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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: onepost on March 20, 2017, 03:23:35 PM
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See ya, Swaggy.
Best of luck.
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Sorry, announced on Snapchat he's transferring.
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Sorry, announced on Snapchat he's transferring.
What is his tag?
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That's too bad but I don't blame him. I think he can find a better fit with a system more suited to his skills. We're a different brand than we used to be for better or worse. Best of luck D!
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Good luck, Duane.
He's been a class act at MU. I will root for him at his new school. Hope he has a nice final year.
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If true, that is a bummer. A little surprised after his comments recently and family situation, but on the flip side, it was obvious he was never one of Wojo's guys.
Now 3 bullets to use.
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What is his tag?
dawilson1
I don't follow him but a buddy sent it to me. I'm sure the message will be on twitter/Instagram before long.
I'm more bummed about it than I thought I'd be. Could have really used him next year, even though his role was diminishing. Him taking part in the Senior Day stuff with Jajuan raised a red flag and I'm sure he wants to showcase himself better if he's gonna get paid to play basketball ever.
Looks like we've gotta bring it some bodies.
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Good luck Duane.
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Definitely a class act. I think a Horizon league team would be a great fit for him if he's looking to play more minutes.
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If true, that is a bummer. A little surprised after his comments recently and family situation, but on the flip side, it was obvious he was never one of Wojo's guys.
Just goes to show you, don't listen to public comments from ... well ... pretty much anybody.
It's not that he was "lying." He just didn't want to get into his feelings and personal situation moments after the season. Or maybe he changed his mind the next day. Whatever.
Same with coaches, for sure. And obviously politicians. Oh, and Scoopers.
I was really proud of how he did his very best after his role changed this year, and then how he helped spark the team after he was put back into the starting lineup. He was a good recruiter for us and always comported himself very well.
A class act, and I wish him well.
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Did he say he's transferring or just leaving Marquette?
Assuming he's graduating in May, I would go play overseas and make some $$$$.
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For what it's worth, and probably nothing. I have Duane on snapchat and there is absolutely nothing posted from him. Nada. Now, he may have sent a Snapchat to your friend. But there is nothing on his public story.
More likely that he posted something then took it down.
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Seems like fake news.
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Seems like fake news.
Smoke and mirrors?
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For what it's worth, and probably nothing. I have Duane on snapchat and there is absolutely nothing posted from him. Nada. Now, he may have sent a Snapchat to your friend. But there is nothing on his public story.
More likely that he posted something then took it down.
Yah, just added him and see nothing. Im not convinced about this until someone reputable (no offense OP - I do appreciate you sharing what you heard) reports it.
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Yah, just added him and see nothing. Im not convinced about this until someone reputable (no offense OP - I do appreciate you sharing what you heard) reports it.
He could have also posted something then quickly was advised to take it down. I'm guessing where there is smoke, there's fire. But nothing to confirm it at this point.
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Apologies, here it is.
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Next man up, hey?
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I am so confused by that image.
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That's about a baseball player from Nebraska. Not Duane. WTF?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=54080.0;attach=6839;image
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WTF?
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Apologies, here it is.
That makes more sense! Thanks for posting. Shame
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Okay, that one is a little bit more real.
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Okay, that one is a little bit more real.
Indeed.
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If it's true - and I suspect it is - I wish him luck at his next stop. He's been a great player and a great representative of Marquette. This season he handled a very difficult situation as well as I've ever seen a player handle it. There's no doubt that his role this season must have been a disappointment, but he took it in stride and was there when we needed him. Everything I've seen about him reveals a young man that is mature beyond his years. I'll miss him next season, and hope he finds a great fit.
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It makes me sad, all the good times we had.....
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If it's true - and I suspect it is - I wish him luck at his next stop. He's been a great player and a great representative of Marquette. This season he handled a very difficult situation as well as I've ever seen a player handle it. There's no doubt that his role this season must have been a disappointment, but he took it in stride and was there when we needed him. Everything I've seen about him reveals a young man that is mature beyond his years. I'll miss him next season, and hope he finds a great fit.
it was fake news.
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it was fake news.
Source?
Looked pretty legit.
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Heck, a few days ago he was in tears over the program. I don't see it happening and where would he go? Join Sandy at Green Bay....?
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Unfortunate, but I think it's the right move for him. Handled a different, and reduced role with class and maturity and will leave with a diploma. Hope he tears it up wherever he lands next year.
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Lets be real, he needs more playing time to make his impending jump to Europe. He has a kid to support and its coming quick. No hard feelings, probably the best option for him personally. Best of luck Swaggy, you did us well.
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Lets be real, he needs more playing time to make his impending jump to Europe. He has a kid to support and its coming quick. No hard feelings, probably the best option for him personally. Best of luck Swaggy, you did us well.
Or, again assuming it's confirmed, he could be seeking a basketball paycheck now.
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Disappointing if true. I suppose maybe he never quite fit what Wojo wanted, but he handled everything with such class, and seemed to have a great opportunity next season, so I thought he'd be back.
If true, that means all of Buzz's players will be gone. It also means 68 minutes per game have opened at the 2/3 positions with only Cain coming in and Anim returning. Could be a big opportunity for a grad transfer.
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Or, again assuming it's confirmed, he could be seeking a basketball paycheck now.
He said in his post he will be graduate transferring
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Or, again assuming it's confirmed, he could be seeking a basketball paycheck now.
He did say "transfer for my graduate year" in that screengrab of a snapchat.
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Duane - Thanks for all your efforts and good luck @ your next hoop spot, go hard and hoop it up
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Or, again assuming it's confirmed, he could be seeking a basketball paycheck now.
I don't know how someone will pay him a big paycheck. He played 15 minutes a game and averaged like 5 points. Maybe some lower level Europe team, but the money will be very small. If he goes, hope he transfers to mid major and enjoys one more year and see what happens. Leave now, don't see that.
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I'm not gonna post another screenshot (and apologies on the prior mixup of my buddy who announced he was retiring from the MLB) but someone sent me some of Duane's cryptic snap quotes from last night and it seems pretty damn certain.
"It's always business, never personal"
"I put my pride to the side and sacrificed everything just to see my brothers eat. Never complained or cried about it once. Embraced it and rolled with it chin high."
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Isn't his account Swaggy D or something? That one posted isn't even close to that.
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I'm not gonna post another screenshot (and apologies on the prior mixup of my buddy who announced he was retiring from the MLB) but someone sent me some of Duane's cryptic snap quotes from last night and it seems pretty damn certain.
"It's always business, never personal"
"I put my pride to the side and sacrificed everything just to see my brothers eat. Never complained or cried about it once. Embraced it and rolled with it chin high."
For those that missed it and did not read the first page of the thread. Attached is his post saying he will be grad transferring. Makes no sense to jump to the pro's now. He needs more exposure and playing time.
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Isn't his account Swaggy D or something? That one posted isn't even close to that.
The screengrab posted is more certainly his snapchat account.
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I don't know how someone will pay him a big paycheck. He played 15 minutes a game and averaged like 5 points. Maybe some lower level Europe team, but the money will be very small. If he goes, hope he transfers to mid major and enjoys one more year and see what happens. Leave now, don't see that.
Probably right. Wonder if UWM might be a good option?
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I love that this might all be fake and the imposter is doing it all on Snap so the majority of this board can't figure out if it's a hoax or not. This is PEAK Scoop. I'm so happy to be here. I will NEVER transfer!
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I love that this might all be fake and the imposter is doing it all on Snap so the majority of this board can't figure out if it's a hoax or not. This is PEAK Scoop. I'm so happy to be here. I will NEVER transfer!
But JJJJJ confirms thats DU's snapchat.
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Ya but it's not there now. We aren't sure he's transferring
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Link to tweet with good shot:
https://twitter.com/nolanjon/status/843922274101149697
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Snapchat, Twitter, social media stuff. Let the young ones on the board figure it out. Figured MU would have made a statement by now if the kid was leaving. Sit back and watch.
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But JJJJJ confirms that DU's snapchat.
Not saying its not impossible for someone to doctor that, but that is his username. Just seems strange he hasn't posted it on Twitter or Instagram if he's really doing it. My guess is that will come before too long.
Bummed about this one. Love Du, and thought he would have a nice role next year. But I get it from his standpoint. Realistically we can upgrade on that roster spot, but his senior leadership would have been nice to have around.
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Ya but it's not there now. We aren't sure he's transferring
Correct. Not yet confirmed. Time will tell.
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I think what bums me out the most is it feels like another step that removes us from the Marquette brand I've known and loved
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Not at all surprised if true. I'd be more surprised if it wasn't true.
I think we all wish him nothing but the best.
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I think what bums me out the most is it feels like another step that removes us from the Marquette brand I've known and loved
What does that even mean?
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I think what bums me out the most is it feels like another step that removes us from the Marquette brand I've known and loved
Yah, I mean at this point I think we just gotta embrace what we are now, which is Duke-lite. At least Wojo has a couple bangers coming in next year that should add some toughness, even though Eke probably won't play much. Not sure I'd consider Cain a banger (John certainly is), but he seems more like a Buzz guy (long, athletic, can guard multiple positions).
But I hear ya.
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Link to tweet with good shot:
https://twitter.com/nolanjon/status/843922274101149697
This is my tweet, to be clear I got this sent to me from a friend that follows Duane's Snapchat, and am by no means reporting this as fact. I was asking for verification from people that I thought would know if it was real.
That said, it looks like the screenshot sent to me was independent of the screenshot that OP posted in this thread.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/843939224441274368
Goodman confirms
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Goodman reporting it now..
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What does that even mean?
Our team is much more finesse and shooting oriented, versus tough SOBs who often won by doing the dirty work (first on the floor, first on the glass, win 90% of 50/50 balls, etc) and being more athletic than the competition, like we had under previous regimes.
I'm Ok with it at this point, but it definitely was a change. Having a team that could actually shoot the ball was super neat. Now we just need to learn defense. Losing Duane doesn't exactly help us in that department.
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Thanks Duane.
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I'm sure Matt V. is on the case as we speak.
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Our team is much more finesse and shooting oriented, versus tough SOBs who often won by doing the dirty work (first on the floor, first on the glass, win 90% of 50/50 balls, etc) and being more athletic than the competition, like we had under previous regimes.
I'm Ok with it at this point, but it definitely was a change. Having a team that could actually shoot the ball was super neat. Now we just need to learn defense. Losing Duane doesn't exactly help us in that department.
Didn't exactly help us in the shooting department, either. I appreciate what the kid gave to the program but I'm not too broken up about this one. Onward, upward.
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He will be missed. When we needed a freshman to be a leader, he was. When he was asked to take on a lesser role, he did. And whenever called on, his effort and passion was never in question. A true Warrior.
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Didn't exactly help us in the shooting department, either. I appreciate what the kid gave to the program but I'm not too broken up about this one. Onward, upward.
Agreed. Now that it is seeming more official, I want to wish Duane the very best. I hope he finds somewhere he can make a big impact. He never quite turned into the player I thought he would be, and I think his legs failing him had a lot to do with that, but was always a class act and truly cared for MU and his teammates. Wish you the best, Swaggy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9TxMYxKiEI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9TxMYxKiEI)
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Our team is much more finesse and shooting oriented, versus tough SOBs who often won by doing the dirty work (first on the floor, first on the glass, win 90% of 50/50 balls, etc) and being more athletic than the competition, like we had under previous regimes.
I'm Ok with it at this point, but it definitely was a change. Having a team that could actually shoot the ball was super neat. Now we just need to learn defense. Losing Duane doesn't exactly help us in that department.
Correct. I used to love that teams knew when they played Marquette they were in for a dogfight and we used to win games because we were tougher and hungrier. That's the brand I associate with Marquette but that's no longer what we are
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Done deal? Too bad. Good luck, Swag.
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Duane to Virginia Tech?
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Correct. I used to love that teams knew when they played Marquette they were in for a dogfight and we used to win games because we were tougher and hungrier. That's the brand I associate with Marquette but that's no longer what we are
Eh ... that's a whole lot of unfair stereotyping there, both ways.
Might as well suggest Wojo is bringing in too many traditionals.
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But JJJJJ confirms thats DU's snapchat.
I hear jjj is tired of the mind games and is gonna transfer, though.
Oops.... that was last year
and the year before.
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Duane to Virginia Tech?
How about Iowa State?
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Eh ... that's a whole lot of unfair stereotyping there, both ways.
Might as well suggest Wojo is bringing in too many traditionals.
Not really. It is the truth. The evidence we have in front of us is that they recruit very different players. Pointing that out isn't really unfair.
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How about Iowa State?
Syracuse
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Duane would do well to find himself a quality mid-major program where he'd be a virtual lock to start, but also have a good shot at another NCAA tourney. A place like Illinois State, which is losing two starting guards, would be a good fit.
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His retort to Nigel Hayes was one of the most interesting things I have ever heard from a college athlete. I actually don't mind Nigel's stance but I loved what Duane said. It can be easy / cool to have your hand out, not as easy / cool to show appreciation. He also stood up for MKE and took issue with Peter Feigin's comments about race relations in MKE.
What a good kid. Hopefully he returns to Milwaukee and gets involved. He'll make it a better place.
All the best Duane!
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Marquette announced guard Duane Wilson is transferring from the program Monday.
“We want to thank Duane for his contributions to the program and wish him the best of luck in the future,” head coach Steve Wojciechowski said in a statement. “We respect his decision to explore other opportunities and will be completely supportive throughout the process.”
Wilson redshirted during his freshman year, allowing him to transfer and play immediately as a graduate student. Wilson is the third player to transfer from the program this season, joining Sandy Cohen and Traci Carter. The transfer gives Marquette three scholarship openings for next season.
The last Marquette player on the roster recruited by Buzz Williams, Wilson took a diminished role with the Golden Eagles in his third season. Originally a volume shooter as an underclassman, Wilson played a defensive role off the bench this season. He went from playing 28 minutes per game as a freshman and sophomore to 16 a game as a junior.
Wilson scored 4.8 points per game, 1.8 rebounds and 1.6 assists per game this season.
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Not really. It is the truth. The evidence we have in front of us is that they recruit very different players. Pointing that out isn't really unfair.
Pointing out that Wojo's players are "finesse" shooters but the previous coach recruited "better athletes" who played tough are misleading stereotypes.
Why not throw in "coach's kids" and "natural" while you're at it?
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Eh ... that's a whole lot of unfair stereotyping there, both ways.
Might as well suggest Wojo is bringing in too many traditionals.
Disagree. It's fairly evident actually
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I believe I posted this sometime around the first Nova game. Sad to see him go but it was expected.
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Good luck to him for sure. He'll do great!
We'll be fine. Always sad to see someone go.
Sacar to step in.
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I'm sure Matt V. is on the case as we speak.
Yep (though he doesn't get first break) https://twitter.com/SwaggyDu1/status/843942147560759296 (https://twitter.com/SwaggyDu1/status/843942147560759296) i'm sure he's following up with some more insight.
Too bad. Duane seems like a great kid and what he did this year speaks volumes to his character. i'm sure he'll succeed wherever/whatever he does.
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Pointing out that Wojo's players are "finesse" shooters but the previous coach recruited "better athletes" who played tough are misleading stereotypes.
Why not throw in "coach's kids" and "natural" while you're at it?
You're too damn sensitive. It is what it is man - pointing it out isn't "racist" which I know is what you are getting at.
I fell in love with Marquette basketball under Buzz and the way those teams played. I still love Marquette basketball with Wojo's new style, but to say they aren't different is just silly. For me, it took some getting used to, but as I have already said, I am coming around to it, and I love Wojo's vision for the program.
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Good luck Duane. Thanks for your devotion to MU when you were there and best of luck at the new school.
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Well .. from his perspective, he leaves a team that's not gonna make a huge run next year .. he's not going to be a big part of it anyhow.
Instead, he gets to find a new school who'll give him a new experience, new line on the resume, in a new town for 9 months, free of charge.
Pretty adult decision, frankly. I'd shop myself to Hawaii or something.
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Yep (though he doesn't get first break) https://twitter.com/SwaggyDu1/status/843942147560759296 (https://twitter.com/SwaggyDu1/status/843942147560759296) i'm sure he's following up with some more insight.
Too bad. Duane seems like a great kid and what he did this year speaks volumes to his character. i'm sure he'll succeed wherever/whatever he does.
Good player but it was evident that we had to many guards. Which is why Carter left. Better for him to get 30 minutes somewhere then be a role player in his 5th year.
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Pastner and Memphis offered him a scholly in HS...Ga tech needs a Guard(s).
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So next season will be all Wojo's guys. 1 Senior, 2 Juniors, 4 Sophomores and 3 Freshman. Another "young" team. Let's hope Rowsey can be the team leader.
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So next season will be all Wojo's guys. 1 Senior, 2 Juniors, 4 Sophomores and 3 Freshman. Another "young" team. Let's hope Rowsey can be the team leader.
Pretty much no chance we don't add at least one grad transfer at this point.
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Pointing out that Wojo's players are "finesse" shooters but the previous coach recruited "better athletes" who played tough are misleading stereotypes.
Why not throw in "coach's kids" and "natural" while you're at it?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/uY0zZnQqZD8Jy/giphy.gif)
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You don't realize how much you miss them until they are gone. Wish him the best of luck and I will definitely follow and cheer him on wherever he goes
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Pretty much no chance we don't add at least one grad transfer at this point.
i think Greg Elliot will want to come here now. Since a guard just left
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i think Greg Elliot will want to come here now. Since a guard just left
I'll definitely take Elliot as you need to develop some guys, but he does very little for me for next year. 12th or 13th guy and a RS candidate.
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Duane has an opportunity to play one more year, thanks to the good judgement that Buzz played. With Marquette Fan hat on I am disappointed to see him go. He was a well respected leader of the team. I also believed his role next year was going to be big for us, given his late season emergence in our run to the tournament. His willingness to work hard on defense solidified his position .
However, I understand Duane feels he must protect his own future and explore possibilities to find a situation where he will get extended playing time. Or at least have a role similar to what he had his first two years. I just hope for his sake that he finds a situation where he is warmly welcomed and needed. Most likely a mid major. Maybe he can go over to Toledo and have a monster year the way STjr did. I don't know what the situation is like at UWM , if that was a possibility it would be fantastic,. It could be very beneficial in that he could stay in town and stay close to young Kobe.
I am delighted he will be graduating from MU and wish him all the best.
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Pastner and Memphis offered him a scholly in HS...Ga tech needs a Guard(s).
Eh? Do you think Marquette is duke? If he couldn't play at MU why would he go to GA Tech? I'm guessing GB with sandy.
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I'll definitely take Elliot as you need to develop some guys, but he does very little for me for next year. 12th or 13th guy and a RS candidate.
id take Greg, a regular transfer and then a grad transfer in a ideal situation
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Well stated MFINY.
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id take Greg, a regular transfer and then a grad transfer in a ideal situation
Mmhmm.
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I will really miss Duane - best of luck on the landing spot. Will always remember the gutty defensive performances this year and his willingness to have the ball at the end of the game with the clock running down (in prior years).
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Really bummed out by this. Swaggy was one of my favorite players as he was always a class act and always did what was best for the team.
As others have noted, he was our redshirt-freshman leader that did everything to make us competitive.
His sophomore season he took more of a backseat, being a do everything role player and scorer.
This season, there were better shooters, and instead of complaining, he became a defensive stopper and patient offensive player that took his only when they were there. He was a leader, and led the team to victory against Villanova where he was instrumental in our comeback. Without that leadership I don't think we win that game and we do not make the tournament.
He did all this while struggling through leg injuries his entire career. A fighter and true warrior.
I really believe he was the heart and soul of this team.
That said, I know he is looking out for what is best for him. Especially as his recruiting class, JJJ/Luke are leaving, he knows the team will not be the same and feels like it is time for him to move on also.
I wish him the best and look forward to rooting him on wherever he is next year. Good luck Duane and godspeed.
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You're too damn sensitive. It is what it is man - pointing it out isn't "racist" which I know is what you are getting at.
I fell in love with Marquette basketball under Buzz and the way those teams played. I still love Marquette basketball with Wojo's new style, but to say they aren't different is just silly. For me, it took some getting used to, but as I have already said, I am coming around to it, and I love Wojo's vision for the program.
I'm not being sensitive, nor do I think there's a problem with discussing varying styles of play. But styles of play, and types of people, are different things.
Using code words is unfair both ways, because it predisposes that a) the kids you're labeling as "athletes" lack basketball skills and b) the kids you're labeling as more skilled, i.e. the shooters, aren't also athletes who play hard.
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Best of lucky Swaggy Du. You represented us well and you will be missed.
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Eh? Do you think Marquette is duke? If he couldn't play at MU why would he go to GA Tech? I'm guessing GB with sandy.
Duane will go to a higher level program. GA Tech would be a nice fit. He didn't play much because we ended up having 2 of the best guards in the ncaa.
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I'm not being sensitive, nor do I think there's a problem with discussing varying styles of play. But styles of play, and types of people, are different things.
Using code words is unfair both ways, because it predisposes that a) the kids you're labeling as "athletes" lack basketball skills and b) the kids you're labeling as more skilled, i.e. the shooters, aren't also athletes who play hard.
You're way off base man. We were referring to the brand we used to play; tough, gritty, etc. We now play a brand that is based more on finesse and shooting. You're the one attaching racial generalizations to those descriptions
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Duane will go to a higher level program. GA Tech would be a nice fit. He didn't play much because we ended up having 2 of the best guards in the ncaa.
You consider the Yellow Jackets a higher level program?
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You consider the Yellow Jackets a higher level program?
Then green Bay? Yes.
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You're way off base man. We were referring to the brand we used to play; tough, gritty, etc. We now play a brand that is based more on finesse and shooting. You're the one attaching racial generalizations to those descriptions
Indeed
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This could actually be due to getting some height on the team. Four true bigs moves Sam to the perimeter, leaving Duane likely fighting with Cain, Cheatham, and Sacar for backup minutes.
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This could actually be due to getting some height on the team. Four true bigs moves Sam to the perimeter, leaving Duane likely fighting with Cain, Cheatham, and Sacar for backup minutes.
Yah, Sams days of playing anything more than spot mins at the 4 are gone, IMO. At least for sure once Froling is able to play.
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If true, that means all of Buzz's players will be gone. It also means 68 minutes per game have opened at the 2/3 positions with only Cain coming in and Anim returning. Could be a big opportunity for a grad transfer.
Or you rightfully shift Sam to the 3 w Haani, Sacar & Cain also vying for mins.. Theo, Froling eke & Matt up front possibilities
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Or you rightfully shift Sam to the 3 w Haani, Sacar & Cain also vying for mins.. Theo, Froling eke & Matt up front possibilities
Agreed. I see Sam as a #3.
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Not a surprise as this was foreshadowed this offseason here. A fresh start is the right choice.
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Marquette announced guard Duane Wilson is transferring from the program Monday.
“We want to thank Duane for his contributions to the program and wish him the best of luck in the future,” head coach Steve Wojciechowski said in a statement. “We respect his decision to explore other opportunities and will be completely supportive throughout the process.”
Wilson redshirted during his freshman year, allowing him to transfer and play immediately as a graduate student. Wilson is the third player to transfer from the program this season, joining Sandy Cohen and Traci Carter. The transfer gives Marquette three scholarship openings for next season.
The last Marquette player on the roster recruited by Buzz Williams, Wilson took a diminished role with the Golden Eagles in his third season. Originally a volume shooter as an underclassman, Wilson played a defensive role off the bench this season. He went from playing 28 minutes per game as a freshman and sophomore to 16 a game as a junior.
Wilson scored 4.8 points per game, 1.8 rebounds and 1.6 assists per game this season.
More of with Duke Puke's BS moves. The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further. That is on Wojo. Do not know what to make of this program, anymore, with many now rationalizing that Wojo will bring in somebody better. Lost several recruits when Wojo came on, lost Burton, lost Taylor, lost Cohen, now apparently Wilson, but hey Wojo finally made the dance, so everything is OK (Even though we were blown out by an inferior team and coach.)
On to next year and pray to the lord.
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This is too bad. I really like Du. Thought this season would go far more differently than it did for him. I can definitely see him at a high major and thriving in the right system. Best of luck to him.
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More of with Duke Puke's BS moves. The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further. That is on Wojo. Do not know what to make of this program, anymore, with many now rationalizing that Wojo will bring in somebody better. Lost several recruits when Wojo came on, lost Burton, lost Taylor, lost Cohen, now apparently Wilson, but hey Wojo finally made the dance, so everything is OK (Even though we were blown out by an inferior team and coach.)
On to next year and pray to the lord.
So SC/Frank Martin > Duke/Coach K?
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He will be missed. When we needed a freshman to be a leader, he was. When he was asked to take on a lesser role, he did. And whenever called on, his effort and passion was never in question. A true Warrior.
Sums up Duane in a nutshell. Glad he wore the MU uni
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/03/20/marquette-announces-duane-wilson-graduate-transfer/99429376/ (http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/03/20/marquette-announces-duane-wilson-graduate-transfer/99429376/)
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More of with Duke Puke's BS moves. The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further. That is on Wojo. Do not know what to make of this program, anymore, with many now rationalizing that Wojo will bring in somebody better. Lost several recruits when Wojo came on, lost Burton, lost Taylor, lost Cohen, now apparently Wilson, but hey Wojo finally made the dance, so everything is OK (Even though we were blown out by an inferior team and coach.)
On to next year and pray to the lord.
Incorrect. What Buzz high school really developed?
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Incorrect. What Buzz high school really developed?
I think even the most ardent or optimistic Wojo supporter would agree that the player development that we were promised during the press conference and early months has been lacking. Now maybe Duane, JJJ, Luke & Sandy weren't coachable...
Haanif regressed, Traci left.
Heldt did appear to make nice progress.
Next year will be interesting as it's all Wojo's guys and many will have 2+ summers in MKE.
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Disagree jjj from a skill stand point progressed exponentially. They also completely retooled his jump shot. Jjjs problem was always between the ears.
Duane was a volume shooter for MU in the beginning. We won 13 games? Had no offense outside of Carlino. He rarely shot a good percentage but took a ton of shots, was a poir ball handler n poorer passer.
Lets not say, with his playing greatly diminished minutes this year that the past was different than it was. Its not like some high percentage shooter n scorer just had his spot stolen. His bad shooting, poor ball handling and bad defense got passed by better players. His defense was improved this year with physical maturity and i think it became more important to him as it was the only way he was going to get or stay on the court. His offense was still very mecurial and hit abillity to finish around the rim quite poor.
My guess given his child is UWM or UWGb, could be wrong he may go farther away for the opportunity but nothing i saw this year would indicate an offer from a high major.
Super high class representitive of MU during his time here tho and am happy to hear he will be getting his MU degree.
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Incorrect. What Buzz high school really developed?
Blue, Junior, Otule. All of the Juco's. You can hate buzz, but don't shout nonsense. Anyone who didn't transfer under Buzz developed. Except for Derrick. He was always good at defense, and couldn't hit lake Michigan on offense.
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Blue, Junior, Otule. All of the Juco's. You can hate buzz, but don't shout nonsense. Anyone who didn't transfer under Buzz developed. Except for Derrick. He was always good at defense, and couldn't hit lake Michigan on offense.
Blue developed greatly. Gardner got better but was pretty much the same player. He just refined his skills, never learned new ones.
Explain to me how Junior or Otule developed? Or any other high school recruits that Buzz signed?
The JUCOS developed but we're speaking about high schoolers specifically.
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Really sucks he is leaving but it was best for him and his kid. I hope he finds a new home and excels there. He was the definition of a true warrior. Forever family
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More of with Duke Puke's BS moves. The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further. That is on Wojo. Do not know what to make of this program, anymore, with many now rationalizing that Wojo will bring in somebody better. Lost several recruits when Wojo came on, lost Burton, lost Taylor, lost Cohen, now apparently Wilson, but hey Wojo finally made the dance, so everything is OK (Even though we were blown out by an inferior team and coach.)
On to next year and pray to the lord.
Lost Cohen..........shocking we were able to even field a team after that, ai Na?
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Blue, Junior, Otule. All of the Juco's. You can hate buzz, but don't shout nonsense. Anyone who didn't transfer under Buzz developed. Except for Derrick. He was always good at defense, and couldn't hit lake Michigan on offense.
So Vander developed. Thanks for making my point.
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More of with Duke Puke's BS moves. The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further. That is on Wojo. Do not know what to make of this program, anymore, with many now rationalizing that Wojo will bring in somebody better. Lost several recruits when Wojo came on, lost Burton, lost Taylor, lost Cohen, now apparently Wilson, but hey Wojo finally made the dance, so everything is OK (Even though we were blown out by an inferior team and coach.)
On to next year and pray to the lord.
ya know, back in the day these damn kids used to watch motion pictures in the cinema with a chaperone making sure there was separation and such. now-a-days it's all netflix and something called 'chill'. dag'nabit i hate change and i won't adapt to it.
Seriously - transfers are not an MU epidemic nor were they started by MU. The players, and Wojo, are using the flexibility that the NCAA rules provide them to get the best experience they can. We should be as grateful for Duane's contributions and commitment as we are for Rowsey's (or Luke's, or Deonte's, or Katin's, or Sandy's, or Lockett's, or etc, etc,). Thinking a coach or player should be dedicated to an institution, or each other, in 2017 is archaic.
This seems like a great example where the kid gave his all and is able to further pursue his dreams.
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I think even the most ardent or optimistic Wojo supporter would agree that the player development that we were promised during the press conference and early months has been lacking. Now maybe Duane, JJJ, Luke & Sandy weren't coachable...
Haanif regressed, Traci left.
Heldt did appear to make nice progress.
Next year will be interesting as it's all Wojo's guys and many will have 2+ summers in MKE.
JJJ improved. Luke definitely improved. Haanif was better at some aspects of his game.
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I think even the most ardent or optimistic Wojo supporter would agree that the player development that we were promised during the press conference and early months has been lacking. Now maybe Duane, JJJ, Luke & Sandy weren't coachable...
Haanif regressed, Traci left.
Heldt did appear to make nice progress.
Next year will be interesting as it's all Wojo's guys and many will have 2+ summers in MKE.
Yeah, it seems somewhat of an Paradox, all these things being True, but the team has improved in both year 2 and year 3. Maybe it's that the total is more than the sum of it's part.
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Dropping this here from this summer. Scoop often gets the scoop as was the case today with this thread.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg854996#msg854996
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Dropping this here from this summer. Scoop often gets the scoop as was the case today with this thread.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg854996#msg854996
Right. I completely understand why he wants to leave and why he wants to play point guard.
But really I have seen nothing to indicate that he has that capability at this level. Wojo isn't dumb. He know what good point guards look like.
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Right. I completely understand why he wants to leave and why he wants to play point guard.
But really I have seen nothing to indicate that he has that capability at this level. Wojo isn't dumb. He know what good point guards look like.
Then how come we do not have one on this team? We just have combo guards.
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Yeah, it seems somewhat of an Paradox, all these things being True, but the team has improved in both year 2 and year 3. Maybe it's that the total is more than the sum of it's part.
The success this year seems to be as much as anything the additions of Katin, Hauser, Rowsey and Howard. It transformed us into a incredibly lethal 3 point shooting team. Wojo deserves every accolade for adding 4 of the best 3 point shooters in the country. When you stop and think about it, it truly is amazing.
IMO the only returning player who we saw significant improvement was Heldt. All other progress (IMO) was routine college development like we saw under Kevin, Mike, Tom & Buzz. Much was made about player development when this regime was brought in, and to me, that's an area where I have not seen the promise fulfilled.
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Right. I completely understand why he wants to leave and why he wants to play point guard.
But really I have seen nothing to indicate that he has that capability at this level. Wojo isn't dumb. He know what good point guards look like.
He was the leading Big East freshman scorer, under Wojo. Traci was the closest to a pure point guard Wojo recruited so far, including when he signed Nick. Wojo had the Haani experiment last year at PG, which failed. Markus and Andrew are combos, which is what Wojo prefers. I think the jury is still out as this is a hole.
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Then how come we do not have one on this team? We just have combo guards.
We had one that would have had playing time if he stuck around.
And honestly I think the idea of a "pure point guard" (which usually means a guard who can't score) is overrated. Combo guards who can handle the ball are just fine. (Bronson Koenig for example.) And regardless, Duane wasn't a "pure point guard" either.
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He was the leading Big East freshman scorer, under Wojo. Traci was the closest to a pure point guard Wojo recruited so far, including when he signed Nick. Wojo had the Haani experiment last year at PG, which failed. Markus and Andrew are combos, which is what Wojo prefers. I think the jury is still out as this is a hole.
He wasn't playing point guard as a freshman.
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He's going to UWM---- Todd Townsend coaches for them.
That or he's going over seas to make money for the family.
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He wasn't playing point guard as a freshman.
I misread. I thought your assertion was about playing at this level, but it was about playing PG at this level.
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Dropping this here from this summer. Scoop often gets the scoop as was the case today with this thread.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg854996#msg854996
I was going to give the shout out to Freeport, because I thought he was the one to guess this was coming. Nice job.
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I was going to give the shout out to Freeport, because I thought he was the one to guess this was coming. Nice job.
He did.
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Anyone else find it a little inconsiderate on Duane's part to announce this on Topper's birthday?
I mean, it couldn't wait one day? Show some class, dude.
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I'm fine with it for all parties. Like Duane and he was definitely embracing the 'team first' attitude, but more so by default. Any player that goes from one of the key guys as an underclassman to a frequent bench warmer will want to play somewhere as a true starter and big minutes. He just was not in Wojo's plan. I think he's simply eaving for a new opportunity too. As (hilltopper, I think) said, he is making an adult decision to get a change of scenery and get playing time. Good luck Duane. Liked your fire and passion for MU. But I am fine with embracing change as well.
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From Matt's article:
1) Wants more pkaying time and wants to play PG (was not going to happen at MU)
2) Says didn't really think about it until after the game Sat
3) Wants to play pro and knows needs to showcase his talent
4) Doing it for his son and points out they don't live in MKE, as we all thought, so being away is not an issue. The mother and his son live in Illinois and they have a friendly relationship.
Think not living with his son made made it easier. But even Matt was blindsided by the announcement.
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Duane will go to a higher level program. GA Tech would be a nice fit. He didn't play much because we ended up having 2 of the best guards in the ncaa.
Not really. Neither of our guards made even the BE HM list.
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Yah, Sams days of playing anything more than spot mins at the 4 are gone, IMO. At least for sure once Froling is able to play.
We'll see about that. If Sam develops what we saw at the end of the season (one or 2 step pull up mid range and catching it in the post, facing up, and shooting over the defender), he'll create some big time nightmares for opponents at the 4 while having already been through a year of defending the 4 in the BE. I'll believe Froling will play the 4 when I see it.
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Nice announcement by Duane. He handled his time at MU like you would hope every student athlete would. Worked hard, had a great attitude, contributed to the team and graduated.
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More of with Duke Puke's BS moves. The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further. That is on Wojo. Do not know what to make of this program, anymore, with many now rationalizing that Wojo will bring in somebody better. Lost several recruits when Wojo came on, lost Burton, lost Taylor, lost Cohen, now apparently Wilson, but hey Wojo finally made the dance, so everything is OK (Even though we were blown out by an inferior team and coach.)
On to next year and pray to the lord.
The same team that smoked up Duke is an inferior team and coach? LOL! Stay hot Mazos Burgers!
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Then how come we do not have one on this team? We just have combo guards.
Because combo guards at the 1 is how you win basketball games these days.
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Duane will go to a higher level program. GA Tech would be a nice fit. He didn't play much because we ended up having 2 of the best guards in the ncaa.
And those individuals are.....?
We didn't have one of the three or four best backcourts in the conference. Hell, maybe not even in the top half.
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Man, this news took the air out of my sails more than any MU news I can remember, but easy to see how this was the right decision for Duane. I'm looking forward to cracking back on the Superbar police next season in Duane update threads. Couldn't have asked any more from the guy and I really hope he finds an opportunity that helps springboard him to getting paid to play. The program will be worse off without him, but that's ultimately a compliment to Duane. Thanks for everything and godspeed.
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The same team that smoked up Duke is an inferior team and coach? LOL! Stay hot Mazos Burgers!
Sorry pal
Most on this board believe mu and Wojo are superior to Martin and sc.
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Sorry pal
Most on this board believe mu and Wojo are superior to Martin and sc.
MU yes.
Wojo not yet.
Martin has had success in the NCAAs 8-4, and was Big 12 coach of the year.
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Duane,
Congratulations on your upcoming graduation. Really enjoyed your tenure at MU and wish you great luck finding a good fit for your game for next year so you get the right exposure that will lead to a few years of professional hoops. Great to see your class and style even as you leave the program.
Sincerely,
WarriorFan
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Sorry pal
Most on this board believe mu and Wojo are superior to Martin and sc.
I haven't seen anyone saying that. I have seen people say Martin is an a$$hole but that doesn't mean they think he can't coach.
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The guy had an awesome freshman year, and never developed further.
I think it speaks more to the talent level of the team that Wojo inherited than it does Duane. The way that Duane unselfishly played his role the last two years is a huge credit to him.
But one of the reasons Duane put up such big numbers his freshman year was that, well, Carlino couldn't take every shot. Likewise, the reason Duane's numbers declined in each of the last two years was primarily because Wojo keep adding more and higher level talent each year.
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Duane will go to a higher level program. GA Tech would be a nice fit. He didn't play much because we ended up having 2 of the best guards in the ncaa.
Duane is not going to a higher level program if he expects to play the majority of his minutes at point guard.
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1) I wish Duane the best at his new school and with the remainder of his basketball career. He was a very underappreciated player at Marquette, both with his play on the court and with his ability to accept the different roles that he was given throughout his 3 active years.
2) Stress fractures are a tough injury and I always got the impression that Duane was never fully healthy at MU. Watch some of his HS highlights sometime. The explosiveness on display was just not the same as it was during his time at MU. He showed flashes off it but he was more like an aging NBA vet who recognized that he only had so many "explosions" in his legs on a given night.
3) Duane calling out Nigel Hayes' "broke athlete" attention grab was a thing of beauty.
4) I'm looking forward to seeing him put up big numbers at a smaller school and having Scoopers complain about Wojo "forcing him out" and Duane being what this team needs! ;)
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1) I wish Duane the best at his new school and with the remainder of his basketball career. He was a very underappreciated player at Marquette, both with his play on the court and with his ability to accept the different roles that he was given throughout his 3 active years.
2) Stress fractures are a tough injury and I always got the impression that Duane was never fully healthy at MU. Watch some of his HS highlights sometime. The explosiveness on display was just not the same as it was during his time at MU. He showed flashes off it but he was more like an aging NBA vet who recognized that he only had so many "explosions" in his legs on a given night.
3) Duane calling out Nigel Hayes' "broke athlete" attention grab was a thing of beauty.
4) I'm looking forward to seeing him put up big numbers at a smaller school and having Scoopers complain about Wojo "forcing him out" and Duane being what this team needs! ;)
+1
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1) I wish Duane the best at his new school and with the remainder of his basketball career. He was a very underappreciated player at Marquette, both with his play on the court and with his ability to accept the different roles that he was given throughout his 3 active years.
2) Stress fractures are a tough injury and I always got the impression that Duane was never fully healthy at MU. Watch some of his HS highlights sometime. The explosiveness on display was just not the same as it was during his time at MU. He showed flashes off it but he was more like an aging NBA vet who recognized that he only had so many "explosions" in his legs on a given night.
3) Duane calling out Nigel Hayes' "broke athlete" attention grab was a thing of beauty.
4) I'm looking forward to seeing him put up big numbers at a smaller school and having Scoopers complain about Wojo "forcing him out" and Duane being what this team needs! ;)
Yep.
Seriously though regarding his hops. I posted a video a few pages back, but he was an above the rim played in the HS. I can't remember more than a couple dunks he had in college. Obviously dunking over 6 foot HS Sconnies is a bit easier than high major players, but its clear that the legs he had in HS were never there with MU.
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Yep.
Seriously though regarding his hops. I posted a video a few pages back, but he was an above the rim played in the HS. I can't remember more than a couple dunks he had in college. Obviously dunking over 6 foot HS Sconnies is a bit easier than high major players, but its clear that the legs he had in HS were never there with MU.
Yeah, a shame, cuz a player with a frame like Duane's needs supreme quickness/explosion to be a plus player at the high D1 level if he doesn't have Howard/Rowsey type shooting ability. Duane used to have it, just doesn't anymore at the same level. Even a split second slower makes all the difference. A slight step down (high mid major) and he could be a very high impact player with his experience. Hope it works out for him, he did us proud in his time at MU.
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I get the impression that Wilson will be welcome around the MU program for years to come.
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I get the impression that Wilson will be welcome around the MU program for years to come.
Why not? He will be an MU graduate and was in the program all 4 years. He is just moving on after graduation.
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I get the impression that Wilson will be welcome around the MU program for years to come.
Hope he's on call whenever we need a swag injection
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I think even the most ardent or optimistic Wojo supporter would agree that the player development that we were promised during the press conference and early months has been lacking. Now maybe Duane, JJJ, Luke & Sandy weren't coachable...
Haanif regressed, Traci left.
Heldt did appear to make nice progress.
Next year will be interesting as it's all Wojo's guys and many will have 2+ summers in MKE.
JJJ developed quite a bit the past three years under Wojo. His player efficiency rating went from 12.7 to 20.6 this year, and his eFG from .409 to .531.
Heldt obviously improved, and even Rowsey's advanced stats are up pretty much across the board compared to his time at UNC-Asheville.
So, some guys got better, some didn't, some left.
Or, in other words, like every other team in the country.
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I get the impression that Wilson will be welcome around the MU program for years to come.
I'd love to see him as Dir. of Basketball Operations in a few years, if the pro route doesn't end up being productive for him. Hopefully, though, he can go overseas and make some dough.
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What about a spot at a place like Bradley for Duane? Seems like the right level where he could make an impact.
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Nothing but a class act that did everything that was asked of him. Glad to have him represent the ranks of Marquette alumni.
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What about a spot at a place like Bradley for Duane? Seems like the right level where he could make an impact.
Agreed. Duane's best served by going to a quality MAC/MVC program where he'd have a chance to play significant minutes and perhaps get back into the postseason. I previously mentioned Illinois State, which is a strong mid-major that's close to his family and losing both its starting guards to graduation.
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I wonder if U of I would be an option for Duane. Graduated their PG, new coach probably looking to plug some gaps. Keeps him in the midwest.
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I'd love to see him as Dir. of Basketball Operations in a few years, if the pro route doesn't end up being productive for him. Hopefully, though, he can go overseas and make some dough.
Agreed, I hope he goes overseas and squeezes every last dollar out of his playing ability then comes back and finds a role within the program.
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Probably fit write inta da noon pik up games, hey?
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Agreed, I hope he goes overseas and squeezes every last dollar out of his playing ability then comes back and finds a role within the program.
I'd love to see him back with the program in the future
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Agreed. Duane's best served by going to a quality MAC/MVC program where he'd have a chance to play significant minutes and perhaps get back into the postseason. I previously mentioned Illinois State, which is a strong mid-major that's close to his family and losing both its starting guards to graduation.
They would also have a high chance at making the tourney next year if he would go to Illinois state.
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3) Duane calling out Nigel Hayes' "broke athlete" attention grab was a thing of beauty.
Praising Wilson for his tweet under these circumstances is a real stretch.
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I was going to give the shout out to Freeport, because I thought he was the one to guess this was coming. Nice job.
So this should officially put an end to us getting Milwaukee city high school kids for a while (it probably doesn't matter anyway at this point because Wojo has done well nationally in general). Duane exited the proper, PR 101 way, and that is good for both parties. But don't be fooled. They are not happy, they just got used to the situation and made the best of it. Kudos to Duane for his maturity and best of luck to him. But Duane and his dad (Ike) aren't going to be writing any letters of recommendation for us. They are pissed. Burton is pissed. McKay is pissed. Ellensons. Cohens. All guys coached/influenced by Ike at some point.
I saw a curious tweet from NY2LA yesterday about mentioning Duane as 3rd guy to leave (then named them) plus Wally. But no surprise, NY2LA gets a lot of dough from Wisconsin Playground Elite, and Ike is their leader. Owner of NY2LA is a big influence on local/regional kids and I've noticed he has been passive/aggressive toward MU for the last few years.
Like I stated at outset, don't know if it really matters, but thought I would share.
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So are they pissed at Wojo or Marquette in general? I ask because you included McKay in there, and McKay left long before Wojo got here.
Are they pissed because they felt that somehow Wojo was devious? Used not how they wanted to be used?
In your opinion is this more perception or reality? Which doesn't matter from their point of view of course.
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Just curious, why are all of these people pissed?
Duane: better players got PT. Was he supposed to be guaranteed something?
Burton: recent article said his mother passing made it weird for him to play at BC. Wojo also had a different playing style than he was recruited to. So he left to find a better fit. Why would he be pissed at MU?
McKay: left before Wojo got here, and tweaked because he maybe had to play center, and didn't start the midnight madness scrimmage. He left to find a situation where he wouldn't have to play center, and ended up playing.... center. Why would he be pissed at MU?
Cohen: not good enough to get PT after other better players were brought in. He left to find what he thought would be a better situation where he could get PT, which ended up being a mid-major. Why would he be pissed at MU?
Ellensons: Henry was a one & done. Got tons of shots & PT, ended up in the 1st round of the NBA draft. Success. Wally got cut. I guess they'd be pissed about that, but he could have grad transferred, he just wasn't good enough to do so.
Any other reason all these people are "pissed?"
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Ellensons and Cohens arent Milwaukee either. I get the connection you mention due to AAU, but would this extend to farther than Milwaukee kids, or only if they are Playground Elite? Obviously thinking of Hauser, but he plays with Barnstormers.
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So this should officially put an end to us getting Milwaukee city high school kids for a while (it probably doesn't matter anyway at this point because Wojo has done well nationally in general). Duane exited the proper, PR 101 way, and that is good for both parties. But don't be fooled. They are not happy, they just got used to the situation and made the best of it. Kudos to Duane for his maturity and best of luck to him. But Duane and his dad (Ike) aren't going to be writing any letters of recommendation for us. They are pissed. Burton is pissed. McKay is pissed. Ellensons. Cohens. All guys coached/influenced by Ike at some point.
I saw a curious tweet from NY2LA yesterday about mentioning Duane as 3rd guy to leave (then named them) plus Wally. But no surprise, NY2LA gets a lot of dough from Wisconsin Playground Elite, and Ike is their leader. Owner of NY2LA is a big influence on local/regional kids and I've noticed he has been passive/aggressive toward MU for the last few years.
Like I stated at outset, don't know if it really matters, but thought I would share.
I like all of those guys, but in the case of Duane, and Cohen, and Wally...maybe they should be better at basketball.
And in the case of Burton and McKay, not think they are 3s, and transfer only to play in the front court anyway.
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So this should officially put an end to us getting Milwaukee city high school kids for a while (it probably doesn't matter anyway at this point because Wojo has done well nationally in general). Duane exited the proper, PR 101 way, and that is good for both parties. But don't be fooled. They are not happy, they just got used to the situation and made the best of it. Kudos to Duane for his maturity and best of luck to him. But Duane and his dad (Ike) aren't going to be writing any letters of recommendation for us. They are pissed. Burton is pissed. McKay is pissed. Ellensons. Cohens. All guys coached/influenced by Ike at some point.
I saw a curious tweet from NY2LA yesterday about mentioning Duane as 3rd guy to leave (then named them) plus Wally. But no surprise, NY2LA gets a lot of dough from Wisconsin Playground Elite, and Ike is their leader. Owner of NY2LA is a big influence on local/regional kids and I've noticed he has been passive/aggressive toward MU for the last few years.
Like I stated at outset, don't know if it really matters, but thought I would share.
What Milwaukee city high school kids was Marquette getting before Wojo? Who was out there that would have helped MU anyway? Te'Jon Lucas? There just haven't been a lot of high profile recruits from Milwaukee lately.
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What Milwaukee city high school kids was Marquette getting before Wojo? Who was out there that would have helped MU anyway? Te'Jon Lucas? There just haven't been a lot of high profile recruits from Milwaukee lately.
Terrence Lewis and Jordan Poole come to mind. Both are top 100ish kids from Milwaukee who went to Iowa State and Michigan respectively.
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Terrence Lewis and Jordan Poole come to mind. Both are top 100ish kids from Milwaukee who went to Iowa State and Michigan respectively.
Good points. I guess I was looking back, not forward.
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Ike's influence is not just MPS. Schools like Dominican plus rising power Martin Luther are in his web too. Plus many others.
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Terrence Lewis and Jordan Poole come to mind. Both are top 100ish kids from Milwaukee who went to Iowa State and Michigan respectively.
And NEVER gave MU a thought because of this turning tide.
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Ike's influence is not just MPS. Schools like Dominican plus rising power Martin Luther are in his web too. Plus many others.
This explains our inability to land Kostas
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So are they pissed at Wojo or Marquette in general? I ask because you included McKay in there, and McKay left long before Wojo got here.
Are they pissed because they felt that somehow Wojo was devious? Used not how they wanted to be used?
In your opinion is this more perception or reality? Which doesn't matter from their point of view of course.
Reality. I think bad fit on most if not all, but when we "messed with" Duane, we went at the king's son. Having a bad experience with one guy, say McKay or Burton, in itself would be seen as normal (I know McKay was not a Wojo guy but he is a city kid who left MU). But there are bad experiences with ALL of Ike's guys recently. My general point is that the city doesn't have much love for the MU brand right now, or in the immediate future.
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This explains our inability to land Kostas
I don't know if this is a joke or not, but the idea is correct. I personally didn't think Kostas was a high major guy, but he may prove me wrong eventually. But even if Wojo did, Kostas is definitely an Ike guy and that would not bode well.
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This explains our inability to land Kostas
Which several years from now is going to be something we regret.
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And NEVER gave MU a thought because of this turning tide.
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What Milwaukee city high school kids was Marquette getting before Wojo? Who was out there that would have helped MU anyway? Te'Jon Lucas? There just haven't been a lot of high profile recruits from Milwaukee lately.
I know someone answered Lewis and Poole, which is def true. But the funny story with Lucas is that he is not an Ike guy even though he is a city guy. He is a Milwaukee Spartan guy -- and guess who else is a Spartan guy -- Matt Heldt. They are long-time buds and before Howard and Rowsey, I could have seen him in an MU uni. He is small though.
Lewis and Poole are '17 guys we had no shot on, but Ike has made a huge power play on the '18 class and has almost all of the top guys not named Hauser. Herro, Curtis, Plumb, Trapp, Justice, Foster Jr., etc.
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Reality. I think bad fit on most if not all, but when we "messed with" Duane, we went at the king's son. Having a bad experience with one guy, say McKay or Burton, in itself would be seen as normal (I know McKay was not a Wojo guy but he is a city kid who left MU). But there are bad experiences with ALL of Ike's guys recently. My general point is that the city doesn't have much love for the MU brand right now, or in the immediate future.
Got it.
But I meant do you think that Duane was really "messed with?" Was he mislead about his opportunities within the program? Or was this a case where a player didn't really fit what Wojo wanted to do and this is just fall out from that?
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You got me.
Once the Duane train went off the rails, he was never going to Marquette. PR move. I'm trying to tell you what's going on underneath. Thought I would come outside today, but I am clearly more comfortable in the under board.
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Sounds like a lot of collateral damage from Buzz leaving. Whatever, Marquette will be fine with or without Milwaukee kids. In some ways, it's better to not have the local handlers and posses trying to influence Wojo.
Cain is as good or better than Lewis. Elliott is comparable to Poile, albeit with a different skill set. Hopefully Wojo can land him. Not sure how good the upcoming Milwaukee area kids are. But this is not that big of a deal to me. Wojo's recruiting fine both regionally and nationally.
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Got it.
But I meant do you think that Duane was really "messed with?" Was he mislead about his opportunities within the program? Or was this a case where a player didn't really fit what Wojo wanted to do and this is just fall out from that?
No, I don't think he was messed with at all. I just think it is the nature of the beast. I think he is a good player, but not as good as he or his dad thinks he is. I think he received a totally fair shake, as do most people I know.
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No, I don't think he was messed with at all. I just think it is the nature of the beast. I think he is a good player, but not as good as he or his dad thinks he is. I think he received a totally fair shake, as do most people I know.
Really appreciate the insight. Was going to ask your feelings on Diener after watching the tournament, even if he was committed to DePaul.
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A lot of us at GB are hoping he makes his way north. In a way, it makes a ton of sense. We lost a ton of guards this year, already snagged another MU transfer, are close to home, and have an opportunity to make it back to the dance. Playing time is ample and he fits the system.
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A lot of us at GB are hoping he makes his way north. In a way, it makes a ton of sense. We lost a ton of guards this year, already snagged another MU transfer, are close to home, and have an opportunity to make it back to the dance. Playing time is ample and he fits the system.
Is Trevor Anderson going to be good or is he simply too inexperienced?
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I haven't seen anyone saying that. I have seen people say Martin is an a$$hole but that doesn't mean they think he can't coach.
C'mon man. Virtually everybody on this board believes our program is superior to sc
Probably less about Martin compared to wojo. Point being, wojo got his ass smoked by a lesser program.
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I've said this before, and I still stick with it.
I am 100% fine with not recruiting MKE. These kids have people pumping them up from junior high, and are never satisfied with how they're used. Since they're local, it's even louder.
Who was the last MPS product to finish four years at MU? Buycks was here for two. Terry Sanders?
Give me a team of guys like Sam and Markus any day. Don't need all the noise.
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C'mon man. Virtually everybody on this board believes our program is superior to sc
Probably less about Martin compared to wojo. Point being, wojo got his ass smoked by a lesser program.
So did Duke and coach K. Martin is a very good coach, but just an a$$hole with players, was already suspended once by SC. Left KS because star players were going to leave,and yes MU is a superior program than SC. Lesser programs beat superior programs in NCAA that's what makes March Madness so much fun or as some would say a crapshoot
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Really appreciate the insight. Was going to ask your feelings on Diener after watching the tournament, even if he was committed to DePaul.
I've watched Deiner since very young and always thought he was second tier in his class. Watching him a couple times this year and last week in state tourney, I think he is legit. Most improved kid in state hands down. Has always been a good shooter, but he has the whole package now. He will be limited by average athleticism, but he gives it all. And I love that he is emotionless for the most part, unlike Herro, who is a crazy trash talker. I am telling you we will love to hate him when he is a Badger. I personally like the kid, but once he puts on that uni, it's over. Deiner played a lot of tennis growing up and you can see it in his footwork. Reminds me of a taller Lachance now -- both have a lot of tools in their kit -- pump-fakes, double pump fakes, scoring from all spots on floor, etc. I never thought he was a true D1 but he certainly looks the part now.
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Is Trevor Anderson going to be good or is he simply too inexperienced?
Yeah he will be good. He was our leading minutes guy until he got hurt for the last 10 games or so. We still graduated 3 guards who took up a lot of playing time so there are minutes to be had.
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C'mon man. Virtually everybody on this board believes our program is superior to sc
Probably less about Martin compared to wojo. Point being, wojo got his ass smoked by a lesser program.
What does the quality of a program have to do with the quality of the team this year? Who cares if the program is below MU, the team wasn't.
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I know someone answered Lewis and Poole, which is def true. But the funny story with Lucas is that he is not an Ike guy even though he is a city guy. He is a Milwaukee Spartan guy -- and guess who else is a Spartan guy -- Matt Heldt. They are long-time buds and before Howard and Rowsey, I could have seen him in an MU uni. He is small though.
Lewis and Poole are '17 guys we had no shot on, but Ike has made a huge power play on the '18 class and has almost all of the top guys not named Hauser. Herro, Curtis, Plumb, Trapp, Justice, Foster Jr., etc.
Will they get invited back to the EYBL? Did they get dropped because they couldn't field a competitive team or not enough pro-potential?
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MPS playas no matta, hey?
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Reality. I think bad fit on most if not all, but when we "messed with" Duane, we went at the king's son. Having a bad experience with one guy, say McKay or Burton, in itself would be seen as normal (I know McKay was not a Wojo guy but he is a city kid who left MU). But there are bad experiences with ALL of Ike's guys recently. My general point is that the city doesn't have much love for the MU brand right now, or in the immediate future.
May be Ike's da won wit da problem, ai na?
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MKE, PHI and CHI dried up. MINNE and DET opened up. Can Wojo afford to be shut out close to home?
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Will they get invited back to the EYBL? Did they get dropped because they couldn't field a competitive team or not enough pro-potential?
I thought they were dead in the water, then Ike pulled a real coup a few months ago. First he got Herro to leave McCabe and Playground Warriors, then the 4 best guys on that team followed, including Trapp, the 7' 2" center from MN (MU recruit I believe - not a fan, i.e. Rod Gross). Then he got Carlos Curtis of Riverside to leave United and they tried to get Keontae White of MKE Hamilton (I think he committed initially, but has since rescinded). Then he kept the best 3 or 4 of players on the existing Playground Elite team including Greg Foster's kid. They also added DTA's best player, 6' 8" Bilal Shabbaz from Pius. They have too many guys in my opinion, but headlined by Herro, they will be decent. And because of the stars on this team, they are in the EYBL. I fully expect this team to blow up at some point like they all do because of egos and PT, lol.
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May be Ike's da won wit da problem, ai na?
Wouldn't disagree. Normally, a kid not getting the time he and his dad think he deserves just accepts it or transfers and it's over. This ain't that.
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May be Ike's da won wit da problem, ai na?
Is this English?
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The Ike thing seems to be something completely out of our control. Presumably, Wojo set the lineups and minutes according to how he believed the team could best win games. He may have been right, he may have been wrong, but what this proves is that Wojo is an independent guy - not influenced by players' parents or HS coaches. I'm sorry Duane's dad didn't think he was treated fairly, but to my view Wojo ran a merit-based system. It's unfortunate that Ike cannot see that his son was not as talented as others on the team and instead has decided to proclaim that Duane was "screwed over," and thus has decided to poison the minds of young basketball players who look to him for advice on their future playing careers. I think Wojo can develop a much wider recruiting base - maybe even national - and if Marquette performs, pretty soon young players will no longer listen to Ike. Overall, I would say that Ike raised a son with exceptional character. Holding grudges is pretty petty in the grand scheme of things.
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The Ike thing seems to be something completely out of our control. Presumably, Wojo set the lineups and minutes according to how he believed the team could best win games. He may have been right, he may have been wrong, but what this proves is that Wojo is an independent guy - not influenced by players' parents or HS coaches. I'm sorry Duane's dad didn't think he was treated fairly, but to my view Wojo ran a merit-based system. It's unfortunate that Ike cannot see that his son was not as talented as others on the team and instead has decided to proclaim that Duane was "screwed over," and thus has decided to poison the minds of young basketball players who look to him for advice on their future playing careers. I think Wojo can develop a much wider recruiting base - maybe even national - and if Marquette performs, pretty soon young players will no longer listen to Ike. Overall, I would say that Ike raised a son with exceptional character. Holding grudges is pretty petty in the grand scheme of things.
This. Coaches at programs have so many things to worry about. While keeping all pipelines and avenues open is ideal, someone is going to be mad about playing time or how a kid is being used.
It's a shame it comes to this, but sadly, it happens in a lot of places.
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Well, it's a good thing Tim Maymon doesn't run an AAU program.
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I thought they were dead in the water, then Ike pulled a real coup a few months ago. First he got Herro to leave McCabe and Playground Warriors, then the 4 best guys on that team followed, including Trapp, the 7' 2" center from MN (MU recruit I believe - not a fan, i.e. Rod Gross). Then he got Carlos Curtis of Riverside to leave United and they tried to get Keontae White of MKE Hamilton (I think he committed initially, but has since rescinded). Then he kept the best 3 or 4 of players on the existing Playground Elite team including Greg Foster's kid. They also added DTA's best player, 6' 8" Bilal Shabbaz from Pius. They have too many guys in my opinion, but headlined by Herro, they will be decent. And because of the stars on this team, they are in the EYBL. I fully expect this team to blow up at some point like they all do because of egos and PT, lol.
My friend is on the 16u team and he said Mccabe is still on Playground warriors but Nobal Days from Racine Park? is playing with them
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The Ike thing seems to be something completely out of our control. Presumably, Wojo set the lineups and minutes according to how he believed the team could best win games. He may have been right, he may have been wrong, but what this proves is that Wojo is an independent guy - not influenced by players' parents or HS coaches. I'm sorry Duane's dad didn't think he was treated fairly, but to my view Wojo ran a merit-based system. It's unfortunate that Ike cannot see that his son was not as talented as others on the team and instead has decided to proclaim that Duane was "screwed over," and thus has decided to poison the minds of young basketball players who look to him for advice on their future playing careers. I think Wojo can develop a much wider recruiting base - maybe even national - and if Marquette performs, pretty soon young players will no longer listen to Ike. Overall, I would say that Ike raised a son with exceptional character. Holding grudges is pretty petty in the grand scheme of things.
Nonsense! Holding a grudge against a coach that isn't the initial guy you recruited to and ignoring the fact that you simply aren't as talented as the younger guys makes perfect sense!
More seriously I wonder what was going through Ike's head when his son was actually getting aggressive late in the season and kept finishing short or getting blocked. Think it was a moment of reality or does he still live in his own little world
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Is it really that unfathomable that a parent thinks his kid should be getting more playing time and is looking to better his options? Good for Duane. He stuck it out for 4 years, worked hard, never publicly put anybody down, and earned the right to explore his options. Congratulations on getting your degree from Marquette and best of luck in the last year of your college basketball career.
Whether Ike is bashing MU or not really isn't a huge deal, nor is it important. My guess is Wojo was only overly interested in Herro out of that group, and I'm *fairly* confident that the reason he chose Wisconsin wasn't because Ike told him to go screw Wojo over and go to UW.
Good luck Duane. You will be missed.
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Because combo guards at the 1 is how you win basketball games these days.
Examples please?
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I am appreciative of his four years, hard work, and accepting his role with class. He earned his degree in four years. He would like to transfer for better opportunities. Good for him. Hopefully he will get half way to a Master.
I am looking forward to following his development as a point guard. Is this a huge loss? Absolutely not. I don't think we should be upset that Wojo is recruiting players that are better then the existing players. Hell, I will take that every single damn time. If you throw out Howard, Rowsey, and Duane and tell me to pick two then I'm picking the snipers. If you throw out Reinhardt, Hauser, and Cohen and say pick two then the choice is obvious!
Good luck Duane on your next stop!
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My friend is on the 16u team and he said Mccabe is still on Playground warriors but Nobal Days from Racine Park? is playing with them
Days still has Playground Elite on his twitter and I had heard he is playing up on this EYBL team too. Forgot to mention. May have changed but his brother played for PE too. McCabe is Playground Warriors and a lot of people confuse the two teams.
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Days still has Playground Elite on his twitter and I had heard he is playing up on this EYBL team too. Forgot to mention. May have changed but his brother played for PE too. McCabe is Playground Warriors and a lot of people confuse the two teams.
Nobal goes to Park right? I just wanted to make sure i was right.
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Nobal goes to Park right? I just wanted to make sure i was right.
Yes. I wish he was at St Cats, but admin here wasn't willing to roll out the red carpet for the older brother, so both went to public school.
FWIW the big AAU program here in Racine is Butler Elite, but aside from Caron's son JC I don't know if there's any big name recruits in that group.
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What about a spot at a place like Bradley for Duane? Seems like the right level where he could make an impact.
He could be a star there....provided Wardle doesn't make him crap himself
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C'mon man. Virtually everybody on this board believes our program is superior to sc
Probably less about Martin compared to wojo. Point being, wojo got his ass smoked by a lesser program.
SC is a lesser program. They had a better team this season. It happens. Color me unfazed.
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Examples please?
See Curry, Steph.
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SC is a lesser program. They had a better team this season. It happens. Color me unfazed.
Grating beat quite a bit the last 4 years by better and lesser teams. Color me unfazed also. Just sayin and wonderin.
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Grating beat quite a bit the last 4 years by better and lesser teams. Color me unfazed also. Just sayin and wonderin.
Mazos, go Tweet about it.
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SC is a lesser program. They had a better team this season. It happens. Color me unfazed.
Historically this is true, but it may not be going forward.
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Historically this is true, but it may not be going forward.
Certainly possible. But keep in mind that while we just ended a three year postseason drought, they just ended a 13 year postseason drought. They also lose their starting backcourt to graduation, including their 21 point per game scorer. So my guess is that their program won't be catching ours anytime soon.
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Historically this is true, but it may not be going forward.
I would bet money that SC will not be a better basketball program over the next 10-15 years than Marquette.
They may have a run or two where they are better but MU is far more committed to basketball success than South Carolina over the long-term. If Frank Martin becomes the second coming of Coach Cal (at Memphis), I guarantee he is coaching somewhere else for more money shortly after said success.
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Yes. I wish he was at St Cats, but admin here wasn't willing to roll out the red carpet for the older brother, so both went to public school.
FWIW the big AAU program here in Racine is Butler Elite, but aside from Caron's son JC I don't know if there's any big name recruits in that group.
That was who Days was playing with before, Butler Elite. They also have Nobal's hs running mate, Larry Canady a 6' 2" guard from Park. He is a top 10 kid for his class in the state.
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Marquis Milton Soph. guard Racine Horlick may have been the best player in the Southeast Conference this past season
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Historically this is true, but it may not be going forward.
Right it may not. And the earth is going to be enveloped by the sun someday.
Why let this kind of stuff worry you? You are certainly correct that Frank Martin may build South Carolina into a national power. How does this impact Marquette?
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No, I don't think he was messed with at all. I just think it is the nature of the beast. I think he is a good player, but not as good as he or his dad thinks he is. I think he received a totally fair shake, as do most people I know.
When you've got a kid to support and you see getting to the next level as your best shot to do that, that can skew your perception of how fairly you're being treated.
Moving on to somewhere else should let the truth - whatever that is - become evident to everyone.
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Historically this is true, but it may not be going forward.
I'll take that bet. How much?
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Presumably, Wojo set the lineups and minutes according to how he believed the team could best win games. He may have been right, he may have been wrong, but what this proves is that Wojo is an independent guy - not influenced by players' parents or HS coaches. I'm sorry Duane's dad didn't think he was treated fairly, but to my view Wojo ran a merit-based system.
When Freeport raised this initially, the opinion I expressed was that I thought Wojo gave Duane more than a fair amount of run the year before, based his production on both ends of the court...in essence, I thought he may have been walking a tight rope between trying to put the best line-up on the court and appeasing Duane's dad in order to keep the pipeline open. Maybe, maybe not, but it was a possible reason that Duane probably played more minutes than his performance dictated.
However, once Howard and Rowsey hit the court, there was no rational way to both maximize the chance to win games and give Duane the starring role and the 35mpg his dad seems to think he should have. Given the choice between trying to win games and losing the pipeline due to someone else's incorrect perceptions, Wojo obviously made the right call.
Again, this in no way diminishes the unselfish way Duane went about his business. We simply had better and/or healthier options on the court.
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What does the quality of a program have to do with the quality of the team this year? Who cares if the program is below MU, the team wasn't.
What I care about is that the program is now to the point that Wojo gets his ass smoked/oucoached/beat to the tune of 12-14 times a year--not acceptable, and not a good trend.
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What I care about is that the program is now to the point that Wojo gets his ass smoked/oucoached/beat to the tune of 12-14 times a year--not acceptable, and not a good trend.
Go Tweet about it Mazos.
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Marquis Milton Soph. guard Racine Horlick may have been the best player in the Southeast Conference this past season
Marquise may have more potential, but Ozier(?) was pretty good with Racine Case. Scoring over 30 a game and being named All-State.
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Is this English?
He speaks a foreign tongue.
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Go Tweet about it Mazos.
Sorry, don't have a twitter account, and I am not Mazo's. But you continue to believe that, just like your belief that 13 losses a season is the stuff that dreams are made of.
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Sorry, don't have a twitter account, and I am not Mazo's. But you continue to believe that, just like your belief that 13 losses a season is the stuff that dreams are made of.
Liar!!!
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What I care about is that the program is now to the point that Wojo gets his ass smoked/oucoached/beat to the tune of 12-14 times a year--not acceptable, and not a good trend.
How bout you become head coach
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How bout you become head coach
Dude, willie is Scoop's version of the old man who drinks coffee every morning at McDonalds and complains about everything.
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Dude, willie is Scoop's version of the old man who drinks coffee every morning at McDonalds and complains about everything.
And then, hyped up on caffeine, powerwalks through Southridge before everything opens. After breaking a sweat, he gets on the 55 bus, demands that the busdriver give him an evenly-ripped transfer, and heads back home to log on to Scoop.
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How bout you become head coach
Yup, when you can't argue the facts like 12 14 losses per year, start with the smart ass comments. Don't want the gig, does wojo? Let us know when the upswing begins, like his stellar defensive techniques. If you are swooning over the performance, fine. Some would like to see better results.
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Dude, willie is Scoop's version of the old man who drinks coffee every morning at McDonalds and complains about everything.
Same comment to you, sultan.
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Yup, when you can't argue the facts like 12 14 losses per year, start with the smart ass comments. Don't want the gig, does wojo? Let us know when the upswing begins, like his stellar defensive techniques. If you are swooning over the performance, fine. Some would like to see better results.
What exactly is your take here? Are you part of the "we shouldn't have had to rebuild" crowd the "it's not turning around fast enough" crowd or are you just complaining to complain? In this limited of a sample size you can't really say it's become anything. We made the tournament, that's your indication of an upswing. Balance the roster more (which he hasn't had time to do yet) and you'll get your less losses.
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What exactly is your take here? Are you part of the "we shouldn't have had to rebuild crowd" the "it's not turning around fast enough crowd" or are you just complaining to complain? In this limited of a sample size you can't really say it's become anything. We made the tournament, that's your indication of an upswing. Balance the roster more (which he hasn't had time to do yet) and you'll get your less losses.
Yeah, it's really telling when the Body of work is ignored, and they grind their teeth on one item.
I always wondered where the Honesty is, and just say I don't support Wojo and here are the reasons why: yada, yada,yada
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What exactly is your take here? Are you part of the "we shouldn't have had to rebuild" crowd the "it's not turning around fast enough" crowd or are you just complaining to complain? In this limited of a sample size you can't really say it's become anything. We made the tournament, that's your indication of an upswing. Balance the roster more (which he hasn't had time to do yet) and you'll get your less losses.
Seems more like the "why are you kids on my lawn?" crowd.
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Liar!!!
Yep strange because they say the same things
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They're clearly in the same McDonald's kaffee klatsch