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Title: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 17, 2017, 11:34:10 PM
Time to step up, kid. We need you next year. You are the difference between us being a contender and an also ran. Junior year is time to make some noise.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jaygall31 on March 17, 2017, 11:37:17 PM
I have no idea what happened to him his year and no idea if we will ever see Frosh Hani again.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 17, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
I have no idea what happened to him his year and no idea if we will ever see Frosh Hani again.
He just needs to put in hard work this summer
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 17, 2017, 11:39:44 PM
Secret injury?  In his own head?  We may never know.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 17, 2017, 11:40:44 PM
Secret injury?  In his own head?  We may never know.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it was just all in his head, just needs to get his confidence back up
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Goose on March 17, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
HE leaving is what happened.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jaygall31 on March 17, 2017, 11:46:14 PM
Wonder if Transferring is on his mind.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 17, 2017, 11:47:35 PM
Wonder if Transferring is on his mind.
If he transfers he would be going to a school worse than MU
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 17, 2017, 11:48:40 PM
Why would he transfer? No elite program would have him at this point and no one is blocking his PT. He just needs to get back in the right head space and become the plate this team will need next year.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jaygall31 on March 17, 2017, 11:48:55 PM
I understand that. Perhaps he simply is not good enough?
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 17, 2017, 11:50:25 PM
I understand that. Perhaps he simply is not good enough?
Thats what the off season is for, getting better
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: skianth16 on March 17, 2017, 11:50:46 PM
He just needs to put in hard work this summer

Out of curiosity, what do you think he was up to for the last 9 months?

His issues are not effort related. The kid works hard. How effort seems to be there. His ability, or maybe his mental state, seem to be the problem, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: muwarrior97 on March 17, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
Wonder if Transferring is on his mind.

He very well may, Florida (aka home) is quite a bit warmer and might find a lower-level school to transfer too and play right away OR he may stay, put the work in and make us eat some crow burgers

Go get it done kid!
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 17, 2017, 11:51:21 PM
I understand that. Perhaps he simply is not good enough?

His freshman year says otherwise
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 17, 2017, 11:52:17 PM
Right hand. Mid-rage pop. Rainbow.

A lot to learn, and work on. 

My fear is that he can't progress.

Have a great summer, Haani. Work your ass off!
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jaygall31 on March 17, 2017, 11:56:00 PM
His freshman year says otherwise

And this season? Lost on offense and defense? I love the kid, but jeez.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: amen426 on March 17, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
I'd really like to see a "back to the basket" type game, like Alando Tucker.

A lot of his trouble came with indecision while driving. Got caught in the air a lot.

If he can run the baseline in our offense, and post up guys the way Tucker did, he could find a nice role offensively.

But first and foremost, he needs to be the heart of our defense. Every game, he should be defending guys like Thornwell, and locking them down.

I think he'll have a nice bounce back next season.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jaygall31 on March 17, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Agree. Needs more strength to be like Tucker. And his defense needs a LOT of work, like everyone else on our team.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: skianth16 on March 18, 2017, 12:03:34 AM
I think his biggest problem was just nerves or lack of confidence. Teams guarded him like a big, knowing he wouldn't take an open jumper or even use the space to drive. His confidence and aggression were on empty for all of conference play, maybe longer.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 18, 2017, 12:05:10 AM
I think his biggest problem was just nerves or lack of confidence. Teams guarded him like a big, knowing he wouldn't take an open jumper or even use the space to drive. His confidence and aggression were on empty for all of conference play, maybe longer.
Exactly
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 18, 2017, 12:16:28 AM
Cheatham has to figure out a way to either play with or compliment Rowsey & Howard, I think that's his issue. He has to define what his game is, because the talent is there, kid can play. MU doesn't need him taking 3's, if he can drive/distribute and improve on the defensive end, that's where he'd serve MU best.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: CTWarrior on March 18, 2017, 12:27:22 AM
Cheatham has to figure out a way to either play with or compliment Rowsey & Howard, I think that's his issue. He has to define what his game is, because the talent is there, kid can play. MU doesn't need him taking 3's, if he can drive/distribute and improve on the defensive end, that's where he'd serve MU best.

Cheatham just needs to take a million pull-up jumpers this offseason.  That's where his success will be in the future.  Get pretty good at the pull-up, and you can make shots or dish to dunkers or 3 point bombers when challenged.  And work on that right hand.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: skianth16 on March 18, 2017, 12:31:14 AM
Cheatham has to figure out a way to either play with or compliment Rowsey & Howard, I think that's his issue. He has to define what his game is, because the talent is there, kid can play. MU doesn't need him taking 3's, if he can drive/distribute and improve on the defensive end, that's where he'd serve MU best.

I kind of wonder if it was the competition with those guys that set him back, though. When some new guys come in and take your playing time, that can rattle a guy. Seems possible here.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 18, 2017, 12:32:57 AM
Cheatham just needs to take a million pull-up jumpers this offseason.  That's where his success will be in the future.  Get pretty good at the pull-up, and you can make shots or dish to dunkers or 3 point bombers when challenged.  And work on that right hand.

Yup, agree with all this. It'll help the entire offense tremendously if he can, opens things up. I don't think any players development this offseason is as important as his.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: skianth16 on March 18, 2017, 12:38:21 AM
Yup, agree with all this. It'll help the entire offense tremendously if he can, opens things up. I don't think any players development this offseason is as important as his.

I like the kid, but I think he's an afterthought next year. His defense is good enough, but it's easily replaceable. His floor presence is simply not a positive right now.

I don't think he's a starter next year. I don't even know that I see him as the first option off the bench. I hope he can be the 15-16 version of himself, but I just don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: LAZER on March 18, 2017, 12:45:22 AM
I like the kid, but I think he's an afterthought next year. His defense is good enough, but it's easily replaceable. His floor presence is simply not a positive right now.

I don't think he's a starter next year. I don't even know that I see him as the first option off the bench. I hope he can be the 15-16 version of himself, but I just don't see that happening.
I have to agree and it sucks because I thought his ceiling was ridiculously high after last year.

IMO he has too many gaps in his game right now and he's looking like a role player...which is fine...having veteran role players is a great asset and I hope he sticks around.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2017, 03:20:21 AM
Needs to realize that he is Trent Lockett, not Jerel McNeal. Embrace the role and he will flourish IMHO.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: UticaBusBarn on March 18, 2017, 07:02:37 AM

It was mentioned above and it may be heart of his problem. Haanif never, ever uses his right hand. Even when driving to the basket from the right he would dribble and shoot with his left hand.

I would guess the scouting report was out on him so when he drove to the hoop he was overplayed to his left. Therefore, Haanif was blocked from going to the basket and often had his passing angles (all from his left) cut off.

Since he has no pull up jumper he had no way to counter the defensive over playing his left hand.

Thought the course of the season his confidence eroded. Things just got worse.

Again, it has already been stated above, he needs to use his right hand and develop a pull up jumper. In short, he has a lot of work to do this summer.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: We R Final Four on March 18, 2017, 08:57:50 AM
I do not think HC's table is set......I think the kids table maybe more his style.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2017, 11:31:43 AM
Haani will be back.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: chapman on March 18, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
Probably the biggest frustration this season; many thought he was going to take his place as a star, yet he fell to the very bottom of the rotation.  Going to take a heck of a job from the coaches and even more from Haanif to repair his game and make him stronger.  Maybe Drake can stop by and give him swag again. 
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Class71 on March 18, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
I understand that. Perhaps he simply is not good enough?

He is good enough. Just needs a few adjustments, use both hands better, take 100 shots a day and get into the weight room. All can be accomplished this summer.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 12:18:15 PM
HE leaving is what happened.

Exactly right. HE sucked up all the double teams and defensive focus. No one was keying on Cheatham, which lessened the blow that his only moves were pulling up at the arc or driving to his left.

He didn't get worse, he just didn't get better enough.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TrevorCandelino on March 18, 2017, 12:26:05 PM
You guys are nuts.
Hanni is plenty talented. 
Has 2-3 things he needs to focus on this off season to address the fact that he has now been well scouted. 
Do those things - and with his work ethic, he will - and Hanni will be a very important piece of the team next year.
Fans have become so short term focused in this day and age.
In a stable program, players are supposed to grow and progress and improve over four years.  Hanni will. 
Looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: tower912 on March 18, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
I believe in Haanif.  If he does the work, I think he is a linchpin next year. 
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: ecompt on March 18, 2017, 12:43:15 PM
He is willing to do the work, I think everyone knows that. But if Wojo gets Elliot or a transfer 2G, Haanif will likely stay near the bottom of the rotation. 
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 18, 2017, 12:44:51 PM
I'd really like to see a "back to the basket" type game, like Alando Tucker.

A lot of his trouble came with indecision while driving. Got caught in the air a lot.

If he can run the baseline in our offense, and post up guys the way Tucker did, he could find a nice role offensively.

But first and foremost, he needs to be the heart of our defense. Every game, he should be defending guys like Thornwell, and locking them down.

I think he'll have a nice bounce back next season.

I agree.  The way I think about it, he needs to expand what he can do.   He came to MU as a freshman able to do some nice things.  He hurt some teams and they spent time figuring out how to stop his bread and butter stuff.  Expanding his game, giving himself more options will make him dangerous again.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 18, 2017, 12:48:36 PM
He is willing to do the work, I think everyone knows that. But if Wojo gets Elliot or a transfer 2G, Haanif will likely stay near the bottom of the rotation.

Isn't Wojo on record wanting Elliot or whoever gets that scholarship to be a perimiter redshirt candidate?
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: onepost on March 18, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
He's gotta tie his left arm behind his back and do everything righty all summer.  Everything.  The fact that that wasn't addressed/stressed at all between his frosh and sophomore seasons is a huge indictment on him/Wojo.

IMO, all of his problems stem from his inability to use his right hand at all, coupled with his unchanging tendencies that teams picked up on immediately.
Not that he doesn't have more to work on but simply keeping teams honest with his right will do him wonders next season, it's really that simple.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 01:34:34 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: tower912 on March 18, 2017, 01:36:25 PM
Go get some, young man.  Stay positive.  Work hard.  Love it.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2017, 01:38:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/

Love it. Go get it, HC! Prove all the haters wrong. I know you can do it!
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: bilsu on March 18, 2017, 01:41:08 PM
Wonder if Transferring is on his mind.
That is what I believe will happen. Wojo dropping him from the starting line up is what makes me think this. It is also why I believe Duane Wilson is returning.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Skitch on March 18, 2017, 01:42:40 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/

That is awesome to see. Very self aware young man. Hope to see him succeed next year.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
That is what I believe will happen. Wojo dropping him from the starting line up is what makes me think this. It is also why I believe Duane Wilson is returning.

Me thinks your wrong. HC does too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/)
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 18, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/

Love this. He's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: bilsu on March 18, 2017, 01:53:19 PM
I hope I am wrong. He also may end up being a mid-season transfer like Carter and Cohen. I think Hauser starts at three and who knows how good Cain is. You also have Wilson recently starting over him and Anim. There is plenty of competition at the three. He started the first 50 (?) games of his career and I just do not see him staying if he is not going to be a key player. He could have a great summer and work himself back into a key spot, but all the other players will also be working on to improve.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: shoothoops on March 18, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
Would like to see Haanif stronger on the ball, quicker with his decision making. Overthinks. Has to shoot with confidence, especially if miss first shot or two. Has length and skill set to be better.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
I hope I am wrong. He also may end up being a mid-season transfer like Carter and Cohen. I think Hauser starts at three and who knows how good Cain is. You also have Wilson recently starting over him and Anim. There is plenty of competition at the three. He started the first 50 (?) games of his career and I just do not see him staying if he is not going to be a key player. He could have a great summer and work himself back into a key spot, but all the other players will also be working on to improve.

I recommend you reread that instagram post and stop pretending like you know what youre talking about.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jsglow on March 18, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/

Love it.  They'll unlock Kasten for you tomorrow at 6a.  Bet Markus will be glad to join you and force you right about 1000 times in a row.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRygouThrG8/

LOVE it.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GB Warrior on March 18, 2017, 02:29:41 PM

He's an end of the bench option. Until he develops a jump shot, he shouldn't see the court except when there's extreme foul trouble.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: skianth16 on March 18, 2017, 02:34:46 PM
I like the attitude of the instagram post,  but I think there's just too much competition for him to get significant minutes next year.

On one hand, it could help make everyone, including Chatham, better, or it could keep him in this mental funk. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but we'll need to see a big change next year for him to get meaningful minutes.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: NotAnAlum on March 18, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
I think there's just too much competition for him to get significant minutes next year.

Completely disagree.  We lose 2 guys that play his natural position "big guard".   The only new guy at that position is Sacar.  Cain is more a 3-4 competing with Sam.  And on top of all that the team needs experience and leadership.  I believe the ability of Haanif to return to his prior form is more important than anyone coming in next year.  It will determine how good this team is
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Herman Cain on March 18, 2017, 03:07:59 PM
Haani will be fine. He just needs to become more of a distributor . If he does that he will get more space to drive and shoot. Haani became way too predictable, as he just took it to the hoop every time he got the ball, with zero intention to pass. Teams collapsed on him and the shots became much tougher to make. He is a hard worker on defense so he will have an important role next season. Glad he is part of the program.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: AlienWarrior on March 18, 2017, 04:23:28 PM
Cheatham needs to come back 'cause nobody else can defend on this team. Hope the newbies help. From what I saw on rivals, the new class is average at best
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: ecompt on March 18, 2017, 04:27:01 PM
Cheatham needs to come back 'cause nobody else can defend on this team. Hope the newbies help. From what I saw on rivals, the new class is average at best

If the new class is only average at best, Wojo will be out of here before that class graduates. But I don't believe the rivals ratings.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Jay Bee on March 18, 2017, 04:32:31 PM
His freshman year says otherwise

FWIW...

Soph vs. Frosh year: Improved ORtg (106.7 vs. 101.1); OR% and DR% improved from 1.6 & 10.8 to 3.4 & 14.5; turnover rate reduced from 24.4 to 18.5.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Nukem2 on March 18, 2017, 04:37:02 PM
FWIW...

Soph vs. Frosh year: Improved ORtg (106.7 vs. 101.1); OR% and DR% improved from 1.6 & 10.8 to 3.4 & 14.5; turnover rate reduced from 24.4 to 18.5.
Whatever the numbers, even Haani himself notes in an Instagram today that he had a sophomore slump.  Last night he had a line of goose eggs in 7 minutes of action.  The numbers are skewed by pre-conference play.  Hopefully, he will right his ship this upcoming season.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 18, 2017, 04:43:15 PM
Just needs to regain confidence
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Jay Bee on March 18, 2017, 04:44:43 PM
Whatever the numbers, even Haani himself notes in an Instagram today that he had a sophomore slump.  Last night he had a line of goose eggs in 7 minutes of action.  The numbers are skewed by pre-conference play.  Hopefully, he will right his ship this upcoming season.

My point is more that he wasn't all that great as a freshman... I think fans got ahead of themselves a bit.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 18, 2017, 04:45:36 PM
Y'all really give a chit? Step up or sit, hey?
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: franklinjerry on March 18, 2017, 05:17:55 PM
Out of curiosity, what do you think he was up to for the last 9 months?

His issues are not effort related. The kid works hard. How effort seems to be there. His ability, or maybe his mental state, seem to be the problem, unfortunately.

Couldn't agree more. What did he work on this past offseason? What did he work on since his collapse in December?

HC seems like a wonderful young man. I grinned all last season thinking about his four years in the program. No reason to think he's not working hard.

He may be relegated to a minimum minute role player. If JJJ or Katin were playing the 2/3 ahead of him, HC is not comparable to either as a slasher or outside shooter.

He needs a great deal of improvement to be better than the 11th or 12th guy next season. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: tower912 on March 18, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
Wojo referred to what he inherited when he came to MU as 'rebooting' the program.    HC needs a mental reboot.   
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: ecompt on March 18, 2017, 08:48:54 PM
FWIW...

Soph vs. Frosh year: Improved ORtg (106.7 vs. 101.1); OR% and DR% improved from 1.6 & 10.8 to 3.4 & 14.5; turnover rate reduced from 24.4 to 18.5.

Shows you can do anything you want with stats. By the end of the year he was Sandy Cohen III in a smaller body.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 18, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
Hey, I just thought of a great idea.  Why don't we delete this stupid thread of mostly 20, 30 40 and 50 something adults critiquing (rather harshly) a 19 year-old kid publicly.  I understand devoting maybe a line of criticism in a post to a player, but to have a thread of over 60 posts devoted to this is embarrassing.  If you are one of the people who posted in this dumpster fire of trash you need to re-evaluate your priorities in life.  if I was a recruit who visited this page to see how the Marquette community treated its' student-athletes I would think twice before committing here.  grow up.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2017, 09:45:22 PM
Kips, your reading comprehension needs help.  I'd bet you haven't even read most of the posts.  A couple kitten-kickers here, but the majority support Haanif, and are hoping he has a great year next year.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: naginiF on March 18, 2017, 09:50:11 PM
I like the attitude of the instagram post,  but I think there's just too much competition for him to get significant minutes next year.

On one hand, it could help make everyone, including Chatham, better, or it could keep him in this mental funk. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but we'll need to see a big change next year for him to get meaningful minutes.
FWIW I got married in Chatham and, if you've ever been there you know, it can't get much better.

But enough about Cape Cod, Haanif seems like a quality young man who is driven to push his talents as far as he can.  I hope his dedication pays off for him and MU.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 18, 2017, 10:10:08 PM
Hey, I just thought of a great idea.  Why don't we delete this stupid thread of mostly 20, 30 40 and 50 something adults critiquing (rather harshly) a 19 year-old kid publicly.  I understand devoting maybe a line of criticism in a post to a player, but to have a thread of over 60 posts devoted to this is embarrassing.  If you are one of the people who posted in this dumpster fire of trash you need to re-evaluate your priorities in life.  if I was a recruit who visited this page to see how the Marquette community treated its' student-athletes I would think twice before committing here.  grow up.
95% of what everyone is saying is good..no one is really saying anything bad
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Nukem2 on March 18, 2017, 10:17:33 PM
My point is more that he wasn't all that great as a freshman... I think fans got ahead of themselves a bit.
Not what you posted.  You said his numbers were better.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: WarriorFan on March 18, 2017, 10:24:07 PM
I think he's got a good future ahead of him.  This is a test for MU player development but they must all see it and be working on it.  IMHO he needs to be our 3rd PG, but used more as a "big" distributor so Howard and Rowsey can play off the ball part of the time.  I see him 10mpg at the point, and another 8-10 at the 3.
Assuming of course he develops his right and a couple more offensive threats.
His D is excellent.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 18, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
I think he's got a good future ahead of him.  This is a test for MU player development but they must all see it and be working on it.  IMHO he needs to be our 3rd PG, but used more as a "big" distributor so Howard and Rowsey can play off the ball part of the time.  I see him 10mpg at the point, and another 8-10 at the 3.
Assuming of course he develops his right and a couple more offensive threats.
His D is excellent.
More importantly, does he have a good neck?
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 18, 2017, 10:40:00 PM
95% of what everyone is saying is good..no one is really saying anything bad

Re-read the first page of posts.  95% of that is not good.  I stand by my original post.  Three pages of speculation on one player in particular, including whether he is "good enough" or is thinking of "transferring" is not supportive.  Nor is a bunch of adults telling him he needs to put in "hard work", the implication being that he wasn't working hard to start with.

The first line of the first post is "time to step up, kid."  If someone said that to your son (if you have one) in your presence you'd knock his lights out.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
Not what you posted.  You said his numbers were better.

They are better. But it was because many overvalued his stats last year
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Nukem2 on March 18, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
They are better. But it was because many overvalued his stats last year
that was my point.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2017, 11:37:31 PM
that was my point.

I'm pretty sure that was Jay Bee's point too. So you guys must agree!
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: NotAnAlum on March 19, 2017, 08:06:03 AM
Soph vs. Frosh year: Improved ORtg (106.7 vs. 101.1); OR% and DR% improved from 1.6 & 10.8 to 3.4 & 14.5; turnover rate reduced from 24.4 to 18.5.

I'm wondering if this stat which appears to show Haanif hasn't been worse offensively this year is a little misleading.  During his slump Haanif hasn't had that many negative plays but he hasn't done anything to score or create scoring opportunities.  Because MU is so good at scoring this year doesn't he get the benefit of that in his ORtg just by being on the court?  From the eye test that seems like what is going on.  Last year on the other hand since he was the team's second option he had to create much more of the scoring but in doing so had more negative plays.  What we need is for the offensive/defensive Hannif of last year to return without the negative plays.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 19, 2017, 10:20:54 AM
I'm wondering if this stat which appears to show Haanif hasn't been worse offensively this year is a little misleading.  During his slump Haanif hasn't had that many negative plays but he hasn't done anything to score or create scoring opportunities.  Because MU is so good at scoring this year doesn't he get the benefit of that in his ORtg just by being on the court?  From the eye test that seems like what is going on.  Last year on the other hand since he was the team's second option he had to create much more of the scoring but in doing so had more negative plays.  What we need is for the offensive/defensive Hannif of last year to return without the negative plays.

Your Ortg doesn't get boosted just by being on the court. People may not believe it, but Haanif was more of a positive on the court this year than his freshman year. There were just a lot better offensive options on the floor this year so by comparison he looks a lot worse. Increased efficiency doesn't always equal better raw numbers. I would also its fair to say that Haanif had very good numbers in some games but not so good against tougher competition.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 19, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
On the season, Cheatham improved, but pretending he didn't slump is simply inaccurate. His conference offensive rating was better last year than this. His conference turnover rate was identical. His 2PFG%, 3PFG%, and eFG% were all down.

Looking at Pomeroy, he really fell off after Villanova. 7 of 10 games with an ORtg below 100 (2 non-qualifiers). 23 of his 51 turnovers came in those 12 games despite watching his minutes and opportunities reduced.

Haanif did very well in the non-conference. So well that his numbers on the whole are better than last year despite a sharp downturn in conference play. But his slump and diminished offensive play was very real.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 19, 2017, 11:31:55 AM
Re-read the first page of posts.  95% of that is not good.  I stand by my original post.  Three pages of speculation on one player in particular, including whether he is "good enough" or is thinking of "transferring" is not supportive.  Nor is a bunch of adults telling him he needs to put in "hard work", the implication being that he wasn't working hard to start with.

The first line of the first post is "time to step up, kid."  If someone said that to your son (if you have one) in your presence you'd knock his lights out.

Yikes. Leaving no doubt as to why coaches are fleeing youth sports at a rapid rate.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: naginiF on March 19, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
Yikes. Leaving no doubt as to why coaches are fleeing youth sports at a rapid rate.
My kids get "time to step up" or "you're better than that, you need to show me next time" all the time, not from their parent coached teams but from the teams with paid coaches (8yr old boys baseball and 10yr old boys basketball, btw).  And quite honestly, it's supported by the parents because it's said when the kid isn't doing his best.

My vibe from the board is the VAST majority of posters want Haanif to be the best he can be.  Are some jerks?  Sure, but that's not what anyone should take from the thread.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2017, 12:25:37 PM
Yikes. Leaving no doubt as to why coaches are fleeing youth sports at a rapid rate.
I've coached >25 youth teams in multiple sports.  When I have had the type of player who has the ability and mental acumen to handle it, I have told them at crucial moments that it was time for them to lead.     When I have had a player who exhibited leadership abilities, I have encouraged them to use it in a positive fashion and bring up their teammates.    One thing I have noted over the years is that most teams take on the personality of the best 1-2 players.    If they are pouters and whiners, the vibe of the team goes silent when they start acting out.     When the best players are also good teammates, the team is laughing and singing and handles adversity and the inevitable losses much better.   
So, I am patient with Haanif.   Players go through slumps and lose confidence.   Sometimes they break out during the season, sometimes it takes the offseason to build it back up.    I have confidence that he will play better next year.   
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 19, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
My kids get "time to step up" or "you're better than that, you need to show me next time" all the time, not from their parent coached teams but from the teams with paid coaches (8yr old boys baseball and 10yr old boys basketball, btw).  And quite honestly, it's supported by the parents because it's said when the kid isn't doing his best.

My vibe from the board is the VAST majority of posters want Haanif to be the best he can be.  Are some jerks?  Sure, but that's not what anyone should take from the thread.

Your town has paid coaches for 8 year olds boy's baseball? Yet another sign of the apocalypse.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2017, 12:31:29 PM
Lots of places have paid coaches for 8 year olds.   I'm not one of them. 
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: keefe on March 19, 2017, 12:57:28 PM
I think his biggest problem was just nerves or lack of confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/v/YrtS2_TfbeY
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Jay Bee on March 19, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
Not what you posted.  You said his numbers were better.

No. I listed stats for BOTH YEARS. If you think when I posted that he had a 101 ORtg and terrible 24% turnover rate as a freshman that I wasn't indicating his freshman year numbers weren't that great, that's on you.

Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 19, 2017, 01:19:34 PM
He'll be back and better next season. He's committed to getting better
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on March 19, 2017, 01:42:36 PM
I hope I am wrong. He also may end up being a mid-season transfer like Carter and Cohen. I think Hauser starts at three and who knows how good Cain is. You also have Wilson recently starting over him and Anim. There is plenty of competition at the three. He started the first 50 (?) games of his career and I just do not see him staying if he is not going to be a key player. He could have a great summer and work himself back into a key spot, but all the other players will also be working on to improve.

Agree.  It's sad but the parade of talent has passed HC.  N
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 19, 2017, 03:06:16 PM
Yikes. Leaving no doubt as to why coaches are fleeing youth sports at a rapid rate.
That's the thing.  You're not a coach.  You are some guy on a message board.  If Wojo says this to him it comes with the territory.  If some fan/alumnist were to walk up to him on the sidewalk and say "you need to step up, kid" would that be appropriate?
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: jaygall31 on March 19, 2017, 04:31:28 PM
Maybe I missed it...but what were his minute averages FR vs. SOPH year?
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 19, 2017, 07:17:27 PM
That's the thing.  You're not a coach.  You are some guy on a message board.  If Wojo says this to him it comes with the territory.  If some fan/alumnist were to walk up to him on the sidewalk and say "you need to step up, kid" would that be appropriate?

Yes.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Nukem2 on March 19, 2017, 07:20:29 PM
Maybe I missed it...but what were his minute averages FR vs. SOPH year?
its more about the comparison of BE season to BE season, which is when his slump occurred.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 19, 2017, 08:26:20 PM
Yes.

No, not really.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 19, 2017, 10:42:53 PM
Tracking my interest level in this post...  :P


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Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Herman Cain on March 19, 2017, 11:10:31 PM
No, not really.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 19, 2017, 11:20:38 PM
There is a difference between stating that a player needs to elevate his game and belittling or insulting him.  Glad our players are tougher than some of the snowflakes on this board.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: MU82 on March 19, 2017, 11:40:14 PM
I've coached >25 youth teams in multiple sports.  When I have had the type of player who has the ability and mental acumen to handle it, I have told them at crucial moments that it was time for them to lead.     When I have had a player who exhibited leadership abilities, I have encouraged them to use it in a positive fashion and bring up their teammates.    One thing I have noted over the years is that most teams take on the personality of the best 1-2 players.    If they are pouters and whiners, the vibe of the team goes silent when they start acting out.     When the best players are also good teammates, the team is laughing and singing and handles adversity and the inevitable losses much better.   
So, I am patient with Haanif.   Players go through slumps and lose confidence.   Sometimes they break out during the season, sometimes it takes the offseason to build it back up.    I have confidence that he will play better next year.

Great post, tower.

I just completed my 4th season as a middle-school basketball coach. At the end of each season, I write an evaluation and improvement plan for each player. The first section is "Strengths," the second is "Needs Work" and the third is the "Improvement Plan."

At our season-ending party, before I hand them out, I tell the girls that they know I am an honest guy and I encourage them to accept the "Needs Work" section in the manner intended. I remind them it would do them no good at all if I just told them how wonderful they are and that nothing needs improvement at all. I am extremely blunt - not mean-spirited in the least, but very blunt.

The response to these has been incredible. After this season, three different players sent me emails thanking me for my honesty and promising to work on what I suggested. Similar reactions in previous seasons, including many supportive notes from parents. You should see the tribute video that the 8th-graders made for me at the end of this season - made me blush with embarrassment because it was so nice, and made me shed many tears because it was so touching.

Kids want to be guided and they want constructive criticism, as long as it is meted out with the right intentions and presented in a kind way.

Now, as for this thread, I do not see anything wrong with at least 95% of what's been said in it. And I'll say here what I've said before: If a player is somehow threatened by the rather benign and mostly obvious observations in a thread like this, he isn't tough enough to play D1 basketball.

I don't think that last sentence describes Haani at all. I think he will come back next season after having improved a ton and will make important contributions to a team that will exceed this year's accomplishments.

I was VERY impressed by his Instagram post. Showed a lot of maturity and determination.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: MUMountin on March 20, 2017, 04:55:52 PM
Haanif's role just got a lot bigger for next year with Duane's departure.  The opportunity is there for him if he rights the ship this summer. 
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 20, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Haanif's role just got a lot bigger for next year with Duane's departure.  The opportunity is there for him if he rights the ship this summer.

Hopefully with his right hand!
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: NickelDimer on March 21, 2017, 04:06:35 PM
Nvm
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on March 21, 2017, 10:06:04 PM
Wonder if HC will be here.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 21, 2017, 10:07:51 PM
Wonder if HC will be here.
Do you mean on the team? He isn't transferring now. There is no reason for him to transfer now his role has now gotten larger and he will get more minutes even if we add a recruit and/or a grad transfer/transfer
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 23, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
Become ambidextrous and hit the mid-range J baby!!  Positioned for rebounds or dish it back out to doogie or rousey he's got the work ethic. Go forth and execute
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: B. McBannerson on March 23, 2017, 07:03:23 PM
Wonder if HC will be here.

After DW departure, he would be crazy to do so.  Must work on right hand all Spring and Summer.  Needs confidence. Can be a major contributor next year if he puts his mind to it.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 23, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
Your town has paid coaches for 8 year olds boy's baseball? Yet another sign of the apocalypse.
Lenny, kids sports these days are unbelievably competitive, and as such it has also become a money grab of travel/select teams as young as 6.

In high school I played four sports (no, I couldn't dunk); today is virtually impossible for all but the most exceptional athletes to play more than one, because kids are dedicated to their one sport about 48 weeks per year.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: manny31 on March 23, 2017, 07:20:55 PM
Lenny, kids sports these days are unbelievably competitive, and as such it has also become a money grab of travel/select teams as young as 6.

In high school I played four sports (no, I couldn't dunk); today is virtually impossible for all but the most exceptional athletes to play more than one, because kids are dedicated to their one sport about 48 weeks per year.

Money grab for sure. In my community the travel teams went from just a few kids being able to make the team to there are 4 or 5 "levels" of travel teams....I think kids are starting to realize it is just a money grab, parents too but they are a little slower. Kids get burnt out as well, focusing on a single sport when they are  or 10 is a pretty good recipe for either burn out.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: tower912 on March 23, 2017, 09:00:37 PM
Which is why I won't let my 10 year old do it.  We play travel ball through his little league, bit I won't let him do the year round specialization thing, even though I have been approached multiple times by the year round coaches.  He played 40 games last year.  Plenty.  Baseball, golf, basketball, just spent 2 months for ninja warrior training.   If he tells me he wants to focus on one, we will discuss it.  Until then, lots of sports.
Title: Re: Haanif... Your Table is Ready.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 23, 2017, 10:14:43 PM
Which is why I won't let my 10 year old do it.  We play travel ball through his little league, bit I won't let him do the year round specialization thing, even though I have been approached multiple times by the year round coaches.  He played 40 games last year.  Plenty.  Baseball, golf, basketball, just spent 2 months for ninja warrior training.   If he tells me he wants to focus on one, we will discuss it.  Until then, lots of sports.
Baseball/Softball seems to me to be the one it is easiest to burn out on.  Not only do they play a very high number of games, the tournament weekends are hellish--two and sometimes three 16-18 hour days, where you could be playing 3-4 games/day.  Ughh. 

We just came back from Spring Break in Vegas where my daughter played with her select team in the Player's Showcase.  There were 64 teams in her bracket, and there we six brackets...for ONE age group. Multiple that by 4 age groups x 18-20 players per team x $3,000+ per player and you can see the money grab it has become.

Funnily enough, my wife and I stopped at a gas station to fill up after dropping my daughter off for warm-ups and she strikes up a conversation with a dude at the next pump wearing an MU shirt.  Turns out he is the MU Woman's soccer coach.  I figured we have a full ride guaranteed!