy doesn't at this time. Scholl said he will keep trying.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 22, 2017, 02:26:20 PM
Maybe you should actually read what I wrote rather than projecting your insecurity .  I said he (Bill Scholl) is working on it. I did not say they were done deals. Izzo has some interest and Roy doesn't at this time. Scholl said he will keep trying.

That's bullcrapter 101. Hedge on everything. If youre right,  you're a genius.  If you're wrong,  you can fall back on "working on it."

You might be telling the truth in this case.  If you are,  thanks for the info.  However, you have to understand why many would be skeptical of you as a source.  Your record of predictions isn't very solid and you've been outright caught in lies before. I hope you are right because I would love to see big games like you're describing.  However,  I can't imagine Scholl will feed you more information in the future if you're going to turn around and post it on scoop.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Herman Cain on May 22, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
That's bullcrapter 101. Hedge on everything. If youre right,  you're a genius.  If you're wrong,  you can fall back on "working on it."

You might be telling the truth in this case.  If you are,  thanks for the info.  However, you have to understand why many would be skeptical of you as a source.  Your record of predictions isn't very solid and you've been outright caught in lies before. I hope you are right because I would love to see big games like you're describing.  However,  I can't imagine Scholl will feed you more information in the future if you're going to turn around and post it on scoop.
I guess I have better sources than your smug sorry politically correct snow flake limp azz
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: wadesworld on May 22, 2017, 02:51:53 PM
I guess I have better sources than your smug sorry politically correct snow flake limp azz

You have no sources beyond the voices inside your head.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on May 22, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
You have no sources beyond the voices inside your head.
Yes he does he is well connected to Putin...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on May 22, 2017, 03:02:14 PM
Gonzaga and Creighton schedule home and home series
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 22, 2017, 05:24:54 PM
I guess I have better sources than your smug sorry politically correct snow flake limp azz

Resorting to attempting to insult someone a couple decades your junior and I'm the snowflake?

I did not mean to insult you. I was just trying to provide context on why some,  including myself are skeptical of your latest inside info.  It's possible I've missed things but it seems like most of your predictions have not panned out. Henry will be a four year player.  Wojo will get a contract extension after this season because Lovell has a man crush.  MU will go 4-14 in conference play because the team hates Wojo.  Matt Ryan was recruited by one of Bryce Drews assistants at a former school.  If you'd like to give me some examples of times your "better sources" were correct,  I'd be happy to reevaluate my opinion.  I'm also not sure what sources you are comparing your "better" ones to.  I have no sources,  I'm just some nerd on the internet who spends way too much of his life thinking and writing about college basketball.

I can be smug though.  That was definitely fair. Id like to think I've earned my smugness but it's not a good trait.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on May 22, 2017, 06:25:41 PM
Maybe you should actually read what I wrote rather than projecting your insecurity .  I said he (Bill Scholl) is working on it. I did not say they were done deals. Izzo has some interest and Roy doesn't at this time. Scholl said he will keep trying.

Blah blah blah. You flung poo so that you can gloat if you're right and deflect if you're wrong. Then when called out, you shouted names and ran to your safe place. Who's the snowflake now?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2017, 10:56:53 PM
How's the Wojo extension coming, ai-na?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GB Warrior on May 23, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
I think it's funny that MUFINY says something weird we don't want to hear everyone rags on him and when he posts something we want to hear we all believe it no questions asked

No politics allowed! (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c1/00/cd/c100cd622bc16dc0e9e8eb669135a83c.png)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Aughnanure on May 23, 2017, 10:17:26 AM
Gonzaga and Creighton schedule home and home series

Ugh this just bums me out. Seems so many other Big East teams are getting better Home and Homes. Seton Hall got Louisville! DePaul and Notre Dame.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 23, 2017, 10:53:10 AM
Ugh this just bums me out. Seems so many other Big East teams are getting better Home and Homes. Seton Hall got Louisville! DePaul and Notre Dame.

Smart scheduling by Louisville. They get Seton Hall at home the year they are expected to be a preseason top 5 team and Seton Hall is expected to be back end top 25. Then they go to Seton Hall next year when their monstrous 2013 class all graduates and they will be a back of the Big East team. They still get credit for a road win against a high major even though the Pirates will be awful.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: phoenixphan87 on June 15, 2017, 09:54:23 PM
http://www.gocsucougars.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&schedule&


Everyone's favorite buy game Chicago State on Nov 29th
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Herman Cain on June 15, 2017, 10:28:34 PM
http://www.gocsucougars.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&schedule&


Everyone's favorite buy game Chicago State on Nov 29th
Don't understand why we can't do a buy game with Loyola of Chicago. At least there would be some  fan interest and the game would be competitive.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: dgies9156 on June 15, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
I remember the last time we played Purdue.  1969 in the NCAA regional finals in Madison.   In my view the most heartbreaking loss in MU history.  Ric Cobb missed the second shot of a one and one that would likely have won the game in regulation.  In OT, Rick Mount hits the winning jumper from the corner. We are 0-8 versus Purdue.  Let's get one in the win column this year.   

Slight technicality, Cobb missed the first one and made the second, which sent the game to OT. Until we lost to NC State, that was the hardest loss I ever remember. So close and yet sooo far.

You're right about Rick Mount, who is to Purdue what George Thompson or Jim Chinas is to us. Mount grew up in Lebanon, Indiana, about 30 miles SE of West Lafayette. He's about 70 and is still revered locally for his high school prowess.

Let's kick some boiler backside!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 15, 2017, 11:13:26 PM
http://www.gocsucougars.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&schedule&


Everyone's favorite buy game Chicago State on Nov 29th

Ugh. Don't see any way that one's not an RPI stinker.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: source? on June 16, 2017, 03:08:10 AM
http://www.gocsucougars.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&schedule&


Everyone's favorite buy game Chicago State on Nov 29th

Iowa, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Wisconsin, us. That's 6 teams buying them and they never go further than Iowa. They probably just funded their entire athletics department for a couple years.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on June 16, 2017, 08:21:00 AM
Don't understand why we can't do a buy game with Loyola of Chicago. At least there would be some  fan interest and the game would be competitive.


Loyola won't do buy games as a member of the MVC.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 16, 2017, 08:54:10 AM
Iowa, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Wisconsin, us. That's 6 teams buying them and they never go further than Iowa. They probably just funded their entire athletics department for a couple years.

Funny story, their basketball coach, Tracy Didly, is the current acting athletic director for Chicago State. So he's probably just being fiscally responsible!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on June 16, 2017, 08:56:32 AM
Funny story, their basketball coach, Tracy Didly, is the current acting athletic director for Chicago State. So he's probably just being fiscally responsible!


Wasn't Tracy Didly the name of the hooker in the Louisville case?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 16, 2017, 08:58:27 AM
Funny story, their basketball coach, Tracy Didly, is the current acting athletic director for Chicago State.

Fitting because a game against Chicago St is worth didly.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 16, 2017, 09:00:28 AM

Wasn't Tracy Didly the name of the hooker in the Louisville case?

That was Katrina Powell....but that was funny
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: barfolomew on June 16, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
Iowa, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Wisconsin, us. That's 6 teams buying them and they never go further than Iowa. They probably just funded their entire athletics department for a couple years.

Wonder if Chicago State will have to close its doors before it plays any of those games...
Hope MU has not paid in advance.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 16, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
Iowa, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Wisconsin, us. That's 6 teams buying them and they never go further than Iowa. They probably just funded their entire athletics department for a couple years.

More like funded their university, which is in serious danger of shutting down.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: barfolomew on June 16, 2017, 01:33:00 PM
More like funded their university, which is in serious danger of shutting down.

That's a great point Billy Ho'... wish I'd made it.   ;)

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/At8j8K5zMfEgo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on June 16, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
Broeker tweeted that it is a postponed game from last year
https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/875495808027807744
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2017, 10:45:24 AM
Here's the schedule as it stands:

Quite possible that the season opener will be American. Seems like MSM would make sense before we go to Maui, but that makes Nov. 16 as the only real option, as the team will likely be traveling by the 17th. Finals are December 11th-16th, so likely no games then and I'd guess Dec. 19th or 20th will be Froling's debut. As the Big East will probably start play the 27th-28th, that means Harry will probably only have 2 games to get acclimated before our first Big East game.

EDIT: Also, this is why Marquette should release the entire schedule at once, rather than piece-by-piece. We already know 8/13 dates and 9/13 opponents (with Maui being from a set pool). Pretty pointless to roll it out slowly.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 28, 2017, 10:50:25 AM
There should still be 2 or 3 games/opponents yet to be announced, right?  Assuming buy games, but hoping for another decent game. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 28, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
Broeker tweeted that it is a postponed game from last year
https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/875495808027807744

I wonder if that was the 13th OOC game, and that we can expect to be back to 13 this year??
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2017, 11:21:53 AM
There should still be 2 or 3 games/opponents yet to be announced, right?  Assuming buy games, but hoping for another decent game.

If I were guessing, I'd say it will ultimately look like this:

The lines in black are already set in stone. I am confident the season opener will be Nov. 10, but don't know who the opponent will be. This leaves us with 4 unknown opponents. I expect they will all be buy games. My sincere hope is that one is top-150, about on par with Fresno last year, and the other three are projected in the 150-250 range. Really like to see American and Chicago State as the two worst projected teams on the schedule.

I'm also guessing on Maui, but my expectation is they will have the big mid-majors (Wichita & VCU) play in the first round, and be hoping for a Wichita/ND final. That likely gives Chaminade to ND in the first round. Considering we've played Michigan and LSU the past two years in exempt tournies, they may try to keep us away from them initially, which puts us on the ND side against California in the first round. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us matching with Cal, Michigan, LSU, or VCU in the first round.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: barfolomew on June 28, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
This leaves us with 4 unknown opponents. I expect they will all be buy games. My sincere hope is that one is top-150, about on par with Fresno last year, and the other three are projected in the 150-250 range. Really like to see American and Chicago State as the two worst projected teams on the schedule.

I think those are pretty good guesses, Brew.

I would personally like to see one of the buy games exchanged with a 3-for-1 or even a 2-for-1 with an MVC or A10 team. It seems we've been screwed recently RPI-wise by sub-250 teams that looked decent at the time of scheduling.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on June 28, 2017, 02:20:36 PM
Great work brew.  Personally, I'd make a minor change. I do think they'll play a buy game on December 16th as Finals end.  This past year was the first time they didn't in recent memory.  They could do December 16, 19/20, and 22/23 eliminating that need for an 11/16 to get squeezed in before Maui.  But all 3 are Buy games for sure.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on June 28, 2017, 02:21:30 PM
If I were guessing, I'd say it will ultimately look like this:

  • Nov. 10 - American
  • Nov. 14 - Purdue
  • Nov. 16 - Mount St. Mary's
  • Nov. 20 - Maui California
  • Nov. 21 - Maui Notre Dame/Chaminade
  • Nov. 22 - Maui Wichita State/VCU/Michigan/LSU
  • Nov. 26 - Buy Game
  • Nov. 29 - Chicago State
  • Dec. 2 - Georgia
  • Dec. 5 - Buy Game
  • Dec. 9 - @ Wisconsin
  • Dec. 19 - Buy Game
  • Dec. 23 - Buy Game
  • Dec. 27 - Big East Play Begins
The lines in black are already set in stone. I am confident the season opener will be Nov. 10, but don't know who the opponent will be. This leaves us with 4 unknown opponents. I expect they will all be buy games. My sincere hope is that one is top-150, about on par with Fresno last year, and the other three are projected in the 150-250 range. Really like to see American and Chicago State as the two worst projected teams on the schedule.

I'm also guessing on Maui, but my expectation is they will have the big mid-majors (Wichita & VCU) play in the first round, and be hoping for a Wichita/ND final. That likely gives Chaminade to ND in the first round. Considering we've played Michigan and LSU the past two years in exempt tournies, they may try to keep us away from them initially, which puts us on the ND side against California in the first round. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us matching with Cal, Michigan, LSU, or VCU in the first round.

If they seed the teams based off preseason expectations have to believe it would be MU/VCU with WSU waiting.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2017, 02:54:23 PM
If they seed the teams based off preseason expectations have to believe it would be MU/VCU with WSU waiting.

In recent years, when Maui has two mid-majors, they've paired them together. Dayton and Gonzaga in 2013 then BYU and San Diego State in 2014 stand out in that regard.

I don't think they actually "seed" the tournament. I think the main focuses are to get the best possible final (on paper WSU/ND) and getting Chaminade into primetime (usually the first evening slot). I don't think we will see Chaminade or WSU on the first day, but anyone else is possible. Here's my rationale for games...

Wichita State/VCU: The mid-major faceoff, opener on the first day to draw attention with a top-5 team.
Michigan/LSU: Two teams with national followings, also two teams we've played the past two years. Not sure if they'll pay attention to that, but that's the rationale I'm using.
Chaminade/Notre Dame: Silverswords generally get one of the bigger names, and ND has the biggest following.
Cal/Marquette: Sets up the potential Catholic rivalry game. Could easily see this changed with the Michigan/LSU game, or any of those four interchanged between games.

I'm sure some of these will be wrong, either way we should know in about 3-4 weeks, as they usually announce the second half of July.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 30, 2017, 04:41:01 AM
I think those are pretty good guesses, Brew.

I would personally like to see one of the buy games exchanged with a 3-for-1 or even a 2-for-1 with an MVC or A10 team. It seems we've been screwed recently RPI-wise by sub-250 teams that looked decent at the time of scheduling.

Economics does matta.  Must have that many buy games.  Every year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on June 30, 2017, 10:19:46 AM
Economics does matta.  Must have that many buy games.  Every year.

Here's my idea that would guarantee 16 home games every year (we've had as few as 16 recently) & most years 17, with one more for an exhibition:

That's 13 games that would give us 5-6 high majors per year, 1-2 high majors at home per year, 2-3 road games per year, and generally a higher quality of schedule. With an exhibition, we would guarantee 17-19 games at the Silk Exotic Entertainment Center per year, in line with most seasons (I think we've only had one with 20+ in recent memory).

And while RPI is supposedly going to be less of a focus, schedule quality will still matter. SOS will still matter and advanced metrics like Pomeroy still use schedule quality as an important part of their ratings.

It would take more planning, and finding multiple mid-major partners, but if you can get say Detroit, Western Michigan, Loyola-Chicago, and Air Force, all of which we have some history with, and give them a marquee game every few years in exchange for a better home schedule for us, I think it's worth it. And if you know who you are playing because it's a contracted deal, it should be easier to lock them into dates early rather than having to scramble last minute (thus alleviating some of the second-choice scheduling issues).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 30, 2017, 10:23:48 AM
Looks good brew.  I know that it's been said that we aren't in the business of doing 3 for 1s.  Something about the economics.  I have no idea if it's legitimate or an excuse.  But that's a schedule that I would love to see as a fan.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on June 30, 2017, 10:27:30 AM
Looks good brew.  I know that it's been said that we aren't in the business of doing 3 for 1s.  Something about the economics.  I have no idea if it's legitimate or an excuse.  But that's a schedule that I would love to see as a fan.

I've been told repeatedly they don't want to give up a home game if they aren't getting a high-major in return. Which I get, but I think this would lead to a stronger schedule, a more balanced and entertaining home schedule, better positioning for March, and all that without sacrificing home games. If they want more punch in the home games, they could either go with 3 MM 2-for-1 series or reduce the number of true buy games to 1 while adding another HM home-and-home, alternating with the one already slated in there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: barfolomew on June 30, 2017, 11:23:38 AM
I've been told repeatedly they don't want to give up a home game if they aren't getting a high-major in return. Which I get, but I think this would lead to a stronger schedule, a more balanced and entertaining home schedule, better positioning for March, and all that without sacrificing home games. If they want more punch in the home games, they could either go with 3 MM 2-for-1 series or reduce the number of true buy games to 1 while adding another HM home-and-home, alternating with the one already slated in there.

+1

Even if you have to do three true buy games to get to the magic number (either 16 or 17), it's better than having to do four or even five.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: SlowJoe on July 10, 2017, 08:48:32 PM
Starting to unveil the schedule for next year and the exhibition game is against Lindenwood on November 4th.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: bradley center bat on July 10, 2017, 09:02:00 PM
Going by the invoice on season tickets for the Bradley Center charge. Marquette will have 18 home dates that includes the exhibition game. So, unless something ends up on the road, MU will play 12 non-conference games.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 10, 2017, 11:26:41 PM
Going by the invoice on season tickets for the Bradley Center charge. Marquette will have 18 home dates that includes the exhibition game. So, unless something ends up on the road, MU will play 12 non-conference games.

If ever there's a year when we'd get a shock non-conference opponent starting on the road, this would be that year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 11, 2017, 12:11:35 AM
If ever there's a year when we'd get a shock non-conference opponent starting on the road, this would be that year.

Like on the way to Maui?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 11, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
Like on the way to Maui?

I would guess either on the way back or later on in December.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: DienerTime34 on July 11, 2017, 12:29:11 PM
I've been told repeatedly they don't want to give up a home game if they aren't getting a high-major in return. Which I get, but I think this would lead to a stronger schedule, a more balanced and entertaining home schedule, better positioning for March, and all that without sacrificing home games. If they want more punch in the home games, they could either go with 3 MM 2-for-1 series or reduce the number of true buy games to 1 while adding another HM home-and-home, alternating with the one already slated in there.

Couldn't they go back to having 2 exhibition games, forcing the Season Ticket Holders to buy it, and be good from an economic standpoint? Couldn't that replace a Buy Game, or do the 14 walk-up tickets bought on a Tuesday night in November too much to pass up?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 12, 2017, 09:19:24 AM
Eastern Illinois on Monday, November 27 added. Ohio Valley team that has been in the 200-300 range every year under Jay Spoonhour. Will likely start 4 seniors. They lost their best player to graduation, and two other bench players transferred, but this could be a top-200 game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 12, 2017, 09:26:44 AM
EIU is a very solid buy game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 12, 2017, 11:43:00 AM
Chicago State confirmed for Nov 29. Georgia should be next, then presumably tomorrow will start with a buy game before Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 12, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
So far we got:

11/4: vs. Lindenwood (exhibition)
11/10: vs. Mount St. Marys
11/14: vs. Purdue
11/20 - 11/22: THREE MAUI GAMES
11/27: Eastern Illinois
11/29: Chicago State

Still have Georgia, Wisconsin and American on TBD dates.  And then 2 or three more buy games, presumably.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 12, 2017, 02:44:11 PM
Georgia on 12/2. Three games tomorrow, 4 total remaining. First game tomorrow likely a buy game on 12/5 (they said 4-game home stand), followed by 12/9 Wisconsin. Then Froling eligible to debut 12/16 and one likely buy to wrap up the schedule around 12/20.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 12, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Georgia on 12/2. Three games tomorrow, 4 total remaining. First game tomorrow likely a buy game on 12/5 (they said 4-game home stand), followed by 12/9 Wisconsin. Then Froling eligible to debut 12/16 and one likely buy to wrap up the schedule around 12/20.

Nevermind.  Looking like they're going to have a 12 game non-con again.  Still don't get why you wouldn't play all the games you're allotted.

4 to announce - 2 of which are Wisconsin and American. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 12, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
Georgia on 12/2. Three games tomorrow, 4 total remaining. First game tomorrow likely a buy game on 12/5 (they said 4-game home stand), followed by 12/9 Wisconsin. Then Froling eligible to debut 12/16 and one likely buy to wrap up the schedule around 12/20.
Froling is not eligible to play 12/16 as that is the last day of exams and the last day of the semester.  Luke Fischer was not able to play in a similar situation.  Grades need to be released.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: barfolomew on July 12, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
Nevermind.  Looking like they're going to have a 12 game non-con again.  Still don't get why you wouldn't play all the games you're allotted.

4 to announce - 2 of which are Wisconsin and American.

It's possible they could still do one during their conference bye week, right?  Probably hard to find many dance partners in Jan/Feb, though.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: cheebs09 on July 12, 2017, 04:28:00 PM
3 being announced tomorrow and 1 on Friday. Do you think it's 3 buy games and then Wisconsin on Friday? Or it's an unknown high major that they are saving for Friday?

I'm going to guess Wisconsin is announced Friday, but I'll get my hopes up a little anyways.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 12, 2017, 04:33:47 PM
3 being announced tomorrow and 1 on Friday. Do you think it's 3 buy games and then Wisconsin on Friday? Or it's an unknown high major that they are saving for Friday?

I'm going to guess Wisconsin is announced Friday, but I'll get my hopes up a little anyways.

They've announced everything chronologically. That means tomorrow will be 12/5 Buy Game, 12/9 Wisconsin (we already know), and likely another buy game on 12/16 or later. As soon as Froling's grades post, he can play.

Froling is not eligible to play 12/16 as that is the last day of exams and the last day of the semester.  Luke Fischer was not able to play in a similar situation.  Grades need to be released.

Your memory of that is wrong. Luke first played on the Tuesday after finals. The game before that was 10 days earlier against Wisconsin, which was before Finals and he obviously would've been ineligible.  Any game after 12/16, as long as Harry's grades are posted, he can play. They would have to rush them out on 12/16 and may hold off to play until Tuesday or Wednesday (especially in light of only playing 12 non-con games), but 12/16 is the earliest he could play.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 12, 2017, 04:50:27 PM
They've announced everything chronologically. That means tomorrow will be 12/5 Buy Game, 12/9 Wisconsin (we already know), and likely another buy game on 12/16 or later. As soon as Froling's grades post, he can play.

Your memory of that is wrong. Luke first played on the Tuesday after finals. The game before that was 10 days earlier against Wisconsin, which was before Finals and he obviously would've been ineligible.  Any game after 12/16, as long as Harry's grades are posted, he can play. They would have to rush them out on 12/16 and may hold off to play until Tuesday or Wednesday (especially in light of only playing 12 non-con games), but 12/16 is the earliest he could play.
12/16 is a Saturday and the last day of the semester.  Harry can't play that day.  Just this same as in Luke's case when he could not have played that last Saturday if there had been a scheduled game.  That was discussed ad nauseum at the time.  Crux of the matter is that 12/16/17 is still part of the academic year that Harry has to sit out as it would have been with Luke that year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 12, 2017, 04:53:06 PM
I'd love to see this ad nauseum discussion of a game day that didn't exist. So everyone had thoughts on the "what if" we played on Dec 13? Color me skeptical, and unless you have evidence of this, I don't remotely believe that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 12, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
I'd love to see this ad nauseum discussion of a game day that didn't exist. So everyone had thoughts on the "what if" we played on Dec 13? Color me skeptical, and unless you have evidence of this, I don't remotely believe that.
Brew, the reason there was not a game for 10 days after the UW game was to get as many NC games as possible for Luke.  In any event, my main original  point was that Harry cannot play on 12/16/17 as you suggested in your post.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 12, 2017, 04:59:33 PM
Quite possible, but I still have zero belief there was an ad nauseum discussion about a hypothetical that was never close to occurring.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: wadesworld on July 12, 2017, 05:36:52 PM
And this is why they're rolling the schedule out a few days at a time.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 12, 2017, 06:22:57 PM
Quite possible, but I still have zero belief there was an ad nauseum discussion about a hypothetical that was never close to occurring.
well there was a lot of discussion on the various MU boards.  In any event, you continue to avoid my point.  Harry cannot play on 12/26 as you suggest. ( irrespective of whether there is a game that Saturday or not ).   ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: KampusFoods on July 13, 2017, 08:37:36 AM
December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 13, 2017, 09:09:22 AM
December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

This is exactly the type of game that greatly improves your RPI.  Well done, Broeker.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: #UnleashSean on July 13, 2017, 09:11:00 AM
December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

If we're scared of Vermont at home in wojos 4th season with all the pieces he brought in...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Bocephys on July 13, 2017, 09:11:51 AM
December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

You people are impossible to please.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 09:31:43 AM
well there was a lot of discussion on the various MU boards.  In any event, you continue to avoid my point.  Harry cannot play on 12/26 as you suggest. ( irrespective of whether there is a game that Saturday or not ).   ;)

Reading the transfer rules, all I see is that the player must complete two semesters with a full minimum course load. Once Harry completes that load and grades are out to prove it, he would be eligible. 12/16, provided grades are posted, is the earliest he could play. If there's a more detailed description than this (https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=24663) it may mean 12/17 or later.

Regardless, Vermont is huge. Bigger even than Fresno last year because they have been so consistent. In 6 years under John Becker, every season they were top-200 RPI and top-151 Pomeroy. This is the kind of game I get excited about because winning games like this at home as opposed to Grambling is critical in determining bids and seeding.

Even if they go away from RPI, every metric uses schedule strength and the NCAA won't stop paying attention to who you play. Massive game.

They do graduate two seniors and lost one bench player to transfer, but they will still be good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
Reading the transfer rules, all I see is that the player must complete two semesters with a full minimum course load. Once Harry completes that load and grades are out to prove it, he would be eligible. 12/16, provided grades are posted, is the earliest he could play. If there's a more detailed description than this (https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=24663) it may mean 12/17 or later.

Once again, 12/16 is part of the first semester and grades do not need to be posted until the following Tuesday.  You won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16,  whether or not there is a game that day.  I noted Luke earlier.  From a different direction, Niv Berkowitz (yeah. yeah. I know ) could not play against Arizona back when because that game was being played on the last day of that 1st semester.  Look it up.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on July 13, 2017, 09:45:25 AM
As a STH...I love this schedule.  It's hard to make every game and when you're handing out tickets to Southern Grambling State people look at you like you're giving them Wave tickets, or worse. 

Now when you can say American, Vermont, even Eastern.  They've heard of those and appreciate the gesture.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 09:58:40 AM
Once again, 12/16 is part of the first semester and grades do not need to be posted until the following Tuesday.  You won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16,  whether or not there is a game that day.  I noted Luke earlier.  From a different direction, Niv Berkowitz (yeah. yeah. I know ) could not play against Arizona back when because that game was being played on the last day of that 1st semester.  Look it up.

I looked up the NCAA rules and provided them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 10:02:43 AM
Reading the transfer rules, all I see is that the player must complete two semesters with a full minimum course load. Once Harry completes that load and grades are out to prove it, he would be eligible. 12/16, provided grades are posted, is the earliest he could play. If there's a more detailed description than this (https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=24663) it may mean 12/17 or later.

Regardless, Vermont is huge. Bigger even than Fresno last year because they have been so consistent. In 6 years under John Becker, every season they were top-200 RPI and top-151 Pomeroy. This is the kind of game I get excited about because winning games like this at home as opposed to Grambling is critical in determining bids and seeding.

Even if they go away from RPI, every metric uses schedule strength and the NCAA won't stop paying attention to who you play. Massive game.

They do graduate two seniors and lost one bench player to transfer, but they will still be good.

Brew, Marquette isn't going to post grades early for one basketball player and field all the calls about 'special treatment'.  Tuesday, December 19th at 5p, just like every single other student my good man.  If there's a game that night, he plays.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 10:06:56 AM
I looked up the NCAA rules and provided them.
See what jsglow posted.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 10:07:24 AM
If we're scared of Vermont at home in wojos 4th season with all the pieces he brought in...

I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on July 13, 2017, 10:24:19 AM
Great add to the schedule.  I was terrified about seeing Chicago State again.  This makes up for it.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 13, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
Brew, Marquette isn't going to post grades early for one basketball player and field all the calls about 'special treatment'.  Tuesday, December 19th at 5p, just like every single other student my good man.  If there's a game that night, he plays.

Is Marquette really that robotic in when grades are posted? At TAMU, its up to each individual professor to post grades. Some get posted the last possible day, some get posted the same day as the final (i.e. a week before the last day of the semester).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 13, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
Vermont is a tremendous add to the non-conference schedule. You can't really ask for a better buy game. They are a legit top 75 team in the country and they play in a conference where no team is even close to their equal. They will run roughshod through the America East and all those wins will do wonders for our RPI.

To those who are scared, this is a team we should beat at home 9 times out of 10.

To those who aren't scared, this is the kind of team that can come into a high major gym and win. I don't think being scared is correct, but you've got to give a team like Vermont respect.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 10:35:10 AM
Is Marquette really that robotic in when grades are posted? At TAMU, its up to each individual professor to post grades. Some get posted the last possible day, some get posted the same day as the final (i.e. a week before the last day of the semester).

Simple answer TAMU, yes.  Now professors can tell students their grades early but CheckMarq literally 'locks' in terms of grades until 5p on Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 13, 2017, 10:39:38 AM
Simple answer TAMU, yes.  Now professors can tell students their grades early but CheckMarq literally 'locks' in terms of grades until 5p on Tuesday.

Interesting. That seems silly to me but I'm sure there's a good reason behind it.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 10:45:30 AM
Interesting. That seems silly to me but I'm sure there's a good reason behind it.

Let me try to describe the reasoning and then let's let this drop as it gets too far into the weeds.  MU's academic calendar is set in stone.  Grades post on such and such date.  Grades can be appealed until such and such date.  Classes can be dropped with a grade W until such and such date. They adhere rigidly to all those standards so there won't be disputes about anything.

It's kinda like your .08% BAC threshold for consent, my brother!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 13, 2017, 10:50:35 AM
Interesting. That seems silly to me but I'm sure there's a good reason behind it.

It was the same when you were there. I remember freshman year checkmarq would sometimes be overloaded because the moment grades were posted all the students would log on at the same time.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 10:53:07 AM
It was the same when you were there. I remember freshman year checkmarq would sometimes be overloaded because the moment grades were posted all the students would log on at the same time.

Holding out for those Cs, hey bags?  (Too easy.  Had to.   ;D)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 13, 2017, 11:01:01 AM
It was the same when you were there. I remember freshman year checkmarq would sometimes be overloaded because the moment grades were posted all the students would log on at the same time.

I'm sure it was. I never really cared about checking my grades ASAP. I usually would remember at some point during winter break "Oh I wonder what my final grades were" and then would log on.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Marquette4life on July 13, 2017, 11:04:13 AM
Vermont? That's a good game. These are the kind of games we should be scheduling
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 11:04:57 AM
Brew, Marquette isn't going to post grades early for one basketball player and field all the calls about 'special treatment'.  Tuesday, December 19th at 5p, just like every single other student my good man.  If there's a game that night, he plays.

Which changes nothing of what I said. Marquette may not let him play until Tuesday because of institution specific policies, but he would be eligible with grades on Saturday per NCAA rules.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 13, 2017, 11:17:17 AM
Holding out for those Cs, hey bags?  (Too easy.  Had to.   ;D)

C's for degrees!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 12:10:49 PM
Which changes nothing of what I said. Marquette may not let him play until Tuesday because of institution specific policies, but he would be eligible with grades on Saturday per NCAA rules.
NCAA rules say a transfer from a four year school must be in residence for a full academic year prior to being eligible.  For Harry (and same with Luke previously,) that 2nd semester of his "academic year" in residence includes the last day of that "academic year" which would be 12/16/17.  Not an MU thing. Again, you won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16/17.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 13, 2017, 12:12:17 PM
Tuesday, December 19th at 5p, just like every single other student my good man.

...but that time is NOT when grades must be submitted by.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 12:18:46 PM
NCAA rules say a transfer from a four year school must be in residence for a full academic year prior to being eligible.  For Harry (and same with Luke previously,) that 2nd semester of his "academic year" in residence includes the last day of that "academic year" which would be 12/16/17.  Not an MU thing. Again, you won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16/17.
A PS on the subject.  In Wojos's 3 season at MU, there has not been a game on the Saturday following the Wisconsin game.  Not sure if that's a Wojo/Duke thing about scheduling after the end of the 1st semester or not.  In any event, its quite likely that MU will not have a game on 12/16.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 12:24:55 PM
NCAA rules say a transfer from a four year school must be in residence for a full academic year prior to being eligible.  For Harry (and same with Luke previously,) that 2nd semester of his "academic year" in residence includes the last day of that "academic year" which would be 12/16/17.  Not an MU thing. Again, you won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16/17.

I linked the rules. That is not what they state. Once he has been enrolled and completed two semesters of work, he is eligible. According to the rules, he could be eligible as soon as his last final was over.

Go read the document I linked. If there's something I'm missing, feel free to cite it, otherwise you're tilting at windmills.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
I linked the rules. That is not what they state. Once he has been enrolled and completed two semesters of work, he is eligible. According to the rules, he could be eligible as soon as his last final was over.

Go read the document I linked. If there's something I'm missing, feel free to cite it, otherwise you're tilting at windmills.
Where is the link?  Don't see it.   Also, see my post about games after WI and 1st semester.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 12:29:05 PM
Unless there's a "the student must complete their work, then wait for everyone else enrolled simultaneously to also complete their work" clause that I missed...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Marcus92 on July 13, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

Expect a good game. But don't fear the Catamounts.

Vermont finished 63rd in KenPom's rankings for 2016-17. Last season, Marquette lost just one game at home to teams ranked outside the Top 25 — a 79-78 heartbreaker to #60 Providence — going 13-0 against the rest. That included wins against #69 Georgetown, #51 Seton Hall, #31 Xavier and #28 Creighton.

It's also worth taking a closer look at Vermont's schedule and results. Their impressive 29-6 record didn't include a single win against a Top 100 opponent. Losses included #60 Providence, #52 Houston and #159 Northeastern — all ranked well below #32 Marquette.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
Which changes nothing of what I said. Marquette may not let him play until Tuesday because of institution specific policies, but he would be eligible with grades on Saturday per NCAA rules.

We agree. But the reality is that he won't be playing on 12/16.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
...but that time is NOT when grades must be submitted by.

You're 100% correct.  If memory serves, grades must be submitted no later than noon that same day.  Six in one, half dozen in the other.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 12:55:25 PM
Expect a good game. But don't fear the Catamounts.

Under Coach John Becker, Vermont is 1-20 in non-con games against top-100 teams according to Pomeroy. The lone win was at Harvard in December 2012. This is an ideal low-risk, high-reward game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 13, 2017, 02:17:41 PM
Northern Illinois was announced 20 minutes ago.

11/4: vs. Lindenwood (exhibition)
11/10: vs. Mount St. Marys
11/14: vs. Purdue
11/20 - 11/22: THREE MAUI GAMES
11/27: vs. Eastern Illinois
11/29: vs. Chicago State
12/2: vs. Georgia
12/5: vs. Vermont
12/9: @ Wisconsin
12/18: vs. Northern Illinois

Then you have vs. American on some date in between NIU and BE play. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 02:25:33 PM
Northern Illinois is another decent add. They did lose three starters, one to graduation and two to transfer, but return enough to stay competitive, including Jaylen Key, son of former Marquette star Damon.

The MAC hasn't had a single sub-300 kenpom team in five years. They are unspectacular, but also undoubtedly solid.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 13, 2017, 02:26:01 PM
Lots of Illinois directional going on there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 02:34:15 PM
Also, this game will be played on Monday, December 18. From what I understand of what Nukem and glow are saying, Froling won't be eligible until Tuesday, December 19 after grades have posted to CheckMarq.

So the question becomes if Harry plays in this game. I am confident he will be eligible and play despite this being before the scheduled release of grades. Anyone disagree?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: mu03eng on July 13, 2017, 02:38:18 PM
Lots of Illinois directional going on there.

We're fixing your debt problem one buy game at a time  8-) :P
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 02:54:38 PM
Also, this game will be played on Monday, December 18. From what I understand of what Nukem and glow are saying, Froling won't be eligible until Tuesday, December 19 after grades have posted to CheckMarq.

So the question becomes if Harry plays in this game. I am confident he will be eligible and play despite this being before the scheduled release of grades. Anyone disagree?
I don't think glow is correct.  The semester will be officially over.  Whether there is "preferential" treatment as to release of grades is a non-starter here as its not an NCAA issue. The NCAA/eligibility issue is the completion of the academic year in residence. And, Harry would have completed that. Some non-athletes could complain, but that's not going anywhere. I think you will see Harry playing on 12/18 because he will have completed his eligibility requirements ( along with help from the staff in getting those grades).  Jusy what it is.

P.S., once again under Wojo there is no Saturday game after the UW game as per my earlier post.  Guess he just does not want to have one of those ultra-sloppy post-exam-week games due to lack of practice time..  Also, helps Harry to be eligible for one more game....  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 13, 2017, 02:55:25 PM
NIU is a solid though not great add. I expect them to finish in the bottom third of the MAC. They'll probably end up in the mid 200s for RPI if I had to guess (not that opponent's RPI actually matters).

Not a bad schedule. There are some potential pitfalls because the good games are really good and the bad games are really bad. If I had to sort them into tiers I would match them like this:

Legitimate Challenges (loss likely to probable)
Purdue
Wichita State (Maui)
Notre Dame (Maui)
Michigan (Maui)
@Wisconsin

Hard Fought Wins (loss unlikely but probable)
VCU (Maui)
LSU (Maui)
Cal (Maui)
Georgia
Vermont

Solid Buy Games (loss extremely unlikely)
Mount St Mary's
Eastern Illinois
Northern Illinois

Clunkers (loss=Hiroshima)
Chicago State
American

Doesn't Effect RPI
Lindenwood
Chaminade (Maui)

A lot depends on the placement in Maui. Got to find a way to get at least one win from that top tier. Even if we sweep the other tiers, OOC resume doesn't look good if our top win is Georgia or Vermont at home. Ideally, we get matched with LSU, Cal, or VCU in the first round.That gives us a solid OOC win in the first round and likely two shots at top tier teams in the 2nd and 3rd round.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 03:07:28 PM
I don't think glow is correct.  The semester will be officially over.  Whether there is "preferential" treatment as to release of grades is a non-starter here as its not an NCAA issue. The NCAA/eligibility issue is the completion of the academic year in residence. And, Harry would have completed that. Some non-athletes could complain, but that's not going anywhere. I think you will see Harry playing on 12/18 because he will have completed his eligibility requirements ( along with help from the staff in getting those grades).  Jusy what it is.

He will complete those requirements once he takes his last final. So at the latest, he will be eligible Saturday. The only thing that materially changes between his last final (which at the latest will be Saturday, but could be days earlier) and Tuesday is the official release of grades.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 03:13:14 PM
I don't think glow is correct.

And if you don't think glow is correct, why did you specifically refer me to his post a few hours ago?  :o

See what jsglow posted.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
And if you don't think glow is correct, why did you specifically refer me to his post a few hours ago?  :o
changed my mind, that's all.  In any event, Harry could not have played on the 16th since the academic semester was not over.  The NCAA does not have mid-day criteria. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
changed my mind, that's all.  In any event, Harry could not have played on the 16th since the academic semester was not over.  The NCAA does not have mid-day criteria.

Nor do they have an end of semester criteria. I linked it. Once work is done, he's eligible. Go back and read the rule. If you find something that contradicts it in the rules, please share.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 13, 2017, 04:58:54 PM
Nor do they have an end of semester criteria. I linked it. Once work is done, he's eligible. Go back and read the rule. If you find something that contradicts it in the rules, please share.

Once work is done **and results are known**
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on July 13, 2017, 08:04:14 PM
Once work is done **and results are known**

I have no idea what is what in regards to this..I don't know who's right and who's wrong here, and frankly I don't really care..but my question is...JayBee you say *and results are known*. Couldn't it be that Harry and MU Coaches know his results before they are OFFICIALLY posted?? In that case, what's the difference??
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: marquette20 on July 13, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
Once work is done **and results are known**

Students have acess to results on Tuesday, but they are known well in advance.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
Once work is done **and results are known**

Right. Either way, specific dates are artificial deadlines. Heck, if he had 4 independent study classes, he could probably be eligible before finals even begin, from a hypothetical perspective.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 09:02:04 PM
Right. Either way, specific dates are artificial deadlines. Heck, if he had 4 independent study classes, he could probably be eligible before finals even begin, from a hypothetical perspective.
Does not work that way.  It's the school's regular calendar/schedule. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: mu03eng on July 13, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
Anonymous Eagle confirms Froling will be eligible to play on the 18th

https://twitter.com/AnonymousEagle/status/885581680047771649 (https://twitter.com/AnonymousEagle/status/885581680047771649)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 13, 2017, 09:32:22 PM
Anonymous Eagle confirms Froling will be eligible to play on the 18th

https://twitter.com/AnonymousEagle/status/885581680047771649 (https://twitter.com/AnonymousEagle/status/885581680047771649)
Wel yeah, duh......
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 13, 2017, 10:37:08 PM
Does not work that way.  It's the school's regular calendar/schedule.

Provide evidence. So far I've given the NCAA rules, which are now supported by the Anonymous Eagle report. You've provided opinion and conjecture.

Provide evidence. Otherwise you may as well be saying the sky is green.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Bocephys on July 14, 2017, 03:45:36 AM
Provide evidence. So far I've given the NCAA rules, which are now supported by the Anonymous Eagle report. You've provided opinion and conjecture.

Provide evidence. Otherwise you may as well be saying the sky is green.

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/inamericaandireland/images/6/68/Green-sky.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110507164310)

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 07:17:40 AM
Also, this game will be played on Monday, December 18. From what I understand of what Nukem and glow are saying, Froling won't be eligible until Tuesday, December 19 after grades have posted to CheckMarq.

So the question becomes if Harry plays in this game. I am confident he will be eligible and play despite this being before the scheduled release of grades. Anyone disagree?

I guess we'll all see together.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 07:39:28 AM
I guess we'll all see together.

Let's make some wagers.

There are two things going on -- we could bet whether or not Harry plays on 12/18. I'd bet on the "he will" side.

The other and frankly more interesting question is "when could he play?", which I believe is earlier than 12/18, but there likely won't be a game on the schedule that will provide proof to some of you.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 07:56:28 AM
Let's make some wagers.

There are two things going on -- we could bet whether or not Harry plays on 12/18. I'd bet on the "he will" side.

The other and frankly more interesting question is "when could he play?", which I believe is earlier than 12/18, but there likely won't be a game on the schedule that will provide proof to some of you.

JB, I honestly don't care that much. I hope he plays.  Clearly all his exams will be over and his course work completed.  If Wojo wants to ask the 4-5 professors to turn in Harry's grades on Monday morning then I'll all for it.  I'm sure as brew pointed out that he's eligible as soon as his semester is officially over (last exam) and his grades are posted.  I'm simply pointing out that for all 'regular' kids that happens Tuesday at 5.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on July 14, 2017, 08:18:47 AM
Brew, Marquette isn't going to post grades early for one basketball player and field all the calls about 'special treatment'.  Tuesday, December 19th at 5p, just like every single other student my good man.  If there's a game that night, he plays.

Glow you also said this.

The number of calls from people complaining about "preferential treatment" will be close to zero.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
Glow you also said this.

The number of calls from people complaining about "preferential treatment" will be close to zero.

And if they do get calls, remind the callers that for every $1 spent on basketball, Marquette makes $7. If their ADPR major child can match that ROI then they can complain.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Loose Cannon on July 14, 2017, 09:34:09 AM
And if they do get calls, remind the callers that for every $1 spent on basketball, Marquette makes $7. If their ADPR major child can match that ROI then they can complain.


Winner
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: wadesworld on July 14, 2017, 09:35:58 AM
Do students' parents actually know when their child's grades are posted and/or see their grades?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: BM1090 on July 14, 2017, 09:49:56 AM
Do students' parents actually know when their child's grades are posted and/or see their grades?

Some do. Depends on their level of involvement in their kids' lives. I knew kids whose parents had a better idea of when their grades would be posted than the kids themselves
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 10:07:50 AM
JB, I honestly don't care that much. I hope he plays.  Clearly all his exams will be over and his course work completed.  If Wojo wants to ask the 4-5 professors to turn in Harry's grades on Monday morning then I'll all for it.  I'm sure as brew pointed out that he's eligible as soon as his semester is officially over (last exam) and his grades are posted.  I'm simply pointing out that for all 'regular' kids that happens Tuesday at 5.

Well, no, that's not what you said. You said MU WON'T post early for a player. You said it'll be 5pm Tuesday, period. That's the issue. Now you're saying something very different.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: hdog1017 on July 14, 2017, 10:20:24 AM
Why is Marquette playing Georgia?  Georgia sucks.  Of all the teams in the NCAA to do a home and home series with, Marquette chose Georgia? 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 10:26:05 AM
Why is Marquette playing Georgia?  Georgia sucks.  Of all the teams in the NCAA to do a home and home series with, Marquette chose Georgia?

Because it's a team that boosts our resume plus we had a good chance to beat them twice. Its an ideal home and home opponent.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 14, 2017, 10:31:12 AM
Why is Marquette playing Georgia?  Georgia sucks.  Of all the teams in the NCAA to do a home and home series with, Marquette chose Georgia?
Georgia was 51 in the RPI last season. They blew 5 game last year. Would have easy been in the "Big Dance"
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TrueWarrior on July 14, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
Big fan of the schedule this year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2017, 10:34:12 AM
Tanks four postin', Steve, hey?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TrueWarrior on July 14, 2017, 10:38:12 AM
Why is Marquette playing Georgia?  Georgia sucks.  Of all the teams in the NCAA to do a home and home series with, Marquette chose Georgia?

Your constant negativity is perplexing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 10:44:52 AM
Northern Illinois was announced 20 minutes ago.

11/4: vs. Lindenwood (exhibition)
11/10: vs. Mount St. Marys
11/14: vs. Purdue
11/20 - 11/22: THREE MAUI GAMES
11/27: vs. Eastern Illinois
11/29: vs. Chicago State
12/2: vs. Georgia
12/5: vs. Vermont
12/9: @ Wisconsin
12/18: vs. Northern Illinois

Then you have vs. American on some date in between NIU and BE play.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/885878306175950852

American on December 21st
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 10:56:32 AM
Georgia was 51 in the RPI last season.

No they weren't. Not on selection Sunday and not to end the year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 14, 2017, 11:03:13 AM
Georgia was 51 in the RPI last season. They blew 5 game last year. Would have easy been in the "Big Dance"

This exactly. Georgia is an ideal non-con home-and-home. Best case scenario is a team good enough to give two top-100 wins, but not good enough to sweep the series (like Vandy and Ohio State did, woof).

Personally, I'd rather see bubble or NIT teams like Georgia, Clemson, Illinois, or Colorado than higher profile but also higher risk opponents like Florida, UNC, Michigan State, or Arizona.

Give me two good wins over two great losses any day.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: 79Warrior on July 14, 2017, 11:03:20 AM
Why is Marquette playing Georgia?  Georgia sucks.  Of all the teams in the NCAA to do a home and home series with, Marquette chose Georgia?

Seriously?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on July 14, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
Do students' parents actually know when their child's grades are posted and/or see their grades?
Due to fed rules if over 18 they have to consent for school to release grades to the parents. Howard first semester was 17 (did you know?) so he was out of luck  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 11:24:57 AM
Due to fed rules if over 18 they have to consent for school to release grades to the parents. Howard first semester was 17 (did you know?) so he was out of luck  ;D

Actually not true. Under FERPA, Markus is treated as a college student, not a a 17 year old. So he needs to consent in order for the school to release grades to his parents.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on July 14, 2017, 11:36:32 AM
Actually not true. Under FERPA, Markus is treated as a college student, not a a 17 year old. So he needs to consent in order for the school to release grades to his parents.
Ok then I guess most advisors at Colleges don't know. Had 3 at three different U's and all told me the same that because they were adults I had to ask them to give consent, was told that if they had been minors didn't need to. Good to know
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 14, 2017, 11:45:19 AM
No they weren't. Not on selection Sunday and not to end the year.
That was off the top of my head. Looks like 52.  ::)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/nitty-gritty-report
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 14, 2017, 12:05:38 PM
Since Final Exams end on the 16th (no more Saturday exams? Damn, kids are lucky they don't have that crap anymore) he can play:

14.4.3.3: If a student-athlete's academic eligibility changes at the end of a quarter or semester, the student-athlete shall become eligible or ineligible to compete on the date his or her eligibility officially is certified by the appropriate institutional authority. In a case in which the student becomes eligible at the end of the term, the earliest date on which the student can become eligible to compete is the day after the date of the last scheduled examination listed in the institution's official calendar for the term that is ending.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on July 14, 2017, 12:09:52 PM
Since Final Exams end on the 16th (no more Saturday exams? Damn, kids are lucky they don't have that crap anymore) he can play:

14.4.3.3: If a student-athlete's academic eligibility changes at the end of a quarter or semester, the student-athlete shall become eligible or ineligible to compete on the date his or her eligibility officially is certified by the appropriate institutional authority. In a case in which the student becomes eligible at the end of the term, the earliest date on which the student can become eligible to compete is the day after the date of the last scheduled examination listed in the institution's official calendar for the term that is ending.
16th is a Saturday
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 12:25:17 PM
Ok then I guess most advisors at Colleges don't know. Had 3 at three different U's and all told me the same that because they were adults I had to ask them to give consent, was told that if they had been minors didn't need to. Good to know

I think advisors just say that because its easier to explain than going into the details of FERPA.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 12:25:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/885880643397312513

Wojo's thoughts on the non-con
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 12:34:34 PM
Well, no, that's not what you said. You said MU WON'T post early for a player. You said it'll be 5pm Tuesday, period. That's the issue. Now you're saying something very different.

Fine, I'm saying something different. While they might release grades to Wojo for purposes of playing that night, they surely won't be posted on checkmarq. 

Why do you guys care so much about this crap? (Not referring specifically to you JB.)  I'm simply saying that until the semester is completed as evidenced by posted final grades, the semester isn't 'completed'.  And for 12,000 students that happens at 5p on Tuesday. Not suggesting in any way that dovetails with NCAA regs which might provide a loophole that the university chooses to exploit.  Originally I said I didn't think they would.  Maybe I'm wrong.  We'll find out next December.  Or is it THIS December?  And is THAT too worthy of 5 more pages of drivel?

Have a nice day all.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 12:46:28 PM
Since Final Exams end on the 16th (no more Saturday exams? Damn, kids are lucky they don't have that crap anymore) he can play:

14.4.3.3: If a student-athlete's academic eligibility changes at the end of a quarter or semester, the student-athlete shall become eligible or ineligible to compete on the date his or her eligibility officially is certified by the appropriate institutional authority. In a case in which the student becomes eligible at the end of the term, the earliest date on which the student can become eligible to compete is the day after the date of the last scheduled examination listed in the institution's official calendar for the term that is ending.

Looks like you're quoting 14.4.3.4, not 14.4.3.3, and 12/16 is a Saturday... so he should be OK to play on 12/17, in time for the game on 12/18, so long as grades are in.

See you 12/18, Harry!!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 12:47:32 PM
Some do. Depends on their level of involvement in their kids' lives. I knew kids whose parents had a better idea of when their grades would be posted than the kids themselves

Most I know pay attention.  $50K a year is a lot of money.  Now most might not know the exact specifics but recall that we put two kids through (16 combined semesters) and the process has never changed.

In contrast, we know nothing about our daughter's graduate experience other than what she tells us.  Not our bill; none of our business.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Tha Hound on July 14, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
This website, man...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 14, 2017, 01:26:00 PM
16th is a Saturday

so then if it's a Saturday Anonymous Eagle is wrong - the game would have to be Sunday for Henry to be eligible and at least 6 credits worth of passing grades would have to be confirmed before he can play on Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 14, 2017, 01:36:34 PM
To the actual topic, I love this schedule. Best we've seen in years. The known high major games are all winnable (Purdue, Georgia, Wisconsin). Vermont is a quality home win opportunity. EIU, NIU, and MSM all have top-200 potential. And of the two "dogs", American returns a number of players and should at least improve, which leaves CSU as the only game on the schedule that looks likely to be sub-300.

Great work by the athletic department. Depending on how Maui shakes out, we should be looking at worst at a top-150 and at best top-75.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 14, 2017, 01:52:18 PM
The only real donkey is Chicago State.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
The only real donkey is Chicago State.

And why is it that we seem to play them (and Grambling St.) every other year?  Who the h*ll has pictures?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 02:11:11 PM
so then if it's a Saturday Anonymous Eagle is wrong - the game would have to be Sunday for Henry to be eligible and at least 6 credits worth of passing grades would have to be confirmed before he can play on Tuesday.

(Harry) may have other GPA requirements, but yes. Agreed on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 14, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
•Season tickets holders again this year can get one complimentary ticket per season ticket purchased for any non-conference game (excludes Georgia – Saturday, Dec. 2. I'm going to use mine for the Purdue game!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2017, 03:00:59 PM
(Harry) may have other GPA requirements, but yes. Agreed on Sunday.
it is Sunday.  I e-mailed Mike Broeker on the topic and he stated that Harry would be eligible on the 17th.  Guess that Brew City was wrong all along here.

In the same e-mail, Mike said coach's preference is the reason MU has not had a game on the Saturday of exam week following the UW game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 14, 2017, 03:04:33 PM
it is Sunday.  I e-mailed Mike Broeker on the tppopic an he stated that Harry would be eligible on the 17th.  Guess that Brew City was wrong all along here.

As were the NCAA rules I posted, apparently. And you can also eat your crow for being wrong.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 03:05:37 PM
it is Sunday.  I e-mailed Mike Broeker on the tppopic an he stated that Harry would be eligible on the 17th.  Guess that Brew City was wrong all along here.

You, brewcity, glow were all wrong
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
As were the NCAA rules I posted, apparently. And you can also eat your crow for being wrong.
Fine, but I was definitely more correct than you.   ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
You, brewcity, glow were all wrong
Nope, my main point all along in this thread was that Harry could not play on the 16th.  And , he could not play until the 17th as Mike Broeker verified in his e-mail.  The other stuff is beside the point.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 14, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
Fine, but I was definitely more correct than you.   ;)

You said he wasn't eligible until Tuesday and never once provided a shred of evidence in your defense. You might have a point had you just once made a defensible argument. You didn't.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 03:16:29 PM
I freely admit to being wrong.

This is a male first for all of scoop history by the way.  8-)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
Nope, my main point all along in this thread was that Harry could not play on the 16th.  And , he could not play until the 17th as Mike Broeker verified in his e-mail.  The other stuff is beside the point.

lol so when you pointed to what others posted re: grades submitted deadline,   about that topic, it wasn't relevant to the discussion, just sonething you threw in that was "beside the point"? 

The truth is, you had it wrong initially. I think you figured it out quicker than some others, but...

Anyway, unfortunate none of you took me up on the bet...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2017, 03:23:11 PM
You said he wasn't eligible until Tuesday and never once provided a shred of evidence in your defense. You might have a point had you just once made a defensible argument. You didn't.
I was in error about also agreeing with glow on that point, which I think I may have retracted.  Don't remember.  But, my main point over and over was that he was not going to play on the 16th because he needed to complete an academic year in residence and that the 16th was part of that year as it was an exam day.  As for glow's point,  it's just whether eligibility was on Sunday or on Tuesday.  Really don't care about that.  As I kept saying, you would not see Harry play on the 16th if there would be a game on that date.  Mike Broeker verified that to me.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2017, 03:23:42 PM
lol so when you pointed to what others posted re: grades submitted deadline,   about that topic, it wasn't relevant to the discussion, just sonething you threw in that was "beside the point"? 

The truth is, you had it wrong initially. I think you figured it out quicker than some others, but...

Anyway, unfortunate none of you took me up on the bet...
lol, see my last post.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
lol, see my last post.

Got it. "I wasn't really concerned about if he could play on 12/18 when an actual game was scheduled (but I was wrong on that topic).  Rather, my focus was on 12/16 when there is no game (got that one right!!)"
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 03:52:29 PM
Show of hands.  Any of you boys married?   I thought so.   ::)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Nukem2 on July 14, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Got it. "I wasn't really concerned about if he could play on 12/18 when an actual game was scheduled (but I was wrong on that topic).  Rather, my focus was on 12/16 when there is no game (got that one right!!)"
once again, I maintained all along that Harry was not going to play on the 16th because that was an exam day and part of the semester.  The other stuff is fluff.  Harry was never going to play on the 16th if a game were to be scheduled.  Never deviated from that.  Don't care if it was the 17th or18th or 19th or whatever.  Kept telling Brew that he was not gonna see Harry play on the 16th.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 04:46:58 PM
once again, I maintained all along that Harry was not going to play on the 16th because that was an exam day and part of the semester.  The other stuff is fluff.  Harry was never going to play on the 16th if a game were to be scheduled.  Never deviated from that.  Don't care if it was the 17th or18th or 19th or whatever.  Kept telling Brew that he was not gonna see Harry play on the 16th.

#Lies
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 14, 2017, 05:12:54 PM
So Nukem was as wrong as anyone else in this thread, myself included, but it's okay because he kept changing the narrative of what he believes? Got it  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2017, 05:34:40 PM
Y'all.... I'm all for internet penis measuring competitions.... But this is a weird one to draw a line in the sand for
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 05:38:20 PM
So Nukem was as wrong as anyone else in this thread, myself included, but it's okay because he kept changing the narrative of what he believes? Got it  ;D

Nah; you, nukem & glow were all speaking authoritatively, yet were dead wrong. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 14, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
Y'all.... I'm all for internet penis measuring competitions.... But this is a weird one to draw a line in the sand for

#marriedman   ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 14, 2017, 06:23:43 PM
Show of hands.  Any of you boys married?   I thought so.   ::)

"If ur married you can speak up on topics u are ignorant on, but ol girl stuck w u"
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Newsdreams on July 14, 2017, 08:30:26 PM
#marriedman   ;D
28 years and counting....
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 15, 2017, 03:03:02 AM
28 years and counting....

49 days and counting  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 15, 2017, 06:56:33 AM
49 days and counting  ;D

Been relegated to the couch yet?   :o
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 15, 2017, 07:42:18 AM
Been relegated to the couch yet?   :o

Not yet. Is that a MUScoop best?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on July 15, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
Not yet. Is that a MUScoop best?

I have met been relegated to the couch. However we sleep apart as much as together because I'm a morning person and she's up til all hours.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on July 17, 2017, 05:15:50 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/887070348423942145
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MU82 on July 17, 2017, 10:59:48 PM
I have met been relegated to the couch. However we sleep apart as much as together because I'm a morning person and she's up til all hours.

Good thing I'm there to keep her warm!

(Sorry, couldn't resist the standard I'm-sleeping-with-your-wife hilarity. Mrs. MU82 has put up with my hilarity for 34 years of wedded bliss.)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/887070348423942145

Really hoping for 1 of VCU/LSU/CAL in the first round. Gives us a likely quality neutral court win in the first round and gets us into the winner's bracket for 2 shots against quality teams (assuming they don't match WICH/MICH/ND together in the first round and no surprise upsets). Would love VCU. Both LSU and Cal could end up finishing outside the top 100 this season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 08:58:22 AM
First round pairings should be announced in about an hour.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 18, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
Hawaiian time, hey?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: BM1090 on July 18, 2017, 09:53:29 AM
Marquette will play VCU according to Jon Rothstein
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
Marquette will play VCU according to Jon Rothstein

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/887323251713691648
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 09:57:20 AM
Marquette will play VCU according to Jon Rothstein

Confirmed

https://twitter.com/MauiInv/status/887324892219273217
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on July 18, 2017, 09:58:41 AM
From the Maui site:

Quote
The Maui Jim Maui Invitational today announced its 2017 Tournament bracket. The top half of the bracket features competitive tilts between Marquette and VCU, and Wichita State and California. The bottom half showcases Notre Dame facing Chaminade and Michigan taking on LSU as the eight programs vie for early-season bragging rights and the Wayne Duke championship trophy.

So we will play Cal / WSU in game two. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: cheebs09 on July 18, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Marquette will play VCU according to Jon Rothstein

A matchup of Shaka Smart's former schools. It's like an NCAA Tourney storyline.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 10:00:44 AM
And looks like we'll be the early game. Time to start getting plans in motion to get out of work early, if you're into that sort of thing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: fjm on July 18, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Lame. No ND probably.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
This was a good draw for us. VCU should be down this season and we should be able to win the game. But because they play in the A10 (which will be down this season) they will rack up a lots of wins which makes them a great opponent from an RPI standpoint. We should be able to beat them though a loss wouldn't be out of the question.

Wichita State is the best team in the tournament and they should run roughshod through everyone in the American not named Cincinnati. Its a likely loss for us, but a very high quality neutral court loss that we will have a chance to win. Assuming we get past VCU we should get a shot at Wichita State and 1 of Michigan/Notre Dame. If I had to guess I would say it will look like this:

VCU: Win
Wichita State: Loss
Michigan: Toss Up. Evenly matched with us on a nuetral court.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 10:08:02 AM
No question, the VCU game is the most important game on the schedule right now. Win and we play Wichita State and either Michigan or Notre Dame, all likely top-35 teams. Lose and we likely play Cal and LSU, who could both be sub-100.

That VCU game will have a big impact on our SOS and the number of quality opponents we play
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 10:11:17 AM
No question, the VCU game is the most important game on the schedule right now. Win and we play Wichita State and either Michigan or Notre Dame, all likely top-35 teams. Lose and we likely play Cal and LSU, who could both be sub-100.

That VCU game will have a big impact on our SOS and the number of quality opponents we play

Uh oh. Cue Wadesworld in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 18, 2017, 10:25:51 AM
Went just as I figured it would.

I'm happy. Woulda liked to avoid WSU to have a better shot at the finals but they will be a great opponent for our computer numbers should we play.

And VCU is a way better get then Cal or LSU
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
So...looking at VCU. They return their two leading scorers in JeQuan Lewis and Justin Tillman. Both of them are potential all-conference players in the A-10 and I expect should be enough to propel them to 20-25 wins. But after that...woof. They only have one other player on the roster that averaged 13+ mpg or 5+ ppg. 5 freshmen coming in, but none rated in the top-200 composite on 247. They lost three important seniors (Alie-Cox, Brooks, & Burgess) while also seeing two key players transfer out (Hamdy, Doughty).

The good news is that there's enough talent there to win games, but playing them early in the season means that talent likely won't have acclimated to the new system or the new pieces. They have a shot at a tourney berth because Dayton will be down and after Rhode Island there's a lot of parity for what should be 3-4 bids from that league. I see us as the favorite, though expect we'll end up with the loser of the ND/Michigan game because I can't see any way we get past that monster Wichita State team.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 11:13:50 AM
One bit of good news, if we manage to win our first two games, the second game is an 8:30 am local tip-off while our opponents will come from the 5:30 pm game. We should have about 9 more hours of rest if we make the final.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 11:20:45 AM
VCU also brings in two transfers. They both put up monster numbers for terrible teams (Maine and Longwood). Hard to know how they'll translate to a higher level of competition.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 11:26:23 AM
VCU also brings in two transfers. They both put up monster numbers for terrible teams (Maine and Longwood). Hard to know how they'll translate to a higher level of competition.

I forgot all about Isaac Vann. He was on the Maine team that lost at the BC to Marquette with Ellenson a couple years ago, but he didn't play in that game. He led that team in PPG (16.4) but you are definitely right, it was an awful team he played for.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: lessthannick11 on July 18, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
So...looking at VCU. They return their two leading scorers in JeQuan Lewis and Justin Tillman. Both of them are potential all-conference players in the A-10 and I expect should be enough to propel them to 20-25 wins. But after that...woof. They only have one other player on the roster that averaged 13+ mpg or 5+ ppg. 5 freshmen coming in, but none rated in the top-200 composite on 247. They lost three important seniors (Alie-Cox, Brooks, & Burgess) while also seeing two key players transfer out (Hamdy, Doughty).

The good news is that there's enough talent there to win games, but playing them early in the season means that talent likely won't have acclimated to the new system or the new pieces. They have a shot at a tourney berth because Dayton will be down and after Rhode Island there's a lot of parity for what should be 3-4 bids from that league. I see us as the favorite, though expect we'll end up with the loser of the ND/Michigan game because I can't see any way we get past that monster Wichita State team.


I thought Lewis was in the draft and eventually signed with the Bucks for summer league?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: RJax55 on July 18, 2017, 11:35:16 AM

I thought Lewis was in the draft and eventually signed with the Bucks for summer league?

You're correct. He's done at VCU

http://www.nba.com/bucks/roster/summerleague/jequan-lewis
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 18, 2017, 11:38:03 AM
Do we know game time?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 11:43:35 AM

I thought Lewis was in the draft and eventually signed with the Bucks for summer league?

Correct Lewis is gone. They bring back two starters, Jonathan Williams and Justin Tillman. They lost three staters (Lewis, Doughty,  and Allie-Cox). They also lost the first three guys off the bench (Burgess, Brooks,  Hamdy-Mohammed). That's a lot to lose. Their freshmen aren't terribly exciting.  It will come down to how their transfers perform.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
Do we know game time?

Yes,  we're the early game.  930 am in Maui.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on July 18, 2017, 11:44:58 AM
Do we know game time?

1:30
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: We R Final Four on July 18, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
A matchup of Shaka Smart's former schools. It's like an NCAA Tourney storyline.
I'm sure 82 will have a comment on the subject.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 18, 2017, 11:50:12 AM
Yes,  we're the early game.  930 am in Maui.

Beauty. Plenty of time to drink mai tais by the beach all afternoon.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 18, 2017, 11:54:03 AM
Correct Lewis is gone. They bring back two starters, Jonathan Williams and Justin Tillman. They lost three staters (Lewis, Doughty,  and Allie-Cox). They also lost the first three guys off the bench (Burgess, Brooks,  Hamdy-Mohammed). That's a lot to lose. Their freshmen aren't terribly exciting.  It will come down to how their transfers perform.

Wow, that's big. I saw a few articles that said Lewis stuck around, but that must've been referring to him not transferring.

On a mostly-unrelated scheduling note, I just took a look at Wisconsin's non-conference schedule today. It looks brutal:

While I know that last one might not look impressive, the Hilltoppers have a top-10 recruiting class and two of the top grad transfers in the country. They also play two conference games in this time. If the Badgers are down, and with 4 graduating starters that could be the case, their non-conference slate could look similar or worse than Bo's last year when they went 8-5 in non-con play.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muguru on July 18, 2017, 12:11:06 PM
Wow, that's big. I saw a few articles that said Lewis stuck around, but that must've been referring to him not transferring.

On a mostly-unrelated scheduling note, I just took a look at Wisconsin's non-conference schedule today. It looks brutal:

  • Xavier (H)
  • Baylor (N)
  • Creighton/UCLA (N)
  • Virginia (A)
  • Temple (A)
  • Marquette (H)
  • Yale (H)
  • Western Kentucky (H)
While I know that last one might not look impressive, the Hilltoppers have a top-10 recruiting class and two of the top grad transfers in the country. They also play two conference games in this time. If the Badgers are down, and with 4 graduating starters that could be the case, their non-conference slate could look similar or worse than Bo's last year when they went 8-5 in non-con play.

And they still freaking managed to make the tourney that year. I thought for sure after that Non con, you could stick a fork in them. I hope it's not one of those years AGAIN for UW.  >:(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on July 18, 2017, 12:12:43 PM
Wow, that's big. I saw a few articles that said Lewis stuck around, but that must've been referring to him not transferring.

On a mostly-unrelated scheduling note, I just took a look at Wisconsin's non-conference schedule today. It looks brutal:

  • Xavier (H)
  • Baylor (N)
  • Creighton/UCLA (N)
  • Virginia (A)
  • Temple (A)
  • Marquette (H)
  • Yale (H)
  • Western Kentucky (H)
While I know that last one might not look impressive, the Hilltoppers have a top-10 recruiting class and two of the top grad transfers in the country. They also play two conference games in this time. If the Badgers are down, and with 4 graduating starters that could be the case, their non-conference slate could look similar or worse than Bo's last year when they went 8-5 in non-con play.

Coached by former Mississippi State coach Rick Stansbury.  I can't figure out why his name wasn't out there more for coaching search last year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
Coached by former Mississippi State coach Rick Stansbury.  I can't figure out why his name wasn't out there more for coaching search last year.

Rick $tan$bury has a reputation for being a tad bit dirty. I don't think high majors want to touch him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 18, 2017, 12:49:07 PM
http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/schools/virginia-commonwealth-university/vcu-will-play-marquette-in-first-round-of-maui-invitational/article_ab45e146-55f1-50e7-8313-fecceb35b861.html

Richmond Paper's article on the first round matchup. Completely unremarkable, except for one epic typo:

Quote
VCU will be making tits second appearance
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 18, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
Marquette will play VCU according to Jon Rothstein

Done deal.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 18, 2017, 01:15:56 PM
http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/schools/virginia-commonwealth-university/vcu-will-play-marquette-in-first-round-of-maui-invitational/article_ab45e146-55f1-50e7-8313-fecceb35b861.html

Richmond Paper's article on the first round matchup. Completely unremarkable, except for one epic typo:

That reminds me of two of my favorite Freudian slips in local TV news:

In Madison, WI: Rhythm and Boobs instead of Rhythm and Booms (a fireworks show)

In Wausau, WI:  Big Full Balls Blues Fest instead of Big Bull Falls Blues Fest
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: mu03eng on July 18, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
Can't find the clip but my favorite blooper was female news anchor tossing to the weatherman who forecast a large snowstorm the night before that didn't materialize with the following: So [weather guy's name] where were those nine inches you promised me last night?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 18, 2017, 01:51:07 PM
Can't find the clip but my favorite blooper was female news anchor tossing to the weatherman who forecast a large snowstorm the night before that didn't materialize with the following: So [weather guy's name] where were those nine inches you promised me last night?

I still cry hearing some of *my station's* bloopers...

https://youtu.be/Ie_Ik5OJa0s

https://youtu.be/3qDPReZyBPI
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 18, 2017, 10:22:23 PM
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/notre-dame-and-marquette-to-play-in-maui-invitational-bracket-is-set/

Here's the Chicago Tribune article on the Maui lineup. What's striking is how we are pretty much given equal billing with ND. That could be a good sign for Chicago area coverage. I always thought we got the short end of the stick despite being 90 miles away.


(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/57/57fc42db3de76c145a99e39eb611787b1fcf7c1a9010f9158c1acb92aef22ecf.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: The Lens on July 19, 2017, 10:18:38 AM
Has there been any forecast for RPI or SOS based on what we know about our current Non Conf Sked?

Obviously results matter and the 2nd and 3rd games of the Maui matter but is there any models out there that compare where we are in August of 2017 vs. August of 2016?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 19, 2017, 12:31:01 PM
Has there been any forecast for RPI or SOS based on what we know about our current Non Conf Sked?

Obviously results matter and the 2nd and 3rd games of the Maui matter but is there any models out there that compare where we are in August of 2017 vs. August of 2016?

Yes. I have, how U say, all the answers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 19, 2017, 01:20:31 PM
Has there been any forecast for RPI or SOS based on what we know about our current Non Conf Sked?

Obviously results matter and the 2nd and 3rd games of the Maui matter but is there any models out there that compare where we are in August of 2017 vs. August of 2016?

Okay...so I'm not at all a prognosticator, but first let's look at last year:

Code: [Select]
Team          Kenpom          RPI
Mt St Mary's    209           150
Purdue           19            19
VCU              48            22
MAUI 2           ??            ??
MAUI 3           ??            ??
EIU             220           265
Chicago St      335           317
Georgia          61            52
Vermont          63            46
UW-Madison       21            36
NIU             205           239
American        307           310

Next, a quick team by team breakdown with my expectations for next year. I'm just estimating teams categorically, so consider everyone to be about +/-25 in terms of where they'll end up. Here we go:

So in terms strictly of numbers, that estimates us at:

Okay, that's all for now. Will get back to this later.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Gopher+RamFan on July 19, 2017, 04:32:42 PM
Been a while since I checked, but I think the last time VCU had an RPI of 50+ it was 2004-2005.

OOC for VCU is tough, likely to keep the RPI low even while playing in the A10.

OOC games: UVA, @SHU, Texas, Maui, ODU (not tough).

Sidenote, VCU plays UVA on the East Coast the friday night before the Monday Maui game. Tried to move it to Thursday but UVA said no. Advantage MU.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 19, 2017, 04:37:59 PM
Been a while since I checked, but I think the last time VCU had an RPI of 50+ it was 2004-2005.

OOC for VCU is tough, likely to keep the RPI low even while playing in the A10.

OOC games: UVA, @SHU, Texas, Maui, ODU (not tough).

Sidenote, VCU plays UVA on the East Coast the friday night before the Monday Maui game. Tried to move it to Thursday but UVA said no. Advantage MU.

Wow.  Those guys will be hurtin'.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: wadesworld on July 19, 2017, 05:34:06 PM
Wow.  Those guys will be hurtin'.

Ehh. It won't hurt MU's chances and is an interesting note, but these guys are 18-23 year old kids most likely flying charter. I'd expect them to be fresh, but that is a quick turnaround.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 19, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
Ehh. It won't hurt MU's chances and is an interesting note, but these guys are 18-23 year old kids most likely flying charter. I'd expect them to be fresh, but that is a quick turnaround.

Don't these wusses have any 17 year olds on their team?

PS - always worthwhile to remember that an opponent's RPI no matta. Their RPI doesn't directly impact your RPI.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 19, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
Okay, I'm trying to find the best comparisons to figure out where our schedule will end up. Here are some comparisons from last year based on my kenpom projections, with the first column being Marquette

Code: [Select]
Home     Clemson-91  Georgetown-99  Baylor-110  Oregon-137  Mississippi-174
 25     (SA) 56           46           10          56             13
 50          59           96           31          94             43
 75          61          121          108          98            101
175         107          124          212         104            157
225         145          136          234         194            194
250         270          244          236         230            197
325         336          338          326         248            210
325         343          343          329         317            217
Neutral                                                          243
 75          85           10            9          69             28
 25          22           21           48          57            183
 25          21           21           40          96            236
Away                     140
 50          36           55           74          13             50

It's hard to find exact comparisons. What I focused on was teams that played 1 true road game, 3 neutral court games, and at least two top-100 home games. At a rough guess, I'd say we are looking at a non-conference schedule rating right around 100 if we beat VCU and around 140-150 if we lose.

And while wades may disagree, that's why VCU is the most important game on the schedule. I think two of the best comparisons are Clemson and Oregon, with the main difference between the two being their neutral site opponents. Clemson played three strong opponents and finished 91 in NCSOS per kenpom. Oregon played 3 mediocre opponents (also losing the Maui opener) and finished 137.

It's not an exact science, but when the winner's bracket will likely have three top-25 teams in Wichita State, Notre Dame, and Michigan and the loser's bracket will likely have two sub-75 teams in Cal and LSU (along with non-counter Chaminade), that's a huge difference.

Edit: And I know it's not the rankings, it's the ratings, but I don't have the time at the moment to try to break down all the scores.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 20, 2017, 07:15:21 AM
Here are the Brackets.

http://mauiinvitational.com/sports/2014/8/6/2014Bracket.aspx

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on July 29, 2017, 06:44:41 PM
Wichita St's Shamet 2 DL. Broken wheel. May be just getting back in Maui (assuming all goes well for him... )
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2017, 07:38:56 PM
Wichita St's Shamet 2 DL. Broken wheel. May be just getting back in Maui (assuming all goes well for him... )

Estimated 12-16 weeks for recovery (October 23rd to November 20th). Should be ready to go for the start of the season but those kind of injuries can linger.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 30, 2017, 10:55:04 AM
Estimated 12-16 weeks for recovery (October 23rd to November 20th). Should be ready to go for the start of the season but those kind of injuries can linger.

Very tough break.  I never want to see athletes get injured.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 30, 2017, 01:43:50 PM
Very tough break.  I never want to see athletes get injured.

Agreed.  Kid has legit all American potential.  Hopefully the injury didn't impact his season (though I hope he goes 0/11 from the field against us!)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on July 30, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
Agreed.  Kid has legit all American potential.  Hopefully the injury didn't impact his season (though I hope he goes 0/11 from the field against us!)

Now that's different TAMU.  We both hope every shot is a brick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on July 30, 2017, 02:35:52 PM
Hopefully he's ready to go for the Maui Invitational third place game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 02, 2017, 12:20:04 AM
Wow, that's big. I saw a few articles that said Lewis stuck around, but that must've been referring to him not transferring.

On a mostly-unrelated scheduling note, I just took a look at Wisconsin's non-conference schedule today. It looks brutal:

  • Xavier (H)
  • Baylor (N)
  • Creighton/UCLA (N)
  • Virginia (A)
  • Temple (A)
  • Marquette (H)
  • Yale (H)
  • Western Kentucky (H)
While I know that last one might not look impressive, the Hilltoppers have a top-10 recruiting class and two of the top grad transfers in the country. They also play two conference games in this time. If the Badgers are down, and with 4 graduating starters that could be the case, their non-conference slate could look similar or worse than Bo's last year when they went 8-5 in non-con play.

I remembered that we had talked about Western Kentucky in this thread and thought this would be as good a place as any to share this story.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/western-kentucky-suspends-5-star-freshman-after-he-bolts-from-campus/

It seems like Western Kentucky's prized 5 star recruit just decided to leave campus one day. Staff came to check on him and he had cleaned out his room. He now either needs to play overseas, wait to declare for the draft, return to Western Kentucky, or sit out an entire year as a transfer. I suppose he could try for a waiver from the NCAA and claim that because his Godfather left the WKU coaching staff he should be allowed to transfer and be immediately eligible but I don't see that happening. Just a bizzare story.

So....anyone want a former top 10 recruit who is also a flight risk?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on August 02, 2017, 07:23:54 AM
I think the Rick Stansbury experiment will be very interesting and entertaining to watch, and not always in a good way.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on August 14, 2017, 09:39:37 PM
The Milwaukee Bucks' schedule is now out. Some notable things:
.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: wadesworld on August 14, 2017, 09:41:16 PM
The Milwaukee Bucks' schedule is now out. Some notable things:
.
  • Dec. 2: The Georgia game will be an afternoon tip because the Bucks play that night.
  • Dec. 26-28: Big East has played a mid-week opener the past two years. The Bucks are at home the 26th & 28th, so if we open at home, it will have to be on the 27th.
  • Dec. 30-Jan. 1: Bucks are out of town the whole weekend. If MU isn't at home the 27th, they likely will be one of these three days.
  • Jan.-Mar. Saturdays: The Bucks don't have a single home game on a Saturday during Big East play. Marquette should have at least 2, if not as many as 4-5 home Saturday night games during conference play.
  • Jan. 15: The Bucks play in DC on MLK Day. If the Big East does another marathon, we could be at home this year.
  • Feb. 28-Mar. 3: Likely one of these will be Andrew Rowsey's Senior Night.

While I appreciate the work, you have too much time on your hands!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: bobnoxious on August 14, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
Took not even 5 minutes to figure out the possibility of multiple saturday night Beast games
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TheREALwrk on August 14, 2017, 10:07:24 PM
Give me Saturday afternoon games - those are the best.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: We R Final Four on August 14, 2017, 10:22:47 PM
The Milwaukee Bucks' schedule is now out. Some notable things:
.
  • Dec. 2: The Georgia game will be an afternoon tip because the Bucks play that night.
  • Dec. 26-28: Big East has played a mid-week opener the past two years. The Bucks are at home the 26th & 28th, so if we open at home, it will have to be on the 27th.
  • Dec. 30-Jan. 1: Bucks are out of town the whole weekend. If MU isn't at home the 27th, they likely will be one of these three days.
  • Jan.-Mar. Saturdays: The Bucks don't have a single home game on a Saturday during Big East play. Marquette should have at least 2, if not as many as 4-5 home Saturday night games during conference play.
  • Jan. 15: The Bucks play in DC on MLK Day. If the Big East does another marathon, we could be at home this year.
  • Feb. 28-Mar. 3: Likely one of these will be Andrew Rowsey's Senior Night.
Good work Brew---however 5 Sat night Big East games won't happen.  I don't have a good reason, I just think we are closer to two.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on August 15, 2017, 06:15:12 AM
Good work Brew---however 5 Sat night Big East games won't happen.  I don't have a good reason, I just think we are closer to two.

I doubt it as well. However in the 3 years of the new league, we have played 14 Saturday home games, with last year being the only year we didn't have 5 Saturday home games. If MU has first choice on those days with the Bucks out of town, it seems likely they'll be able to have their pick of night games.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on August 15, 2017, 08:20:42 AM
I doubt it as well. However in the 3 years of the new league, we have played 14 Saturday home games, with last year being the only year we didn't have 5 Saturday home games. If MU has first choice on those days with the Bucks out of town, it seems likely they'll be able to have their pick of night games.


Remember that Fox is going to dictate when a lot of those games tip.  They seem to prefer basketball in the afternoon leaving the evenings open for MMA.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on August 15, 2017, 08:48:59 AM

Remember that Fox is going to dictate when a lot of those games tip.  They seem to prefer basketball in the afternoon leaving the evenings open for MMA.

Night games is relative. I think we have a lot of options for 4 pm and later tips. I don't expect a rash of 7:30 games, but I do think we have a good chance of seeing more games end after dark.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: GGGG on August 15, 2017, 08:50:50 AM
Night games is relative.


Deep.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 15, 2017, 11:11:30 AM
Many Saturday nights in Jan & Feb, FS1 has UFC and Motorcross in primetime. If there will be a Saturday night home games, it's because the game will fall on CBSSN. Don't take too much stock in what the Bucks schedule is.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: jsglow on August 15, 2017, 12:45:35 PM
Many Saturday nights in Jan & Feb, FS1 has UFC and Motorcross in primetime. If there will be a Saturday night home games, it's because the game will fall on CBSSN. Don't take too much stock in what the Bucks schedule is.

Agreed.  But it does give FOX and FS1 the ability to bounce us around various time slots because no usher is hollering at us to get out so they can retrofit for the Bucks.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MUDPT on August 29, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
Big East Schedule Next Week

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/902572273000960000
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: fjm on September 06, 2017, 03:20:42 PM
Definitely the wrong tread. But great video with some much needed off season marquette basketball content:

https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/905224447526924288
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on September 06, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
Big East Schedule Next Week

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/902572273000960000

Delayed until next week, per Rothstein today.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 07, 2017, 08:48:20 AM
If you click the twitter link:
Who makes the first comment that is what the DePaul Arena will look like even when they are playing?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 11, 2017, 10:24:09 AM
Rothstien says schedule will be released tomorrow. Third time is the charm?

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/907252958475243520
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on September 25, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
Markus McDuffie of Wichita State expected to be out until mid December with a stress fracture, joining Landry Shamet on the injured list. Shamet may be back for Maui, but that's their top two in terms of minutes that will be out or recovering.

Obviously we have to get past VCU first, but that could be as good a chance as we'll get to knock off WSU.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 25, 2017, 11:18:02 PM
Markus McDuffie of Wichita State expected to be out until mid December with a stress fracture, joining Landry Shamet on the injured list. Shamet may be back for Maui, but that's their top two in terms of minutes that will be out or recovering.

Obviously we have to get past VCU first, but that could be as good a chance as we'll get to knock off WSU.

If one of them are out we have a shot. If both are out I expect us to win....though they do have a very deep bench. Marshall runs a 10.5 man rotation.

I feel good about our chances against VCU. Don't see them as a tournament team this season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 04:09:28 AM
Have long been a fan of McDuffie. Selfishly don't mind if he misses a potential MU game, but hope he's able to play lost if the season.

https://twitter.com/jbbauer612/status/492786724850790400
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on September 26, 2017, 10:18:21 AM
Have long been a fan of McDuffie. Selfishly don't mind if he misses a potential MU game, but hope he's able to play lost if the season.

https://twitter.com/jbbauer612/status/492786724850790400

*most of
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 14, 2017, 11:15:04 AM
Markus McDuffie of Wichita State expected to be out until mid December with a stress fracture, joining Landry Shamet on the injured list. Shamet may be back for Maui, but that's their top two in terms of minutes that will be out or recovering.

Obviously we have to get past VCU first, but that could be as good a chance as we'll get to knock off WSU.

Didn't see this posted elsewhere, apologies if it was. But Landry Shamet played in Wichita State's first two games of the season. Put up 17 points with 4/5 3P shooting in their opener against UMKC and 10 points against College of Charleston. He seems fully recovered. Assuming we can get past VCU, the game against Wichita is gonna be one of the toughest of the season.

The Shockers should cruise past Cal in the first round. They opened the season by losing to UC Riverside and then beating Cal Poly by 3, both games at home. Both of those teams should be sub-250 by the time the season is over. It might not have worked out the same way if he came here, but this further cements my opinion that we dodged a bullet by not hiring Cuonzo. Landed two 5 star recruits in his first season...three years later the program is in the crapper and looking like it needs a major rebuild.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: brewcity77 on November 14, 2017, 01:10:25 PM
The Shockers should cruise past Cal in the first round. They opened the season by losing to UC Riverside and then beating Cal Poly by 3, both games at home. Both of those teams should be sub-250 by the time the season is over. It might not have worked out the same way if he came here, but this further cements my opinion that we dodged a bullet by not hiring Cuonzo. Landed two 5 star recruits in his first season...three years later the program is in the crapper and looking like it needs a major rebuild.

This further reinforces why the VCU game is not just the biggest of the season, but the biggest regular season game we've played in years. The SOS difference will be massive and that impacts every ranking system, not just RPI. Cal is terrible and could end up a sub-200 RPI team (there's always a handful of sub-200 high majors).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2017, 12:25:39 PM
Like I keep saying. Purdue isn't very good.

They had an obnoxious size advantage on us which made them a horrible match up for us.

Nothing special if you do have any reasponable size to match them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 22, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
Losing one game in OT doesn't make a team "not very good". They are a top 20 team who was also a terrible match-up for us.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
Losing one game in OT doesn't make a team "not very good". They are a top 20 team who was also a terrible match-up for us.

I've said this a well before this game(or even before OT when this comment was made).

They are not a good team(from a ranked standpoint)

Big10 as a whole looks like 2 teams and a bunch of blahhhh

Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 22, 2017, 04:19:53 PM
I've said this a well before this game(or even before OT when this comment was made).

They are not a good team(from a ranked standpoint)

Big10 as a whole looks like 2 teams and a bunch of blahhhh

Feel free to continue repeating this, but Purdue is a very strong team. They’ll be a top 4 seed in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 OOC Schedule
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2017, 07:15:00 PM
Feel free to continue repeating this, but Purdue is a very strong team. They’ll be a top 4 seed in the NCAAs.

I'm going to.

Doesn't make it embarrassing we lost to them or anything. Tough match up.

Meh team.